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The sense of vegetarianism
Jun 17th, 2012 at 9:07am
 
I became a vegetarian out of self interest. Pure self interest. Not for the love of animals or so.

The main reason why I stopped eating meat about three years ago was that my stomach felt so big and blown up after eating meat and it gave an unpleasent restless kind of drive down there. When I stopped that was all over. I felt much better. My sleep at night also improved.
The feeling when you have just had dinner and you feel like you have to start all over again as if you hadn't had anything at all. I guess it has to do with the insuline level, but the feeling was very uncomfortable. I was 49 when I stopped.

I stopped using milk as well. Instead I started to use soy drink. Because soy drink has added vitamine B12 and calcium. B12 is the only real reason why you need meat. All the other nutritions in meat can be found in vegetable products.
The soy drink I use has about 10 times the necessary daily amount of B12 per 100ml but it does not have added vit. D for better absorption by the body of B12.
I use about three to four glasses soy drink a day. That is about 600 to 800ml which is sufficient for my daily need of B12 and calcium.

So soy drink with added B12 and calcium is my key to having a healthy vegetarian diet.
I use it with oats and lemonade for breakfast and I heat it up in the microwave and mix it then with cocoa powder for a hot chocolate drink. If I drink it cold I would drink one after another.

But it did not help to loose weight. Another reason why I became vegetarian was that I wanted to loose weight. It didn't work.
Last September, 2011, things were going out of control. My body weight was getting too high. I have arthrosis in one knee and the other knee started to complain as well. I needed a walking stick to go to the supermarket around the corner.
So something had to change. Desperately.

I decided to stop having cheese on bread.
And that made the difference.
When I stopped with that my hunger prior to the meals got less. It made it easier for me to stop having calorie rich soda's and candy like chocolate bars prior to dinner. It enabled me to have enough on luke warm water from a thermos can between the meals.
So from October 2011 I really started to loose weight at a rate of about 1 kilogram per 10 days or two weeks and it didn't cost me any trouble of fighting feelings of hunger or starvation. I only got drowsy for a short while when my body switched over to the fat reserves.

Milk contains a substance that prohibits my body to switch to my fat reserves. Milk is meant for calves. They have to build up a fat reserve and grow fast. Adult people don't. They are full grown already.

I am so happy that I finally got the key to loosing weight that I would like anybody to know about that.
Of course not everyone's body is the same, but I am sure many people with overweight may have use from this advise: stop using dairy. No more milk, no more cheese, no more products with milk or cheese in it. So also no more pizza's and so if you want to loose weight without hunger.

In a period of about 6 months I lost about 16 kilograms, approx. 40 pounds. My BMI index is now in the green.
One thing is for sure: dairy will only come back by exception like on an occasional pizza.
When I stopped using cheese I also stopped having pyrosis, too much acidity of the stomach. That was also becoming a bit of an annoying part of my life.

I think loosing weight with a dairy free diet could also be done while you still eat meat, but I am not going to try that out.


What does vegetarianism has to do with the Afterlife?

Masters of the spheres of light are all vegetarian. Out of respect and love for the animal. So they eat fruit and vegetables. I understand they have much nicer fruit overthere then we downhere.

Anyway, I could still enjoy very much a nice medium red steak or a very greasy saucage with baked unions and curry sauce. It can water my mouth. But my awareness has grown that an animal should have died for that and that is less pleasant. Even more unpleasant, selfish as I am, my digestion would fall back immediately. Meat takes about three days to be digested and vegetables less then one.

So even though the temptation in my mind and my mouth are still there I will most likely not do it anymore, also because I want to tune up to the spheres of light. Those temptations always fade in less then five or ten minutes.
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Reply #1 - Jun 17th, 2012 at 12:32pm
 
I've been a vegetarian for about 25 years. The main reason is because I don't like how farm animals are raised.  I also believe that meat products can cause your energy level to go down. This is especially so if the meat that is eaten came from an animal that was raised in the cruel conditions that are very common for livestock. Probably about 65 billion animals are raised in cruel conditions each year. That's a lot of suffering souls.

When it comes to spirit beings, because they don't have physical bodies, they don't have to eat.
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Reply #2 - Jun 17th, 2012 at 12:42pm
 
I'd like to add that I take Vitamin B12 because a vegetarian diet doesn't include this Vitamin. I also take Vitamin D3 because no food contains this Vitamin. It is created when we are in the sun. People with a dark complexion have a harder time creating it. I'm have German and half Spanish, so I have an olive complexion and figure I need D3 more than others.

I eat Quinoa because it has all 8 essential amino acids. It is also gluten free. I eat Tempeh instead of Tofu because Tofu is the white bread of soy products.
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Reply #3 - Jun 17th, 2012 at 1:45pm
 
Hi recoverer,

It took me so long to become a vegetarian because my father was a butcher and I respected him very much.
Decisions are often made with the hart even if rationality would be better.

Conditions for livestock in the Netherlands are really terrible. Some farmers even want to build megabarns where they want to hold cows permanently. So the stock would not go out anymore at all. Chickenfarms and pigfarms overhere are also terrible. If television makers want to make a documentary about it they usually get no access to some of the barns. That should say enough.
The Netherlands is the most polluted country in Western Europe. The bio industry with too much livestock is responsible for that. Last year a report about that was published overhere.

The cocoa powder I use has added vitamins and minerals like vitamin D and magnesium. The lemonade I use also has added vitamins. I figure that covers enough.

For proteins and minerals I started to use legumes a few months ago. Cooked and prepared in little jars of about 230 grams. I use 100 grams a day and mix it through my food. According to official info 75 grams should be sufficient but it taste good and it also has much fibers. Brown beans, green pea, marrowfat pea, stuff like that. It does produce windyness but I don't mind that. It makes me feel like Arnold Schwarzenegger, like I could jump over houses with a little luck.
Using legumes instead of meat is also a real money saver.

Grease for baking is strictly vegetable and has omega 3 and 6. I use a lot of that.

I feel healthier then when I still ate meat.

I agree that your energy level can go down. Before I could never remember my dreams. Since I became vegetarian I could remember my dreams. I am happy with that. It brings you in contact with your subconscious and people from the afterlife can pass information through my dreams to me as well. But those people could also be from here on Earth, I don't know that for sure.
It is an interesting and valuable source of information for me anyhow.
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Reply #4 - Jun 17th, 2012 at 2:47pm
 
Here is a link to the pollution in the Netherlands
http://www2.natuurenmilieu.nl/nieuws/perscentrum/20111015-nederland-is-meest-ver...

but you need google to translate it
http://translate.google.com/
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Reply #5 - Jun 17th, 2012 at 4:41pm
 
Soy milk isn't all it's cracked up to be either. It's not a magical creation that is better than real milk. Simply a different option. Also soy milk has some bad parts and potential health concerns just like whole milk does.

Also the whole bread thing. Well, bread and other carbohydrates like pasta are not really important in your diet. For extreme life extension you want to keep yourself feeling very empty and hungry all of the time with an incredibly low calorie intake and high nutrient intake.
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Reply #6 - Jun 17th, 2012 at 10:10pm
 
Focus27 wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 4:41pm:
Soy milk isn't all it's cracked up to be either. It's not a magical creation that is better than real milk. Simply a different option. Also soy milk has some bad parts and potential health concerns just like whole milk does.

Also the whole bread thing. Well, bread and other carbohydrates like pasta are not really important in your diet. For extreme life extension you want to keep yourself feeling very empty and hungry all of the time with an incredibly low calorie intake and high nutrient intake.


With milk I would not have been able to loose 18 kilograms / 40 pounds.

Who wants to increase his or her life extreme?
Staying very hungry all of the time is such a stupid argument.
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Reply #7 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 3:29am
 
Recoverer,

I am a bit curious what vegetarianism has done to your body since it is doing so much good to mine.
There are different grades in vegetarianism, do you use milk and/or cheese?
Have you had problems with overweight before you became a vegetarian and if so and you don't use dairy, did the overweight dissappear overtime?
Is it easy for you to skip a meal?

I have lost 18 kilo but I want to loose an additional 8 or 9 to get to my ideal weight when I was around 21 years old. The first 18 kilo went very easy but my body is now more efficient with using the nutritions I eat. However, skipping my dinner does not make me hungry. It's quite easy for me to do so. I did that yesterday for the first time and I plan to do that about twice a week.
I am determined to get my weight down to where I want it to be.
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recoverer wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 12:32pm:
I also believe that meat products can cause your energy level to go down.


In the temples of Ancient Egypt novices and priests would joyfully starve themselves to increase their sensitivity.
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Reply #9 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 12:52pm
 
Personal choice is important. No need to produce guilt in people for making choices, or to imply that a person who eats any particular things is more or less spiritual than another person.

My own observation is that a vegetarian diet, or mostly vegetarian diet, with an emphasis on beans, vegetables and fruit, in all their many forms, produces clarity and health, for me. I would not presume to suggest that what is right for me is right for others.

There are a million ways to prepare these foods in delicious and appetizing forms. But, that takes education, and time, and ability.

I recommend it, the veggie way. But, I don't recommend attempting to be perfect. That doesn't seem possible, for this universe loves and embraces many creatures of many different habits, including us.
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Reply #10 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 12:56pm
 
Mogenblue:

I eat some cheese that is hormone and antibiotic free.

Regarding weight, I can't speak in kilos.  I'm 6' 1" and 194 pounds. A couple of years ago I was 180. I'm 54 and I really have to watch what I eat or I'll gain weight.

I used to eat cliff bars (a healthy energy bar) and dates. But they have too much sucrose. So I stopped eating them and rely on fruit when it comes to my sweet tooth. This has enabled me to lose a few pounds in a fairly short period of time.

Sucrose is fast metabolizing sugar and quickly leads to fat storage. Fruit (except dates) has fructose which is slower burning. Some would say that when you consume fructose you should consume some fat or fructose will be digested quicker than you can use it.

I guess eating helps my health. At the age of 54 I don't have any significant health issues. But there is more to it than what I eat. I've worked on myself spiritually and let go of psychological issues that caused me to have energetic blocks, and these energetic blocks led to issues such as lower back pain that I no longer have.
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Reply #11 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 1:08pm
 
It's not a stupid argument, it is just pointing out the fact that primarily water fasting for extremes combined with high nutrition low calorie intake will result in longer life and extreme hunger. I am simply pointing out the fact that you will be hungry.
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Reply #12 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 2:03pm
 
I have heard this to be true, as well. That high nutrition, low calorie intake will prolong life. Who really knows? I guess, people aren't an equation, but just people. I could become very annoying and start to question what exactly is life....and is that really life....to be semi-starving....but I won't, ha ha.

Focus27 wrote on Jun 18th, 2012 at 1:08pm:
It's not a stupid argument, it is just pointing out the fact that primarily water fasting for extremes combined with high nutrition low calorie intake will result in longer life and extreme hunger. I am simply pointing out the fact that you will be hungry.

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Reply #13 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 2:11pm
 
Hello isee and welcome on this forum.

You are right. Spirituality does not depend on ones diet.
Indeed food can be prepared in millions delicious and appetizing forms wether vegetarian or not. I experimented a bit a long time ago but most recipes are for four persons and you usually need quite a few different ingredients. Most of those ingredients are only used for that one recipe and that makes it a bit too costly for my taste.
So I focus on fresh and easy. I use fresh vegetables and have my dinner usually ready in less then 20 to 25 minutes.

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Recoverer, I am 6' 3" and currently weigh 198 pound. At my peak it was 238 pounds. Age 52.
I started to use fruit after I stopped with the last bit of cheese. I use one piece a day. Dutch food organizations recommend two pieces a day. One is better then nothing. It is supposed to be good for the elasticity of your vains.
When I was at my top weight I had varicose vein. I got elastic stockings for that. Now that my weight is back to healthy proportions that problem is gone. I don't need those stockings anymore.

I have to watch what I eat too. I can easily gain weight too. So I am happy that I don't feel hungry anymore. This makes it easier to switch to a habit of not eating and enjoying the meals that I do have so much more. I should learn to eat a little slower to enjoy the taste longer.

No more cheese really made the difference for me.

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Focus27, if you think it's not a stupid argument then why don't you choose to live longer and feel extreme hunger all the time?
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Reply #14 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 2:46pm
 
Here is a link for you Focus27:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqEVYbPw9lI
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