I became a vegetarian out of self interest. Pure self interest. Not for the love of animals or so.

The main reason why I stopped eating meat about three years ago was that my stomach felt so big and blown up after eating meat and it gave an unpleasent restless kind of drive down there. When I stopped that was all over. I felt much better. My sleep at night also improved.
The feeling when you have just had dinner and you feel like you have to start all over again as if you hadn't had anything at all. I guess it has to do with the insuline level, but the feeling was very uncomfortable. I was 49 when I stopped.

I stopped using milk as well. Instead I started to use soy drink. Because soy drink has added vitamine B12 and calcium. B12 is the only real reason why you need meat. All the other nutritions in meat can be found in vegetable products.
The soy drink I use has about 10 times the necessary daily amount of B12 per 100ml but it does not have added vit. D for better absorption by the body of B12.
I use about three to four glasses soy drink a day. That is about 600 to 800ml which is sufficient for my daily need of B12 and calcium.

So soy drink with added B12 and calcium is my key to having a healthy vegetarian diet.
I use it with oats and lemonade for breakfast and I heat it up in the microwave and mix it then with cocoa powder for a hot chocolate drink. If I drink it cold I would drink one after another.

But it did not help to loose weight. Another reason why I became vegetarian was that I wanted to loose weight. It didn't work.
Last September, 2011, things were going out of control. My body weight was getting too high. I have arthrosis in one knee and the other knee started to complain as well. I needed a walking stick to go to the supermarket around the corner.
So something had to change. Desperately.

I decided to stop having cheese on bread.
And that made the difference.
When I stopped with that my hunger prior to the meals got less. It made it easier for me to stop having calorie rich soda's and candy like chocolate bars prior to dinner. It enabled me to have enough on luke warm water from a thermos can between the meals.
So from October 2011 I really started to loose weight at a rate of about 1 kilogram per 10 days or two weeks and it didn't cost me any trouble of fighting feelings of hunger or starvation. I only got drowsy for a short while when my body switched over to the fat reserves.

Milk contains a substance that prohibits my body to switch to my fat reserves. Milk is meant for calves. They have to build up a fat reserve and grow fast. Adult people don't. They are full grown already.

I am so happy that I finally got the key to loosing weight that I would like anybody to know about that.
Of course not everyone's body is the same, but I am sure many people with overweight may have use from this advise: stop using dairy. No more milk, no more cheese, no more products with milk or cheese in it. So also no more pizza's and so if you want to loose weight without hunger.

In a period of about 6 months I lost about 16 kilograms, approx. 40 pounds. My BMI index is now in the green.
One thing is for sure: dairy will only come back by exception like on an occasional pizza.
When I stopped using cheese I also stopped having pyrosis, too much acidity of the stomach. That was also becoming a bit of an annoying part of my life.

I think loosing weight with a dairy free diet could also be done while you still eat meat, but I am not going to try that out.


What does vegetarianism has to do with the Afterlife?

Masters of the spheres of light are all vegetarian. Out of respect and love for the animal. So they eat fruit and vegetables. I understand they have much nicer fruit overthere then we downhere.

Anyway, I could still enjoy very much a nice medium red steak or a very greasy saucage with baked unions and curry sauce. It can water my mouth. But my awareness has grown that an animal should have died for that and that is less pleasant. Even more unpleasant, selfish as I am, my digestion would fall back immediately. Meat takes about three days to be digested and vegetables less then one.

So even though the temptation in my mind and my mouth are still there I will most likely not do it anymore, also because I want to tune up to the spheres of light. Those temptations always fade in less then five or ten minutes.

I'd like to add that I take Vitamin B12 because a vegetarian diet doesn't include this Vitamin. I also take Vitamin D3 because no food contains this Vitamin. It is created when we are in the sun. People with a dark complexion have a harder time creating it. I'm have German and half Spanish, so I have an olive complexion and figure I need D3 more than others.

I eat Quinoa because it has all 8 essential amino acids. It is also gluten free. I eat Tempeh instead of Tofu because Tofu is the white bread of soy products.

Here is a link to the pollution in the Netherlands
http://www2.natuurenmilieu.nl/nieuws/perscentrum/20111015-nederland-is-meest-ver...

but you need google to translate it
http://translate.google.com/

Focus27 wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 4:41pm:


With milk I would not have been able to loose 18 kilograms / 40 pounds.

Who wants to increase his or her life extreme?
Staying very hungry all of the time is such a stupid argument.

recoverer wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 12:32pm:


In the temples of Ancient Egypt novices and priests would joyfully starve themselves to increase their sensitivity.

Mogenblue:

I eat some cheese that is hormone and antibiotic free.

Regarding weight, I can't speak in kilos.  I'm 6' 1" and 194 pounds. A couple of years ago I was 180. I'm 54 and I really have to watch what I eat or I'll gain weight.

I used to eat cliff bars (a healthy energy bar) and dates. But they have too much sucrose. So I stopped eating them and rely on fruit when it comes to my sweet tooth. This has enabled me to lose a few pounds in a fairly short period of time.

Sucrose is fast metabolizing sugar and quickly leads to fat storage. Fruit (except dates) has fructose which is slower burning. Some would say that when you consume fructose you should consume some fat or fructose will be digested quicker than you can use it.

I guess eating helps my health. At the age of 54 I don't have any significant health issues. But there is more to it than what I eat. I've worked on myself spiritually and let go of psychological issues that caused me to have energetic blocks, and these energetic blocks led to issues such as lower back pain that I no longer have.

I have heard this to be true, as well. That high nutrition, low calorie intake will prolong life. Who really knows? I guess, people aren't an equation, but just people. I could become very annoying and start to question what exactly is life....and is that really life....to be semi-starving....but I won't, ha ha.

Focus27 wrote on Jun 18^th, 2012 at 1:08pm:

Here is a link for you Focus27:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqEVYbPw9lI

Actually I do. I support an off and on extreme fasting program for extreme life extension. The best part? The doctors are simply amazed at the amazing health readings every time I am tested. I will also be able to maintain a size 28 waist or less being incredibly small for a man.

Yes, I am hungry all of the time. But with strong will power it's possible to overcome this.

  I stopped eating beef and pork completely when 16 purely out of health reasons. 

  Later on, about age 21 i started to just find meat in general unappealing, and around that same time started to find out about the issues with factory farming--extreme animal cruelty, extreme pollution, etc. and the combo made it pretty easy for me to drop meat completely. 

  I was vegan for a couple months or so later on down the road, but didn't feel as healthy eating that way, so went back to my lacto ovo vegetarian diet, but sourced more responsible food in those areas (for example, i drink goat's milk, and it seems that goats tend to be treated much better than cows being more intelligent, rebellious but more sociable/friendly creatures and not as "mass produced" as cows).

   A couple of years or so ago, i started to eat a little fish occasionally.  Mostly just wild caught, Alaskan salmon.

   I've noticed various changes energetically and health wise since changing the diet.  Lately, i tend to be more and more attracted to eating more and more live, fresh foods--especially veggies and salads and easier to digest foods (which in some cases is cooked because in some cases cooking does make food easier to digest despite the enzyme depletion contrary to the raw foodist movements beliefs).  Plus i tend to eat less overall than i use to.

  Re: food and the enviroment, we live in a pretty unusual and unique time and cycle.  There is so much food out there that is so unnatural, so altered, and there is so much general pollution etc., that a clean diet is very univerally helpful for many both energetically and physically. 

  In the past, and maybe in the nearish future, these weren't and won't be such issues and so diet won't be as important, but for this extreme cycle i feel that it has a more universal importance if one wants to get as intune as possible in this life.

Not something a lot of people want to hear, for it requires self change, discipline, and perhaps for some or many, some sacrifice.  I don't think Yeshua's biblically sourced sayings apply as much in our times as in his, though of course it is still true that it's more important what comes out of the mouth/heart than what goes in, but now what goes in is also has some importance.  Also it's limiting to get too hung up on the outer forms and the material especially if it's at expense of the "Spirit of the Law". 

p.s.  I believe it's more important to listen to one's intuition and inner nudges as regards to diet and health lifestyle rather to make changes just based on the codified belief systems of others.  For some, health wise, some meat like fowl and fish especially may be helpful if it's sourced from a more ethical and healthy place.  Others can thrive with no meat and do better with none at all. 

  While there are some almost universals, it's also a very individual thing to, but i must say i strongly suspect that in a few hundred years or so, most everyone alive will eat vegetarian or vegan.

Focus27 wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 10:20am:


Since you must be very skinny I will call you f26.

F26: you are stupid and a liar.

Focus27 wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 10:24am:


You can do that by filling out a "Peer Moderated Forum" form.

see Leviticus 11 1/3, 11/9, 13/19, 21/22....God basically says, eat the meat because I put there for you to eat. Oh yea, a bowl of cereal in the morning is Ok to. Just don't harm the cereal.

Mogen,

The seven day reference and Adam and Eve are meant to be read as allegory - i.e. seven days may have translated over many years.  The entire Old testament is full of stories meant to shed light on the human condition, not by being read word for word, but by having their main gist or point "understood."

To interpret the bible literally is to miss the point.

M

Mogen,

I am familiar with his books.  You know I do agree with trying things out.  You do realize, don't you that in being "totally  satisfied" with one man's vision of the afterlife, you are buying into a belief system that his description is "the way it is," instead of exploring on your own - right?  Just saying so you don't lock in your beliefs based on any one mystic.........

I certainly don't use the Bible as a daily reference (I am not religious), but I wouldn't throw out its teachings either...

Please go away from this forum Doc.
Please!
Dont come back here anymore!!!!!!!

 

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