Pauli,

Most devout Jews and Christians see the Old and New Testaments as instruction and allegorical stories to learn about a way to live.  The few who take the stories as an unquestioned historical record miss the point.  The story of Adam and Eve has more to do with the fall of man from grace and the separation of man from God.  There is no where that I know of in Genesis that it is commanded that the reader accept the story as a historical document. 

If God is, as Don has put it a fundamental force which animates our being, and we are manifestations of the divine, insomuch as we allow entry of love into our lives and that is others, then yes - God created and continues to create man.

But your conception of a Judeochristian God and mine are very different.

M

Focus 27, that statement is nothing but ignorant, uneducated bigotry.  You have no clue about the rational grounds for the Christian faith, and so, you must simply pontificate that it must be true because of the strength of their faith.  I know of no Christian with that outlook.

Even Atheism is a belief system. What if being in the earth life system and getting stuck and retrieved, living in various focus levels, entering and exiting multiple lives here and there is all a part of a grand experience only our total self or I-There can fully appreciate? Being an atheist, Christian, Muslim, Pagan....it's all a part of the experience of being alive, aware, of being co-creators.

Maybe there are so many Christians because Christ really had something to say. He was able to perform miracles that for us Earthlings are impossible for the foreseeable future. He multiplied food, walked over water and his first miracle went to the joy of people: he multiplied wine. Who would not want to be able to do all that?

And yet with all his powers he preferred to have himself crucified instead of using his powers against other people.
That deed of love and devotion was never seen before.

Jesus was ready for his task when he came to Earth.
He had completed his evolution on this planet millions of years ago and had reached the All where he consciously reunited with God. Other souls from his time on Earth have also reached that, but Christ was the First.
Him being the First makes him special. That is what decided him and his fellow brothers in the All that he should return to Earth to do something to lift up the consciousness of us on this planet.

He knew what would happen to him. He was ready for that.
From my understanding we don't have to try to become as Him here on Earth because that is not part of the Divine plan for us.
We don't have to necesseraly let ourselves be killed but it is important that we do not kill ourselves.

He said that other people will come after him who will do greater things. Those people have been with us but we have to acknowledge them and open up to a new kind of understanding of the Afterlife and our position in the Universe.

We know now that life did not start with Adam and Eve. We know now that the Universe started with the Big Bang.
If Christ would have talked about the Big Bang 2000 years ago people would not have understood him. The conscious of the people was not ready for that yet.
Even in the Middle Ages you had to be careful with what you said. If Dante had spoken freely and written his Divine Comedy like he intended he would have been tortured to death. That was not worth it and the book would have been forbidden.

So Christians know that Christ is special. I believe in Christ too.
But I don't want to have anything to do anymore with the Bible or the Church. The Church is stuck in old dogmatic beliefs and is not open to new concepts about the Afterlife.

Very little data? Did I read that correct? "Very little data?"

I have read 'The Masters of the Far East' by B.T. Spalding. In the early 1900's or so he made a trip to the Himalaya and met with extraordinary masters overthere. He also met with Jesus.
If you don't believe that then that is up to you.

I have also read 'the Cosmology of Jozef Rulof'. In that epic work Rulof and his Masters were allowed an unprecedented and unique visit to Jesus in his own habitat the Seventh Cosmic Degree.
Again if you don't believe that then that is up to you.

And in the books of Rulof Christ is all over the place. He is considered by the Masters of Light the highest living human being in the Universe.

If you search better I have no doubt you will find more records that point to the existance of Jesus Christ.

But if you don't believe such records then what does it take to make you do believe?
Should Jesus appear in His own flesh and blood before your very eyes and lift Himself 3 foot up in the air before you would be convinced?
Huh???

[Focus 27:] There is very little data to back up that Jesus even existed! If you do your research you would find it laughable. Believing in Jesus is a belief in the existence of a human that could very likely be simply a story. The bible  and the original texts are literally the only direct referenced to Jesus in existence! Outside of that, each Jesus reference refers to these same texts and not in a way that he was directly seen/existed outside of these texts!
It's so funny!

What is "funny" or rather sad is how willing you are to pontificate based on poor research; yet you slam those you accuse of doing no research!  So I'm going to expose your ignorance with a few telling questions that I can answer, but you you cannot.  (1) What is the evidence for Jesus' existence from early non-Christian sources, including archaeology?  (2) How can Jesus' existence be definitively established by links with incontrovertible eyewitness testimony?  After the deafening silence of your inability even to articulate the historical basis for such claims, I will start a thread in the Religion section (where it is more appropriate) that refutes your claim.

Don

rondele wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

You are wrong.

Let me take a quote from someone perhaps Christian:

Alan McDougall wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 1:39am:


What puzzles me at this forum is that some people write forum posts as if they
have read absolutely nothing of Monroe's and Moen's experiences.

Instead there's some kind of religious belief, by Buhlman call unsubstantiated,
which doesn't seem to fit anywhere along the discoveries of Moen. Are those
books' experiences completely ignored? Is Moen talking to deaf ears? I just
don't get it.

Why?