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Aug 2nd, 2012 at 4:31am
 

Hey. I've been watching and listening to the interviews and videos on the Project Camelot website. There is a person called David Wilcock who claims to be the present reincarnation of Edgar Cayce! Just wondering how you all accept this, especially you Justin, who seems to place great faith in EC. Or is this just the usual 'wild imaginings' of the 'New Age Ghetto!??'  Don-Beserks words, not mine.
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Reply #1 - Aug 2nd, 2012 at 9:14am
 
I have never read anything of Edgar Cayce, I only heard about him. But personally I think this is just a lot of bs. I think Wilcock is trying to make a ride on the reputation of Cayce. Or maybe he is even possessed by some dark spirit who lurks on Wilcock's energy by fooling him that way. Dark spirits can be very devious in many ways.

You will not have to expect any of that from Rulof and his masters. They already said in the books that they will not come back to Earth, not by reincarnation, or channeling or whatever means people may come up with.
Rulof and his Masters have completed their task. You will understand that especially if you have read his Cosmology and Lectures.
There are many thousands of spirits of light ready and waiting for an opportunity to get in touch with Earth people to help them further. But you can't do that by impersonating Rulof or one of his Masters. That creates disharmony. A true spirit of light understands that and will stay away from that.
So if anybody claims to be channeling Rulof or one of his masters you can rest assure that person is either talking bs or is being possessed by a smart spirit of the dark spheres.
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Reply #2 - Aug 4th, 2012 at 3:25am
 


Re: Edgar Cayce
Reply #1 - Aug 2nd, 2012 at 9:14am Quote
I have never read anything of Edgar Cayce, I only heard about him. But personally I think this is just a lot of bs. I think Wilcock is trying to make a ride on the reputation of Cayce. Or maybe he is even possessed by some dark spirit who lurks on Wilcock's energy by fooling him that way. Dark spirits can be very devious in many ways."

So true!...Especially the BS you mentioned. In many ways this reminds me of the 'Imagination Method' of contacting the dead and traveling into the afterlife! True Evidence and Verifications always resides in the Zero phase with this snake oil system.
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Reply #3 - Aug 4th, 2012 at 4:45am
 
True Evidence and Verification is very hard to find in this area. If at all it is possible.

There is a book of Rulof called Spiritual Gifts. In this book all the gifts which Jozef Rulof possessed are explained in detail in just as many chapters: writing mediumship, speaking under inspiration, the psychic trance, mediumistic painting and drawing, spiritual clairvoyance and the healing medium. In addition, the following supernatural phenomena, among others, are treated: communication with the cross and board and the planchette, spiritual photography, direct voice, materialisations and dematerialisations, levitation, apports, rappings and ghost phenomena.

The conclusion of that book is that deception in this area is so dreadfully great that the sober being rightly no longer wishes to know anything more about all that spiritual carry-on.
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Reply #4 - Aug 8th, 2012 at 5:59pm
 
harvey wrote on Aug 2nd, 2012 at 4:31am:
Hey. I've been watching and listening to the interviews and videos on the Project Camelot website. There is a person called David Wilcock who claims to be the present reincarnation of Edgar Cayce! Just wondering how you all accept this, especially you Justin, who seems to place great faith in EC. Or is this just the usual 'wild imaginings' of the 'New Age Ghetto!??'  Don-Beserks words, not mine. 


  I haven't received any information specifically about David Wilcock, nor am i particularly interested in him or his information (nor am i that knowledgeable about him), so i can't say one way or the other directly. 

  However, i do tend to be innately skeptical of people who have something to sell and i'm well aware that the New Age is filled with materialists in spiritual guises.  I do know that years ago, before he became a somewhat well known name, he use to do readings and charged quite a bit for them--i can't remember exactly how much now though. 

   Edgar Cayce wasn't generally interested in money for the sake of money.  He was the kind of person who would literally give another the shirt off his back completely for free if he thought it would help them.  If it wasn't for his wife and other more practical or business minded people he was close with, i doubt he would have charged even the smallish one time fee for membership to the A.R.E. that eventually got set up and was decided upon by a collective of friends and backers.  For many years, Edgar tried to support himself and his family from just his regular jobs and many people got completely free readings for years. 

  "As the tree falls, so does it lay"  If there is a kind of reincarnation (my experiences tell me so far there is), then often major and deeper traits carry one from one life to another--especially when speaking of more mature consciousnesses on the more straight and narrow track.   

  I guess what i am saying in a round about way is that i doubt that a "future" projection/aspect of this "Disk" would be particularly interested in money or even in living "comfortably".  Yeshua (Jesus) was Edgar's main role model in life for a long time and an example and pattern that he tried hard to follow.  Yeshua didn't seem to think much of money except for using it to help others.  Both Edgar and Yeshua (more so) understood that the help to others IS the payment to self. 

  Rather than ask me or others about David Wilcock, i suggest that if you really want to know about him and what he is about, then a combo of prayer and meditation would be probably the most helpful.  Pray for assistance from only the most PUL Love attuned and spiritually helpful, aware, etc. Consciousnesses (for me it's those, or that "level" of those who are fully at One with Source/God and Christ), bring up positive, expanding feelings and thoughts (Love, Gratitude, etc), and ask these most expanded for info with no preconceptions.

  My experience with asking about others, though, that if there is not a deeper and more helpful intent or some kind of spiritual service or help to others or to self in some way, that silence is often the "answer". 

  P.S.  i don't put great faith in Edgar Cayce btw.  He was, for all his good ideals and tries, still rather weak in certain areas. If he didn't go so deep, and his personality self get so submerged (he rarely ever remembered a reading he gave), he would not have been able to give the wide range, depth, and average accuracy of info that did often come through.  Reason was he was not attuned enough to the Light, nor balanced enough between his physical, mental, and spiritual.  He also had A LOT of help from Consciousnesses much, much, much more intune than himself.  I put my faith in Christ, whom worked with Edgar but who had to work with a imperfect and incomplete channel.  If the receiving sensitive has some internal static and is not completely attuned to the wavelength of Love and of Source, then how can it provide only completely accurate and helpful information?   So, there were some distortions even in this unusual psychic/spiritual work.  It's just a kind of "physics" that no one can get around, not even those fully intune with the Light.   But i do believe, because of his ideals, deepest intents, deepest aspirations, and daily prayers that Edgar was communicating with those of the Light.  He was not the first, nor the last to do this though. 
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Reply #5 - Oct 17th, 2012 at 12:30am
 
Berserk2 wrote on Oct 16th, 2012 at 5:34pm:
Edgar Cayce's mystic visions of a catastrophic future strike me as ludicrous--just another of his many mystical errors iin his later years.  NDE apocalyptic imagery and snenarios are troubling for me because their truth value strikes me as dubious.  For me, atheist Howard Storm's NDE book, "My Descent into Daath" is the most compelling NDE book ever; yet it too is troubling in this respect: Howard told me that he omitted apocalyptic prophecies during his NDE because they would detract from his book's credibility. 

The paranormal aspects of Marian visions such as those at Fatima and Medjugorje are more impressive than those associated with any New Age manifestions.  Yet even the Medjugorje apparitions trouble me in one respect: Maria and some of the other children allegedly received 10 secrets of devastating consequence for the Earth's future, secrets for which they know the dates and will supposedly reveal the dates through a designated priest 3 days in advance of fulfilment.  3 of thsse secrets have supposedly been suspended through the power of group prayer.  But what about the other 7?  Well, these secrets were revealed in the 1980s, and so far, no dates have been revealed.  I'm skeptical that any dates will ever be revealed or that, if revealed the prophecies will come true.  So am I saying the "chjild mystics" were lying?  No, but I'm puzzled and am only being honest about my intuition. 

Dec. 21, 2012 will come and go with nothing special to report and the whole Mayan calender debacle will be widely discredited.  Still worse are efforts to defuse the impending disillusionment by speaking instead of subtle changes in cosmic consciousness that are undetectable and unfalsifiaible even in principle. 

In his book, "The Way of a Shaman," anthropologist, Michael Harner have apocalyptic visions after taking a hallucinogen from an Amazonian shaman.  The imagery he saw strikingly paralleled the Book of Revelation, which he had never read, but was later entrhalled by it parallisms.  I spspect that there are archetypal dimensions of the etheric realm that promote imagery that is higlh symbolic, but is misinterpreted as apocalyptic.  We simply need to learn more about all the ways in which astral research can be misinterpreted to make real progress in our knowledge. 

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  What exact visions are you talking about Don?  I went through a period of being intensely interested in and researched this vast work (Cayce's) both directly and the through the lens of other authors--many who injected their own beliefs, interpretations, and misconceptions and often many of them quoting far too little but extrapolating far too much. 

    My understanding is that Cayce's guidance for the most part outlined general trends to be noticed, rather than this or than specific major event, or a specific date of "the changes".  The major exception is the 1936, inner earth upheaval which we will deal with in a bit. 

   Because this work is so vast in scope and sheer information, it's easy to take a line or two out of it and say, "look, Cayce said this and obviously it's not true and didn't come to pass." 

  You need the larger context--in that sense, this work is in many ways like the Bible.  The Bible makes much more sense if taken as a whole at the same time of the specific parts, rather than just taking out individual parts. 

  This is the larger context, briefly summarized for reasons of brevity: 

  Cayce's guidance indicated in a couple of different readings that an upheaval would and did occur deep within the Earth in 1936.  One can logically speculate that Cayce's guidance was talking about the inner, independently rotating core of the Earth which acts as the inner "engine" of the Earth and which generates the Earth's magnetic field. 

  They said that this upheaval and change deep within the Earth caused a differentiation in the alignment of the axis of same to Polaris.  Unfortunately, it was not specifically specified whether it was this inner core or the outer Earth.  We know that it was not the outer Earth that shifted in relation to Polaris.   

However, the latest research on the inner core indicates that researchers believe that the inner core's axis is shifted some 10 degrees or so from the rest of the Earth currently.  (hence, there are two axis's of the Earth, the inner core's and the outer, rest of the Earth.  The latter's still aligns to Polaris and the former does not) Unfortunately, we do not know whether it's always been this way, or if this is a relatively recent developement as Cayce's guidance hinted it was.

  Due to this inner upheaval/change, they outlined that we would gradually begin to see various Earth changes become noticed more within the Earth.  They referenced on more than one occasion this trend of increasing change beginning from 1958 to 1998.  However, this is not when the bulk of the changes would take place in--that was going to be AFTER 1998 and no specific times to events were given, just general trends of the western portion of America being broken up, Japan being broken up and much going into the ocean, etc.  Rather the 58' to 98' period-- this was only the beginning of it becoming noticed.

  Some of these trends including a general global warming, particularly noticed at the Polar regions.  An increase in intensity and frequency of earthquakes, volcanic activity.  More Consciousness oriented changes were also outlined.  Also starting in the 58' era were said to be Lights being seen in the skies, and a general growing spiritual awakening. 

  Many of these readings have been grossly misinterpreted, here are a couple of examples: 

  "Q--Will the Earth upheavals in during 1936 affect San Fransico as it did in 1906?
  "A--This'll be a baby beside what it will be in 1936."  Excerpted from Reading 270-30

Without the larger context and understanding of what this work says as a whole, one might read the above and say, "Edgar Cayce said a huge earthquake would happen in San Fran in 1936!" 

  Rather, what they were really saying was that the upheaval in the Earth that happened in 36' would eventually lead to at some undetermined later time (after 98) earthquakes and activities that would make the 1906 event seem small and paltry by comparison.  I have it on good sources that the West coast event will happen relatively soon btw. 

  Here is another example of a commonly misinterpreted and overly sensationalized reading:

"Q--What great change or the beginning of what change, if any, is to take place in the earth in the year 2000 to 2001 A.D.?
  A-When there is the shifting of the poles.  Or a new cycle begins."  Excerpted from Reading 826-8

  There were numerous authors who prior to 2000 wrote books which referenced this reading and basically said, "Edgar Cayce said that the Poles would shift by the end of 2001!"  Obviously, this didn't happen, but was this really what they were saying to begin with?  Read it a little more carefully. 

  First the questioner uses the qualifying term of "or the beginning of", and the answer is relative to that and they even say, "Or a new cycle begins."  The question was somewhat open ended, as was the answer.  In fact, in a few other readings they repeated that even by 98, these changes would still be gradual and not cataclysmic in nature.  It was sometime after the 98' period that we would begin to start to see the more intense manifestations of this original inner Earth upheaval. 

  Cayce's guidance repeatedly ascertained that the future was not written in stone for the most part, especially as to specific timing of events.  They said that the prayers of the many, the directed positive intentions and actions of groups, etc. could change some things.  I will be the first to say that when it comes to the future Cayce's info wasn't 100 percent correct, but the general trends have been extremely accurate on a whole. 

  They predicted global warming right on time, decades before it started to even first be observed.  They predicted the UFO-- lights in the sky phenomenon well before.   They predicted a resurgence in spiritual seeking and gradual change in Consciousness towards the more spiritual and a growing conflict with the self oriented materialists. 

  And we will see in the years to come that the outlining of the inner Earth upheaval and axis differentiation that was said to take place in 36' and which would eventually lead, after 98', to more cataclysmic Earth changes was more than accurate.    While they referenced to the fluidic, freewilled influenced nature of time and events, they also said this about the Earth changes, "Q-Are details of the earth's eruptions in 1936 so fixed that you can give me an outline of the Pacific Coast area to be affected?
A-...That some are due and will occur is written, as it were..as to specific date or time in the present this may not be given."  Reading 270-32   In other readings, they reference to the changes that "will" and "must" occur in the Earth. 

  What i've seen personally, the large Solar event did not have to happen, and even yet may not occur.  But i know it WILL occur if Israel and/or America decide to attack Iran as they are planning to currently.  This World War III conflagration , if it takes place, will be broken up by the Creative Forces.

  Isn't it interesting Don that some many different sources speak of such similar Earth changes?  So many NDE's, Bob Monroe and most of his original explorers, Bruce Moen, the Fatima prophecies, many Native American prophecies, etc, etc. 

  Personally, i don't really need any of the above when i'm getting direct information about this via dreams, meditation visions, and other means, and not only myself but my wife and a spiritual friend of mine. 

  Good luck with your "metaphorical" interpretation of it all.  I will leave you will a Biblical referenced reading from Cayce's guidance about this, "The deluge was not a myth (as many would have you believe) but a period when man had so belittled himself with the cares of the world, with the deceitfulness of his own knowledge and power, as to require that there be a return to his dependence wholly--physically and mentally--upon the Creative Forces.
   
   Will this entity see such again occur in the earth?  Will it be among the those who may be given those direction as to how, where, the elect may be preserved for the replenishing again of the earth?  Remember, not by water--for it is the mother of life in the earth--but rather by the elements, fire."  Excerpted from Reading 3653-1

  I've seen this fire many times in many different ways.  It is not nuclear, but it is Solar, and it is the primary agent of bringing balance back and leveling the playing field in the Earth.
Again, when you see the Red skies, you will know that i speak the truth of this matter.  The red skies is basically a very intense "aurora borealis" like event wherein very intensely charged solar particles and energies are interacting with the Earth's magnetic field and atmospheric gasses.   This will be strong enough to happen all over the Earth, even at the equatorial regions.

  But i do agree with you on one thing, December 21 2012 as a specific date will be no big deal in and of itself.  It will come and go with no "bang".  However, before this date will happen some very, very large quakes in CA and after this date, a very probable powerful Solar storm event may happen, and definitely so if the wars talked in the above are started. 

  I would freely admit that you know the Bible much better than myself in most ways and in most areas, but i definitely know Cayce's material much better and more over i've had personal guidance that has confirmed aspects of this information, sometimes consciously and directly sought and received and other times gotten when not directly and consciously seeking. 
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Reply #6 - Oct 22nd, 2012 at 12:36am
 
I find it interesting how so many of those experiencing past life regression , or those who believe to be reincarnate, somehow think they were someone of importance in some way. You know the ones. They are EC, or JC, or some other person who those week minded enough just might start believing in the story. Lets face it. What a bunch of dung. Not that I don't believe in reincarnation. I do...strongly. Having lived a number of times before and knowing that there is no such thing a death. Perhaps its just me. I was only a poor soul. Not some super hero, or rock star like personality. How many people could have EC, or JC, or any of the biggies? Now someone coming up to me and telling me they shoveled that dung in a past life, that, I might believe. But EC. Get a grip. Its someone after someone's money. Don't let it be yours.
(of course I do look a lot like Elvis....hmmm)
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