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Re: The sense of vegetarianism
Reply #15 - Jun 19^th, 2012 at 2:25am

recoverer wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 12:32pm:

When it comes to spirit beings, because they don't have physical bodies, they don't have to eat.

About food in the spheres of light.

Excerpt from the second volume of 'A View into the Hereafter' Chapter VI, section The fifth sphere, pages 186-187.
André visited Alcars house in the fifth sphere of light:

Now he saw how beautiful the fountain was. It stood on a beautiful pedestal within a basin where fish of various colours were swimming around. Here, in life after death, everything lived that was known in nature on earth. Man was one with the realm of plants and animals.
One in all. Beautiful flowers flourished around the fountain. How mighty this symbol of love was. He kept on crying out with amazement. Again Alcar showed him a spiritual marvel.
‘Look at this, my boy, take some of these fruits, they will strengthen you.’
André saw how everything within Alcar’s house formed a unity. Here he stood in the midst of nature. Everywhere fruit grew and flowers bloomed, in ineffable colours.
‘Go ahead, André, take some, they’re there to strengthen man.’
André picked a fruit. It was unbelievable, soft juice flowed into his mouth. It resembled an earthly peach, but this fruit was nothing but juice. He felt invigourated, he couldn’t find words to describe this.
‘We possess everything on this side. Why shouldn’t we have fruit too? I will show you even more wonders.'

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Reply #16 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 1:21am

Actually I do. I support an off and on extreme fasting program for extreme life extension. The best part? The doctors are simply amazed at the amazing health readings every time I am tested. I will also be able to maintain a size 28 waist or less being incredibly small for a man.

Yes, I am hungry all of the time. But with strong will power it's possible to overcome this.

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Reply #17 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 3:41am

Focus27, what is the use of getting so old?
Are you afraid to die? Are you clinging desperately to life?
Have you done such bad things that you don't want to end up on the other side?

In my opinion, when it's time to go, it's time to go.
Shake hands with grandad and all the others...

And apart from that, you are just a plain liar.

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Reply #18 - Jul 9^th, 2012 at 1:13pm

I stopped eating beef and pork completely when 16 purely out of health reasons.

Later on, about age 21 i started to just find meat in general unappealing, and around that same time started to find out about the issues with factory farming--extreme animal cruelty, extreme pollution, etc. and the combo made it pretty easy for me to drop meat completely.

I was vegan for a couple months or so later on down the road, but didn't feel as healthy eating that way, so went back to my lacto ovo vegetarian diet, but sourced more responsible food in those areas (for example, i drink goat's milk, and it seems that goats tend to be treated much better than cows being more intelligent, rebellious but more sociable/friendly creatures and not as "mass produced" as cows).

A couple of years or so ago, i started to eat a little fish occasionally. Mostly just wild caught, Alaskan salmon.

I've noticed various changes energetically and health wise since changing the diet. Lately, i tend to be more and more attracted to eating more and more live, fresh foods--especially veggies and salads and easier to digest foods (which in some cases is cooked because in some cases cooking does make food easier to digest despite the enzyme depletion contrary to the raw foodist movements beliefs). Plus i tend to eat less overall than i use to.

Re: food and the enviroment, we live in a pretty unusual and unique time and cycle. There is so much food out there that is so unnatural, so altered, and there is so much general pollution etc., that a clean diet is very univerally helpful for many both energetically and physically.

In the past, and maybe in the nearish future, these weren't and won't be such issues and so diet won't be as important, but for this extreme cycle i feel that it has a more universal importance if one wants to get as intune as possible in this life.

Not something a lot of people want to hear, for it requires self change, discipline, and perhaps for some or many, some sacrifice. I don't think Yeshua's biblically sourced sayings apply as much in our times as in his, though of course it is still true that it's more important what comes out of the mouth/heart than what goes in, but now what goes in is also has some importance. Also it's limiting to get too hung up on the outer forms and the material especially if it's at expense of the "Spirit of the Law".

p.s. I believe it's more important to listen to one's intuition and inner nudges as regards to diet and health lifestyle rather to make changes just based on the codified belief systems of others. For some, health wise, some meat like fowl and fish especially may be helpful if it's sourced from a more ethical and healthy place. Others can thrive with no meat and do better with none at all.

While there are some almost universals, it's also a very individual thing to, but i must say i strongly suspect that in a few hundred years or so, most everyone alive will eat vegetarian or vegan.

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Reply #19 - Jul 14^th, 2012 at 10:20am

I am not a liar. I support a unique eating habit. It's not a constant fast. It's an off and on fast. You can look it up on the internet, and yes, it is very healthy. Many doctors are finding out that fasting off and on is actually extremely healthy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermittent_fasting

The above practice is VERY HEALTHY. As long as you do it CORRECTLY.

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Reply #20 - Jul 14^th, 2012 at 10:23am

Focus27 wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 10:20am:

I am not a liar. I support a unique eating habit. It's not a constant fast. It's an off and on fast. You can look it up on the internet, and yes, it is very healthy. Many doctors are finding out that fasting off and on is actually extremely healthy.

Since you must be very skinny I will call you f26.

F26: you are stupid and a liar.

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Reply #21 - Jul 14^th, 2012 at 10:24am

Mogenblue wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 10:23am:

Focus27 wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 10:20am:

I am not a liar. I support a unique eating habit. It's not a constant fast. It's an off and on fast. You can look it up on the internet, and yes, it is very healthy. Many doctors are finding out that fasting off and on is actually extremely healthy.

Since you must be very skinny I will call you f26.

F26: you are stupid and a liar.

I would like to request that MogenBlue be reported for rude behavior.

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hawkeye Super Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 886 canada Gender:	Re: The sense of vegetarianism Reply #23 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 11:41pm nothing beats a good greasy burger with a large order of fries cook in lard. MMMMM yummy. Made good to eat, just the way God intended it to be.
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hawkeye Super Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 886 canada Gender:	Re: The sense of vegetarianism Reply #24 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 11:54pm see Leviticus 11 1/3, 11/9, 13/19, 21/22....God basically says, eat the meat because I put there for you to eat. Oh yea, a bowl of cereal in the morning is Ok to. Just don't harm the cereal.
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Reply #25 - Jul 31^st, 2012 at 1:42am

hawkeye wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 11:54pm:

see Leviticus 11 1/3, 11/9, 13/19, 21/22....God basically says, eat the meat because I put there for you to eat. Oh yea, a bowl of cereal in the morning is Ok to. Just don't harm the cereal.

I take it you refer to the third book of the Hebrew Bible.
I don't read the bible anymore. It's ancient and it starts with untrue.
God did not create the world in seven days.
Human life did not start with Adam and Eve.

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Reply #26 - Jul 31^st, 2012 at 10:46am

Mogen,

The seven day reference and Adam and Eve are meant to be read as allegory - i.e. seven days may have translated over many years. The entire Old testament is full of stories meant to shed light on the human condition, not by being read word for word, but by having their main gist or point "understood."

To interpret the bible literally is to miss the point.

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Reply #27 - Jul 31^st, 2012 at 12:48pm

DocM,

I have come to see religion and beliefs as a consumer good.
You use them as long as they are useful to you and as soon as it does not fit anymore you go for something else.
It may sound disrespectful but that is not how it's meant.

A wise man once said -try everything and behold what is good-. I stick to that.

If I should find knowledge that surpasses that of what I have learned from the books of Jozef Rulof I would throw away all those books, I have twenty four of them on a shelf, and accept the new thing. But I think that will not happen in my present life anymore.

I want my knowledge of the afterlife and the meaning of life up to date and as best as possible.

The books of Jozef Rulof have fully satisfied my curiosity and have answered all the questions I had about the afterlife, the meaning of life, our position in the universe and how I should continue my life.

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Reply #28 - Jul 31^st, 2012 at 1:49pm

Mogen,

I am familiar with his books. You know I do agree with trying things out. You do realize, don't you that in being "totally satisfied" with one man's vision of the afterlife, you are buying into a belief system that his description is "the way it is," instead of exploring on your own - right? Just saying so you don't lock in your beliefs based on any one mystic.........

I certainly don't use the Bible as a daily reference (I am not religious), but I wouldn't throw out its teachings either...

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Reply #29 - Jul 31^st, 2012 at 2:40pm

Doc,

I disagree with calling this knowledge the vision of one man.
The point of these books is that none of them were written by himself but by various Masters of Light. It was supervised my Masters of the highest sphere of light.

I have questioned myself in the past how to get good and reliable information about the afterlife.
I reasoned that if you listen to people on earth to what they have to say it is always their interpretation.
I accepted the afterlife because I had my spiritual guides who helped over some serious problems in my personal life.
Then I thought wouldn't it be nice if you could learn about the afterlife from the people that live there themselves?

The best knowlegde about the afterlife is straight from the people that live there.

That's what the books of Jozef Rulof have brought me.
Jozef did not write any of those books himself.
So it is not the vision of one man about the afterlife.

I have been very critical about what I read in those books. Especially 'The Origin of the Universe'.
But I came to the conclusion that what they had written there was the best I could think of and that there was nothing else here available that could surpass it. After my own personal evaluation I found it sound and solid as a rock.
Also my time was and is limited. I don't want to spend my time reading thousands of books and still end up knowing nothing. So I had to make choices.

If I would have to explore on my own what they wrote about the afterlife I would first have to wait until I arrive in the afterlife myself and then start exploring. It would take me hundreds of years if not thousands of years to reach the same level of knowlegde that I have gained with these books.

The Masters are all to well familiar with the reluctance here on Earth to accept them. They are very much aware that people here want to experience things for themselves. Their answer to that is that those people will just have to wait until they arrive in the afterlife to see for themselves.

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I find it essential to be able to let go of old beliefs to make way for the new.
I was raised in a Catholic family and I have experienced first hand the devastation of those dogma's in my own private emotional life.
My spiritual guides have helped me in ways that according to Catholic standards are rejectable or even downright evil. But it did help me to regain my strength and get me back on my own two feet again. The situations that made the significant changes in my life are still clear in my memory.

If they would help me like that again in a next life I could bear those sufferings of Catholic dogma's in my next youth again and come over it again. And then I would be ready again to work for the Masters of Light once again. Period.

In the Cosmology of Jozef Rulof Christ has said that His Blessing lies on this work and that He wants all people on Earth to be able learn about this too. Christ has also re-enforced this in the Cosmology.
It all makes good sense to me and in my private life I have also experienced in a certain situation what I call the help of Christ personally.

I am ready to go.
If you have any questions or wonderings regarding the books of Jozef Rulof I would like to invite you to register on my forum at http://www.mogenblue.nl/forum.
You are very welcome Doc. I have a heartbreaking shortage of serious members.

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