It's hard to free people from old ideas and convictions. They are used to it and it's often buried deep inside their system.
Even if you have something new to show what could replace it they still won't accept it.
For some people it may be natural, belonging to the level of evolution where they are in, but for others a change would be so much better.

Lots of people call themselves enlightened and if you question them...
Everybody has their black holes. So do I.
And there is always a new world with new possibilities.

Hi,

Re: "they either don't believe in earthbound
ghosts or they label them as Satan's demons.”

To put it another way when a spirit can get back into Earthly matters to communicate, there is room for error or even deceit. And for bullying of the living who are supposed to find their own way through life. So many egos are involved.

Just because a spirit speaks, that feat doesn’t give it, or its handler/sponsor/medium, any moral authority over the living. What they tell people, even who they tell people they are, has to be evaluated clearly.  Their messages need not be whole-heartedly accepted.

Even cultures that recognize that spirits can communicate will also have reminders in the legends of Tricksters, Coyotes, etc. 

Just a thought, but I’m not talking about Mr. Flint specifically.

Bets

betson wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 4:05am:


So how do you rate Bruce Moen's imagination method to contact the 'dead', over those of a gifted medium? Below is whats on the whiteboard behind Bruce Moen.

                       IMAGINATION   
         O                                                  O
   Fantasy_______(Unexpected)_________Real
    Pretend                   Trend                

          The Video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2L3GUqJ-eo

                                                       
                              
 

 

betson wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 9:31pm:


Bets said, "Personally I can’t rate or compare them because I’ve only experienced Bruce’s method and so I know it works effectively. We only trust what we experience, right? "

Right??.. No! What proof do you have that it works effectively? Have you any testimonials? After all, you are using your personal imagination rather than other alive peoples verifications to your 'imaginings'!? Genuine mediums have scores of  verifications from sitters seeking contact from the afterlife. Do you?

Is this another 'Guru - Disciple' relationship I see that many members here have with Bruce Moen? Maybe in your imaginative mind and eyes, "Caesar can do no wrong.".....   

Focus27 wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 2:03am:


I know what your two cents are worth.

What would you define as "sufficient, accurate, scientific data to support pro-afterlife claims"?

Several times over the past few years, including just recently, I referred to the ‘double blind’ retrieval Romain organized for a recently deceased young man. Several of us who were then active on this site made contact with him, got the same description of him physically, and were told the same circumstances of his death. I thought at least once it was written for you, harvey, in response to your questions.

There have been others also that I’ve experienced and confirmed with relatives of the soul passed over. Some were incomplete due to our mistakes in preparing, some had surprises that relatives took as errors but may have fit the retrievee or what the retrievee now wanted them to know. Some were completely fulfilling.

I only repeat all that in hopes it will encourage you to believe you can do it, thenset your intent, and have a wonderful experience.

Betson

Focus27 wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 10:18am:


I think it's morbid. Could you display an example more directed towards the celebration of life? Or isn't that scientific enough?