Hello everyone, This is my first post. Where do Suicides go? She was someone I knew and cared about many many years ago. She had a rough life. She was bi-polar and found by her mother at her home. They listed it as a OD, but I know the difference. She was hard to find, even though we grew up in the same small city. She died in 2007. But I did find her through the internet.  I found this out this January. It is what lead me to Bruce Moens books a few months ago.

This girls death has lead me to my current frame of mind, tore my current christian beliefs and thru me into a major upheaval for the last 7 months to where, as sane as I am, I was considering suicide myself. I feel we were guided into "meetings" which spanned from high school (she went to a rival one), my younger adult life 3 years later. And I (her) totally blew it. My personal life was not happy, and her whole life seemed like a disaster. So yes there was a lot of subconscious feelings that were brought up. Recently I visited my parents in California and was able to track down her brother. OK this is how strange this thing is. He did not remember me (it has been over 30 years), but he gave me a picture that he kept in his wallet. It was a picture that was taken in one of those black and white photo booths. I bumped into her at a county fair back in '80, it was the last time I saw her. The picture was from that day.

Oh I am good. But I would be interested in further information, i.e. the book you mentioned.

thanks!

In the Monroe Focus Level sense I think when someone dies, even by suicide,
they can end up, anywhere between Focus 23 - F 27, perhaps even at some
more advanced or different places, too.

I'm also wondering if the reason we can't access some people after a few years,
may be due to the fact that they or some major part of them have been reborn into
the physical world. At least that would explain some experiences of mine.

So you can go explore and try to sense if you can make contact, by methods
described by Moen. If you don't get a contact, that could mean various things.
The person might not be available, or by some reason it's not useful for you
in that situation, it could also be that it's difficult to "pick up" the connection, etc.
More than one try is usually necessary, at least for me.

My impression is that people who have mental problems due to physical illness, like bi-polar,
have their illness gone once they enter the afterlife. So she may well be in something like
F 27 and be alright.

And other than that, if people doesn't go to F 27, they probably go to some Belief
System Territory, which they gravitate towards. I'm not so sure that the first destination
is that much different for suicide people compared to those who die by natural
causes. And the purpose we are here to do, can always be completed in good ways.
Some probably achieve more than is expected by them, and others probably wants
to be reborn as quickly as possible, unless they join their I-There/Disk.

My daughter committed suicide in October of 2008.  While I can't yet make contact as directly as others, I have had two meaningful connections with her.  One was a vivid dream in which she came to tell me she was fine, about 10 months after she died.  Also, Bruce's friend, Caryl, did a reading for me as part of her research into afterlife communication.  She made contact with my daughter who was helping young children who arrived with no one to meet them.  At the end of the reading in which Megan was asked if she had a special message for me, what came through was so powerful and so true to my daughter that it made both Caryl and I cry.  It was clearly Megan and she is doing splendidly.

Brian P wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 5:47am:

Brian,

If you mean by this that you haven't achieved an out of body state in which to try to make contact I would say, That's okay as it is entirely unnecessary.  I wasted years trying to learn to go OB at will and NEVER was able to do it.

You can make contact without  OBE and at first the hardest thing to do will most likely be to believe you are in contact with your friend while you are.  Verified contact is routinely done in workshop by participants who are awake, sitting in chairs.

As for help from Guides, just mentally ask for their assistance in guiding you into contact.  They always come when called whether you are aware of them or not.

In the Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook I would suggest you reread the sections on  the Basic Premise,  Perceiver/Interpreter,  Beliefs, and using imagination as a means of perception.  If you haven't read that book I'd recommend you do so, cover to cover.

Bruce

I do believe that we live in a mental plane while incarnate on earth, and it is just our own perception that tells us that the physical plane is a "real" world.  When we shed our body, either naturally or in a suicide, we should find ourselves with the same state of being we had while alive. 

This is where the danger of suicide lies (in my opinion).  In order to kill yourself, you are breaking an intimate sacred bond you made to come into the world in the first place.  Suicide is never an answer, because how can you escape from your own mind?  If anything, your mind will amplify the despair of self-loathing thoughts that permitted suicide in the first place.  And since spiritual progress may progress more slowly in the nonphysical planes, people may, indeed lock themselves into hellish states of self-loathing and denial of the love inside themselves.  This would make it very difficult for helpers (angels) to reach them, since the individual person has to be open to being helped.

The most important thing that I tell my patients is to be open to the idea of help.  I recently had a 90 year old woman who told me she was traveling to Italy this summer.  She began to have dreams that she was in a great tunnel, and confused, bewildered, asking for directions "home."  I had the strong impression that this was a subconscious communication about her impending trip, but also, possibly about her future passing on in spirit.  Although I couldn't talk freely about that (as I am a well trained western physician, and she wasn't open to that kind of a discussion).  We slowly began to talk about stories in each of our families about communications with the other side, and admitted that there is much we just don't know. 

I gently suggested to her that the most important state of mind I am aware of, is that of an open mind, open to the possibilities.  I said to her that should she ever find herself in a similar situation to that tunnel, in a "dream," not to forget to ask for help and to be open to help being available.  Without going into more details, I thought that vital; she seemed open to the idea.

So, I think suicide is never the answer, because we are not meant to escape from our own minds.  We can work out our fears better while incarnate here on earth, and intuitively, we all "know" that we are meant to strive on and overcome obstacles. 

That being said, I don't believe that people who commit suicide are confined anywhere by an outside force.  They are their own judges, and since most of them have a problem with self-love and self-worth, they can judge themselves too harshly, and lock down their minds.

But there are many possibilities for recovery if we are open to unlocking a negative belief system and asking for help.

Matthew