Under pressure everything gets fluid.

I will never recommend suicide for reasons I have learned from the book "The Cycle of the Soul".
However there are situations in which death is inescapable and suicide could prevent unnecessary suffering.

The scenarios Focus27 scetched in his reply on Aug 5th 2012 in reply #15 could be for me legitimate reasons to commit suicide.
This kind of suicide is not meant for self interest but for the protection of other people.

The Universe is based on three basic principles: Motherhood, Fatherhood and Rebirth.
Protection of other people is a kind of Motherhood. It is a kind of love that shows as light in the spheres of light.
So that kind of suicide is more an act of sacrifice then to alleviate their own pain.

This is a kind of exceptional situation and has not been discussed in the books of Jozef Rulof that I have read. I haven't read all of them. Especially most of the 57 lectures are still on my list.

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If I were in a terminal condition like from cancer I think I would still refuse suicide or euthanasia.
The point is that I would still remain attached to my body and I would still feel everything that happened to it. I would have to feel and endure the decay of it. But more then that, I would be in total darkness without even a stone to lay my head on to rest for the rest of my natural life.

If I would endure the terminal condition on Earth I would still have the warmth and light of the sun. I could still receive the care of people around me. I could still enjoy meals and drinks. I could still enjoy the wind and rain in my face and over my body.

If I were gone and live in total darkness I could still receive the thoughts and feelings of other people and I could send my feelings back but we would not be able to touch each other anymore or have normal talks and so. And I could not enjoy the normal things in life anymore that are so obvious to ordinary people when you are here.

I have seen cancer in my own family and I know how painful it can be. So I know what I am talking about.
I think suicide would not improve my situation in a terminal condition. Otherwise I certainly would. Everything to make my suffering as little as possible.

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Jesus did not want Judas to commit suicide. If Judas had not done so Jesus would have been able to help him more.
Jesus understood Judas very well.
Judas suffered from his act in his next lives on Earth as well. It is described in 'The Peoples of the Earth as seen from the Other Side'. Finally Judas got over it and found his way to the spheres of light and reunited with his fellow apostles.

DocM: "student"??

You just try reading 'The Origin of the Universe' after you have read his introductory books. And then we will talk again.

I am not a student of Rulof. I am an expert at his work.

The Masters have said that if you have read those books you are the people on Earth ahead for hundreds of years.

Like I said before somewhere else:
Hundreds of years ago people believed the Earth was flat and that you would fall of if you went too far.
Galileo was punished for speaking true about the shape of the Earth.

Eventually people changed their beliefs about the shape of the Earth.
But Earth did not change it's shape because people changed their beliefs about it.

DocM, I think you will just have to wait until you arrive in the afterlife and then see for yourself. You are not ready to open up to the Masters of Light.

Ok, Mogen,

I see you need clarification on my statement.  You read Rulof, and have adopted his dogma as your reality.  It makes sense to you.  I don't begrudge you your choice.  Yet his notion that people who are cremated suffer unspeakable fire due to a persistent connection to their corpse, or that people who commit suicide must stay by their rotting corpses and not move on because they had a "fixed time" to be alive which they denied, does not ring true to me or to many who have explored the afterlife and spoken with the deceased. 

You see Mogen, we are not our physical bodies.  Rulof's system denies this basic reality.  When the sould is freed of the physical body, it is like shedding and losing clothes.  The idea that the physical construct (the body on the earth plane), could tie down a soul somehow is patently absurd. 

Now if you have a belief system that you believe in with true conviction, then as per the strength in this belief in the afterlife, it will come to pass.  So that if one believes one must stay with one's corpse, perhaps that soul will get "stuck" and do so.  Perhaps thousands or millions have.  But why would you perpetuate such a belief system?

Why not explore on your own, and take the good aspects of Rulof's work that ring true to you, and discard the bad?  If you don't explore on your own, then you are not relaying first-hand knowledge - just telling us all that Rulof's first-hand knowledge is "the truth."  That sort of second-hand knowledge is a cop out. 


M

Mogen,

I have had several paranormal experiences, which have led me to see that we are more than our physical bodies and that there is an afterlife.  I have documented some of these on this message board.  I have had a few OOBE, but also communications from my father after he passed on, and one of my uncles. 

I don't know how to access extremely old threads here, but I have not been shy about stating my experience. 

I do not profess to be a master.  I feel that any can explore on their own - that is why I like Bruce's methods so much.  No pretense or mumbo jumbo. 

Admittedly, we all choose our beliefs.  Even the belief in the afterlife is a belief system.  Yet I prefer to take Pascal's wager, that God exists than to live as if he does not.  My belief system is one of open-mindedness.  I figure that being open to the possibilities will make it least likely that my mind will be clouded by hindering beliefs. 

M

Rulof was a man; no more, no less.  All of us have a great potential.  None of us are meant to give unwavering instructions to others, as the nature of consciousness is intensely personal - thus direct experience and exploration is the best way to know first-hand the reality of the afterlife and God. 

If  follow all of any teacher's plan without exploring on my own, I am buying into a system without having the  "Knowing" of direct experience. 

Yes, I am open minded enough to believe Rulof was sincere.  No, I do not think his way is "true" and all others miss the mark - because I have explored on my own, and continued to do so.  Can you say the same Mogen?

There are many descriptions of the afterlife. I think they often follow
the concept of that time.

Mogen,

You do not address any of the issues posed to you.  You merely refer to Rulof or this or that "master."  You have not explored on your own, by your own admission.  I therefore won't argue with you; I simply feel sorry for you, in that you are closing your mind to the possibilities of first-hand knowledge.  I predict you will experience an afterlife based on what you believe.  It is just a shame that is another man's belief system without verification with your own first-hand exploration.  I hope you are not tied to your physical corpse after death as that is part of your belief system (not mine).  I wish you well in following your teachings  though, and hope you will be open to other experiences.


Matthew

I think this thread has detoured from the idea that we are not alone, never ever alone, and that we each have helpers/guides/whathaveyou watching over us who are ready to assist us if we find ourselves in a disagreeable spot after death, no matter what kind of death, no matter how the death came about, I repeat, no matter what happens, before or after we consider ourselves attached to a human body.

There are so many levels to our existence that it is almost laughable that this one that we consider 'real' is the only way to know who we are.

We have friends on many levels, not just this one, so the opinions of others at this level are not the "end all be all" of this subject.