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ottawa1 Junior Member Offline ALK Member Posts: 71	How many herebelieve consciousness survives death? May 20^th, 2012 at 11:37am Wondering how many here: 1) believe consciousnesses/personality survives death 2) have experienced something which you believe to be objective (not just some internal feeling) which leads you to believe that there is life after death Thank you for your replies.
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Reply #2 - May 20^th, 2012 at 3:53pm

Recoverer, can you expand on your experiences? I would be interested to know.

I have not had any personal experiences but can tell you that my mom (now 70) and her brother (now 74) together saw an apparition of the Virgin Mary when they were children. They were home alone a few years after WWII in a small town in Europe. My mom went to the kitchen to get more ink and saw the Virgin Mary (she had a veil on and hands clasped in prayer) floating along high up on the kitchen wall. She called my brother who came in and also saw the apparition.The apparition did not communicate with them and just proceeded to float across the length of the wall and disappear. My mom and uncle say the apparition was not fuzzy/blurry but as clear as a painting.

My mom and uncle were not religious when they saw the apparition-their mom was Catholic so the kids had seen painting of the Virgin Mary. Neither my mom nor uncle became more religious after this experience. They still wonder what it was all about and also wonder if there is a God, etc.

Based on this account, my mind is open to their being the possibility of an afterlife, where our consciousness continues to survive.

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Reply #3 - May 20^th, 2012 at 4:18pm

I've experienced the spirit World. On some occasions I did so in a way where I was absolutely certain of what I was understanding. I understood in a way that is beyond what our intellectual minds can figure out.

I've also communicated with spirits a lot. Such communication has taken place in a way where I know that more than my imagination was involved.

On some occasions I received information about things I didn't know about and was able to verify later. There were two occasions when I heard a voice say an Earthquake is going to take place, and then on each occasion an Earthquake took place.

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ottawa1 Junior Member Offline ALK Member Posts: 71	Re: How many herebelieve consciousness survives death? Reply #4 - May 20^th, 2012 at 4:36pm recoverer, would you say you are psychic/medium? I am curious as to how you received your communications-are they sounds in your head or images in your heard, etc?
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Reply #5 - May 20^th, 2012 at 4:54pm

I am not a psychic/medium. When it comes to receiving information from spirits, I do so in various ways. The main way is by being shown symbolic visual images. Sometimes this imagery comes in the form of a short waking dream (messages can also be received through regular dreams). Sometimes I'll hear a voice or receive thoughts.

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ottawa1 Junior Member Offline ALK Member Posts: 71	Re: How many herebelieve consciousness survives death? Reply #6 - May 20^th, 2012 at 7:08pm How do you know messages/voices come from spirits and not your own mind (ie subconscious mind)?
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Reply #7 - May 20^th, 2012 at 11:04pm

The issue is that you are looking for afterlife proof/evidence that is not internal.

The bottom line?

You are looking for proof of a metaphysical existence but so skeptical that you need practically a psychical manifestation of this meta-psychical existence in order to believe in it!

The only psychical proof of metaphysical existence is materialization mediums... and I don't recommend a belief in them. Leave belief in materialization mediums in Victor Zammits kooky hands.

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ottawa1 Junior Member Offline ALK Member Posts: 71	Re: How many herebelieve consciousness survives death? Reply #8 - May 21^st, 2012 at 6:30am Focus 27, what do you mean by metaphysical existence? How would the consciousness exist metaphysically after our bodies die?
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Focus27 Full Member Offline ALK Member Posts: 183	Re: How many herebelieve consciousness survives death? Reply #9 - May 21^st, 2012 at 7:23am Because of the alleged existence of "spirit"
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Reply #10 - May 21^st, 2012 at 12:30pm

I have had spiritual guidance ever since I left my parental home.
For my first two jobs they showed me in advance where I would come to work. I was very skeptical about it but when it happened I had to admit that the visions and information were true. Such experiences have happened on different other occasions as well.

It´s impossible for me to convince another person because in the end it´s only my words that I have to give, and the information I received was always meant for me personal.
It did help me to accept that there is life after death. The visions that were given to me stood bright in my memory like the light of a lighthouse at night. Personal memories of my own experiences in the past tend to fade away quite easily, but the visions I was given remained very bright for a very long time.

In the early years I never knew who gave that information to me. They considered that not important. On some occasions they really had a hard time convincing me of what was about to happen because of my reluctance and skeptiscism to accept it. But they told me, they showed me, and they let me feel it on various different occasions. It was absolute impossible for me to deny the information that was given to me.

Later on, after my 40th, I got the notion that my grandfather from my mother´s side was talking to me when I received some info. I never knew him in person, he was already dead when I was born, but I recognized him from pictures I had seen.
He never gave a clear picture of himself when he talked to me, I only more or less sensed it was him. That´s a matter of sensitivity. But he too gave some info of things to happen in the near future, less then two years ahead or so, and those things also came through.

My granddad is a fine man, I hope he does well on the other side.
I´m sure he does, actually.

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ottawa1 Junior Member Offline ALK Member Posts: 71	Re: How many herebelieve consciousness survives death? Reply #11 - May 21^st, 2012 at 1:26pm Mongeblue, very interesting. Is it possible for you to describe what you "see" or sense when such communication is coming your way that you perceive to be coming to you from some other entity, and not from your own subconscious? Thanks.
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Reply #12 - May 21^st, 2012 at 1:29pm

Ottawa:

I briefly answered your question on an earlier post. I'll add that when I communicate with spirits I often feel a presence. I can sense that a presence is there. When I communicate with friendly spirits I feel love, peace and expansiveness. There have also been occasions when I felt the bad vibes and bad intentions of an unfriendly spirit.

In a way communicating with spirits is more certain than communicating with people because there is more of a mind to mind connection.

ottawa1 wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 7:08pm:

How do you know messages/voices come from spirits and not your own mind (ie subconscious mind)?

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Reply #13 - May 21^st, 2012 at 2:56pm

ottawa1:

Like recoverer says, I feel a presence too when a spirit communicates with me.

Examples:
For my second apartment after I left home I received a view inside the home to the backside windows of it. When I was looking for a new home some time later I got into that home I recognized the view and decided that that was the home I had to choose. I lived there for more then fifteen years. But be aware, even though I recognized the view I was still in my own right and freedom to reject the home and go for another place.

They really worked on me for my second job.
I first had an interview in a building with a view on the building where I would later come to work. When I was left alone during that talk I heard a voice near me saying if I could believe that I would come to work there. I frankly answered no, because it was a big international company and I believed my qualities were not good enough for that.
I took on a temporary job somewhere else and about four months later I was invited for a talk with that company. When I drove up there with the building in sight I again heard the voice to me in a kind of teasing way asking me if I believed it now. I said no again, because having a talk is still not having a job.
Later when I was working there on trial and was left alone the voice asked me: well?
Well, I said they were right but that I still had the possibility of rejecting the job and go for another job. But it would kind of childish to reject a job only to prove a spirit wrong for his information. I worked there for more then three years and had a great time overthere.
Also, some time later he pointed me towards a person with whom he said I would get very big problems. I was reluctant, but went up to him to shake hands with him. He was new at that time. Later on I indeed got into very big problems with him.

So they can talk to me, they can show me related images, they can connect in my dreams to convey anything they want and they can also send a blip of energy into my aura which converts to an idea as soon as I pick it up.

I have another post on this forum called: overhere, this way is up! It's in the visitor's links forum. I originally had a different name for that but when I was able to post on that forum I received such a blip and it converted to the name I used. I really like the title. It's short, smart and catchy.

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Reply #14 - May 21^st, 2012 at 3:07pm

When it comes to the presence, there have been times when a spirit being decided to appear to me with a human-like image, even though such a spirit doesn't actually look like a person. Nevertheless, I could sense that the non-physical person I was looking at is a conscious being, not just a lifeless appearance.

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