Hi I just read this off the internet, what are your views on the matter?

What is the present state of the dead?

"He [Jesus] said to them, ‘Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up'" (John 11:11)


John goes on to relate how Jesus raised Lazarus from death to life (John 11:12-45)

In the Bible, death is often referred to as sleep (Job 14:10-12)
; Psalm 13:3
; Daniel 12:2
; 1 Thessalonians 4:15
)—a total lack of consciousness (Psalm 6:5
; Ecclesiastes 9:5
, 10).

The beautiful metaphor of sleep emphasizes the fact that the first death is temporary and that everyone who dies will be awakened by God in the future! This understanding of the present state of the dead is much more comforting than all the

Alan

PauliEffectt wrote on Jun 25^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:


How dare you, PauliEffect! You should get down on your knees and ask for complete forgiveness from Alan. Don't you know he is the Master of Wisdom!
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=alan+mcfdougall+master+of+wisdom&ie=utf-8&oe=u...

Alan McDougall wrote on Jun 26^th, 2012 at 1:17am:


That sounds much better.

In the book  'The Masters of the Far East' by Baird T. Spalding Jesus also called a recently deceased person back from the dead. He did that together with some other Masters.
Before that person died he was an old crumpy man devoted to helping those Masters. When they had raised him, called him back to life, he bursted with energy and life.
Very interesting story.

I don't find it necessary to experience such things myself before I will be convinced that it is possible. Within the whole context it sounds possible enough for me.

In another book 'The Autobiography of a Yogi' by Yogananda his teacher Sri Yukteswar was allowed a short return to Yogananda and told him of his new life in the after life. He looked healthy and bright like a young god too.

So, those things inspire me to do my best so that when I arrive in the after life I will be a young god as well. I started already. I'm spiritual and a vegetarian.

The present state of the dead depends on their inner attunement. It depends on what they have done while they were on Earth.
You can work on yourself and attune to a sphere of light and you can also forget yourself and go for the money and earthly welth. People that walk over dead bodies, lots of them, all end up in one of the unconscious worlds, the dark spheres.
That is the present state of the dead according to the books of Jozef Rulof.

harvey wrote on Jun 26^th, 2012 at 10:27pm:


You are right about SA and crime, below is a summary that I have altered to reflect the real truth and reality we have to exist in South Africa

http://www.ilanamercer.com/TheUglyTruthAboutDemocraticSouth%20Africa.htm

South Africa is now the most violent country outside a war zone. The country, writes Scott Baldauf of the Christian Science Monitor, has “the highest recorded per capita murder rate in the world—with 62 homicides per 100,000 people … The US, by comparison, had 6.  So violent is the “free” South Africa that, for a period, the freewheeling African National Congress government imposed an official blackout on national crime statistics. It now releases them once yearly, but it is false and understated in the exteme!.

In 2003, South Africa had 21,553 murders (population 44.6 million). In comparison, the “high crime” United States (population 288.2 million) suffered 16,110 murders in the same year..

The last true statistics available,“showed that between April 2011 and March 2012, about 32,793 people were murdered in South Africa, an average of  about 90 a day in a nation of 50 million.” There were 40,516 attempted murders, 300,369 assaults with grievous injury, and 90,114 rapes of unimaginable brutality, sometimes gang rapes by twenty men or more on a young teenager.

The crimes are committed in the cities in equal proportion on whites, blacks and Asians.

But most of South Africa's farming community have been murdered because they are considered to be the hated  Afrikaners Boer or farmer. South Africa previously the bread basked of Africa might soon have to import food from abroad due to uncontrolled rampant crime.

The South African Medical Research Council claims there are approximately a third more murders in South Africa than the official police statistics reveal.” A discrepancy of over 10,000 murders is, shall we say, more than a margin of error.

So in reality about 45, 000 or more innocent people were murdered in South Africa In comparison to America with a population six times the size of that of South Africa, with only about 16,500 murders per year.

Yet Westerners, conservatives included, praise the new dispensation in my old home. According to a columnist for The American Conservative, South Africa represents “the greatest triumph of chatter over machine-gun clatter.” “It’s not perfect,” this flaccid fool effuses, “and crime is at an all-time high in South-African cities, but at least the massacres are a thing of the past and life goes on much better than before.”

False. Few know that during the decades of the repressive apartheid regime, only a few hundred Africans perished as a direct result of police brutality. A horrible injustice, indubitably, but nothing approximating the carnage under “free” South Africa, where thousands of Africans perish every few months. (Let us not beat about the bush; crime in South Africa is black on black and black on white.)

Take the travails of my extended family. Ordinarily, a one-case study does not a rule make. But not in this instance—you’d be hard pressed to find a family in democratic South Africa whose members have not been brutalized by barbarians. Mine includes a sister-in-law suffering permanent neurological damage after being assaulted by five Africans; a brother burglarized and beaten in his suburban fortress at 2:00am by an African gang (wife and infant son were miraculously spared). My father’s neighbor was shot point-blank in front of his little girls, as he exited his car to open the garage gates. My husband’s cousin and uncle were hijacked; aunt beaten within an inch of her life and raped. Two of his colleagues (that we know of) were murdered; one shot by African taxi drivers in broad daylight, as he left his girlfriend’s apartment.

Despite the oppressive, undesirable, political aspects of apartheid, law and order was maintained and common criminals were pursued and prosecuted, to the benefit of all. To appropriate the gallant words of Gen. Sir Charles Napier: Before 1994, when African men raped infants and tiny babies because the “practice” is considered a traditional salve or cure for AIDS, South African policemen followed their custom: they tied a rope around the rapist’s neck and hung him. Yes these beasts rape babies as young as six months old!!. The policemen who did this were mostly from the outraged black community.

Since the near-total collapse of law and order, the conviction rate hovers at 2.96 percent!