george stone wrote on Jul 15^th, 2012 at 12:47am:


Because there is a difference between the physical organism and the spiritual organism.

Hi George,

Great topic idea.  What consciousness is and how it works is always an intriguing thing to think about and talk about.

The way that I understand the answer to your question is to realize that you are a conscious being.  Your consciousness doesn’t get broken up into parts that get scattered here and there, like part of it being inside your physical body right now.  That’s not correct.  Your consciousness is a whole, always.  But being in a physical body and living in this reality means that you are only partly aware of the totality of your consciousness.  In this lifetime you are only aware of a small focus of your consciousness.  What we know of ourselves in this physical lifetime isn’t the totality of our consciousness, it is only as little as a page in a very large book.  But we are free to explore and expand our awareness, always.  Our consciousness is always communicating with us and trying to make us more aware here in this physical reality, always.  We just are not always picking up on things.  To become aware means to expand our consciousness.  It takes thinking, learning, intention, curiosity, etc.  The “focus” of these things is the part of us deep in the core of our identity and belief system.  If you want to be more aware of that deep part, pay attention to what you feel, what you are drawn to, or what governs your actions and decisions.  We usually operate out of a place of fear or desire.  Those are the things that move our “focus” and where and how we live our lives.

Your consciousness isn’t maintained, contained, and controlled by the physical body or by physical reality.  It doesn’t live by the laws of the physical.  We generally grow up believing it is, but it isn’t.  To get knocked out unconscious isn’t the same thing as your consciousness and doesn’t affect it.  To die doesn’t do anything to your consciousness.  Your consciousness is always intact.  For right now in this physical lifetime, you are aware of a part of your consciousness which is focused on living this physical life and having a physical body to take care of.  But that’s just a small focus compared to the totality of your entire consciousness. 

So when you die, you no longer have a physical body to focus on and take care of.  But that doesn’t change your consciousness or your awareness.  This is why we say we “move on” when we die.  It means that we change our focus.  In fact, after we leave this physical reality it becomes much easier for us to realize that we can be consciously focused in more than one place at a time, because all it takes to do that is thought.  You always have a consciousness, and you have the right and ability to be consciously aware at any moment, at any time, anywhere.  Even after death.  What governs us isn’t physical reality but our beliefs. 

Vicky

This topic just became very interesting to me, especially when we begin to consider:

The speed of light VS. the speed of thought.

Normal thought always seems instantaneous to you and me when in reality, it's slightly delayed. It simply seems instantaneous because it is how you are perceiving the world around you.

This has been tested by scientists and the best we can do is measure the speed of thought organically based on the nervous system. (Thought within the body travels at different speeds depending on where you are taking the reading also.)

""Depending on the type of fiber, the neural impulse travels at speed ranging from a sluggish 2 miles per hour to, in some myelinated fibers, a breackneck 200 or more miles per hour. But even this top speed is 3 million times slower than the speed of electricity through a wire."" But that's because the impulse is going thru organic matter.

Using this method of calculating the speed of thought, the speed of thought is far slower than the speed of light. I am leaving the door open however to the possibility of other methods which may prove thought can travel faster. But, as the tests are currently..... thought only travels as fast as the electrical impulses themselves, which regardless, is technically slower than the speed of light.

If consciousness was not limited by the organic material of the brain, say, a spirit for instance, would potentially be able to think at a potential speed of... well.... instantaneous!

Imagine what it would be like... able to think without being handicapped by the speed of the human brain. The possibilities are impossible to comprehend!

Docm, I am certainly open to other possibilities. I attempted to find articles like what you are referring to, by searching for flight of the bumblebee baffles scientists etc. and was unable to find any scientific article which stated that scientists were unable to explain the speed of thought in such a test.

I also looked into muscle memory and it seems like it is actually fairly scientifically tested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_memory

Also don't forget I mentioned that often thought seems instantaneous because that is how you perceive it using your current awareness of reality, when in fact the thoughts actually are not happening that fast.

I am very interested in any scientific articles in which thought was tested in a controlled environment and the scientist performing the test was baffled. If anyone has a link to an article such as this please post it for me!

Thanks!



Taken from the above link:
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Music memory


Playing the piano requires complex actions

Fine motor skills are very important in playing musical instruments. It was found that muscle memory is relied on when playing the clarinet, specifically to help create special effects through certain tongue movements when blowing air into the instrument.[20] Memorizing is done by muscles as a note is seen and recalled, its auditory pair is learned and is matched by fingers movements (a fine motor skill).[21] When reproducing a motor action, you must have previous experience with it to memorize set actions. If there is no previous experience there will be no mental image of the motion, and therefore no actual movement.[21]

Certain human behaviours, especially actions like the fingering in musical performances, are very complex and require many interconnected neural networks where information can be transmitted across multiple brain regions.[22] It has been found that there are often functional differences in the brains of professional musicians, when compared to other individuals. This is thought to reflect the musician’s innate ability, which may be fostered by an early exposure to musical training.[22] An example of this is bimanual synchronized finger movements, which play an essential role in piano playing. It is suggested that bimanual coordination can come only from years of bimanual training, where such actions become adaptations of the motor areas.[23] When comparing professional musicians to a control group in complex bimanual movements, professionals are found to use an extensive motor network much less than those non-professionals.[23] This is because professionals rely on a motor system that has increased efficiency, and, therefore, those less trained have a network that is more strongly activated.[23] It is implied that the untrained pianists have to invest more neuronal activity to have the same level of performance that is achieved by professionals.[23] This, yet again, is said to be a consequence of many years of motor training and experience that helps form a fine motor memory skill of musical performance.

It is often reported that, when a pianist hears a well-trained piece of music, synonymous fingering can be involuntarily triggered.[22] This implies that there is a coupling between the perception of music and the motor activity of those musically trained individuals.[22] Therefore, one’s muscle memory in the context of music can easily be triggered when one hears certain familiar pieces. Overall, long-term musical fine motor training allows for complex actions to be performed at a lower level of movement control, monitoring, selection, attention, and timing.[23] This leaves room for musicians to focus attention synchronously elsewhere, such as on the artistic aspect of the performance, without having to consciously control one’s fine motor actions.[23]

george stone wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 1:22am:


George,

I wish it were that easy here in the physical life, to just think what we want and be able to consciously be there and retain all conscious memory of it.  But in order to do that it requires that we let go of our left-brain side thinking, our logic.  It's what keeps us grounded and focused in the physical.  This is why out-of-body experiences and altered states of consciousness require that we go into at least a light state of physical sleep so that our mind isn't focused on staying awake and aware of the physical. 

So back to your original question, after death we don't have that physical-hold focus anymore, and our consciousness is more free to expand and explore and see things from a much higher perspective.

In the Cosmology of Jozef Rulof the Masters of Light talked about the origin of consciousness.
To my surprise they first started talking about the female iris of the eye and the male light that enters the eye through the iris to become conscious of the world around you.
Anyway, they said that the origin of consciousness can be traced back to before the Big Bang. I guess that can hardly mean anything else then Divine Consciousness (capitals).

You and God were One before the Big Bang.
You are conscious, so is God.
God knew what He/She was doing when He/She created the Universe out of the Big Bang.
Consciousness is a part of that.

Just to make things more complicated...

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I think that with thought and not limited by a physical organism you can travel through the universe in an instant. It is all a matter of concentration and will power. The only time it would really take would then be the time you need to concentrate your mind strong enough to make it happen.
There are enough examples in the books of Jozef Rulof where this way of travelling is described. As far as I understand it is the more common way to travel long distances overthere.
They don't use busses, trains or spaceships in the higher spheres of light. It just doesn't work that way.