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Reply #30 - May 26th, 2012 at 9:11am
 
ottawa1 wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 4:13pm:
Focus27, but the problem with medium messages is that we do not really know whether the medium received the message from the deceased OR whether the medium picked the info up from minds of the living. For example, perhaps the mediums use psi abilities to get info on the deceased from some living person (not even necessarily the sitter) to pick out exact names, cause of death, etc.



This is why the medium must report that the television was moved and the spirit does not like it being moved. If you can trust that the sitter did not even ever consider it than how can this be reading the sitters mind?

I do not think you really read and understood my earlier example......
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Reply #31 - May 26th, 2012 at 9:23am
 
Supposedly there have also been reports of mediums contacting a dead spirit and the sitter did not even know the person was dead.

Kind of hard to imagine the medium is using psi abilities to read the sitters mind when the sitter did not even know xxxx person was dead..... no?
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Reply #32 - May 26th, 2012 at 9:37am
 
I had a medium reading in which it seemed like we were done. The medium suddenly smiled.

I asked what? What is it?

She said all spirits leave a little differently. When this spirit left, she sang.

Singing was a solid hit as me and the dead woman always sang. She would pick me up and we would sing in her car together before I was able to drive.
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Reply #33 - May 26th, 2012 at 1:18pm
 
I understood your message-the example you give about the moved television is a good one as it would be difficult to believe that the medium simply used psi from living persons to deduce that the spirit did not like the tv being moved, unless the deceased person when alive told a living person they didnt like the tv being moved so the medium picked this info up from the living person...but that is quite the stretch.
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Reply #34 - May 26th, 2012 at 1:20pm
 
[quote author=6F464A5C5A1B1E290 link=1337528247/31#31 date=1338038588]Supposedly there have also been reports of mediums contacting a dead spirit and the sitter did not even know the person was dead.

'yes, if such things happened then another good example of info being picked up from the living via psi being an unlikely explanation.
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Reply #35 - May 26th, 2012 at 2:59pm
 
Regardless as to the afterlife also... I wanted to say....

Let's simply assume for my point that mediums are using mind reading....

Sounds pretty supernatural... doesn't it?

Sounds like something beyond what normal science accepts... doesn't it?

So if you can actually read minds... Who say's the afterlife should be a concept thrown out the window?


THINK ABOUT THAT!!!!!
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Reply #36 - May 27th, 2012 at 12:06am
 
...yeah...no.
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Reply #37 - May 27th, 2012 at 6:29am
 


"So if you can actually read minds... Who say's the afterlife should be a concept thrown out the window?"

Good point.



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Reply #38 - May 27th, 2012 at 11:44am
 
One other final thought that is truly interesting. Think about the way mediums claim to work, they claim to contact spirit and receive messages.

Now, people on here often talk about speaking with spirit yourself, which involves the same basic concept of hearing the dead within your own mind.

Now, the medium you are sitting with, they have no connection with the spirits of loved ones you lost.

Perhaps the spirit you are wishing to contact MUST travel through you first before the message will reach the medium! In this type of scenario, your own mind is just as important as the mediums ability to perform a reading. Going to the medium with cloudy thoughts or doubts is just not the way.

We need to visit a medium with a calm, clear mind, focused on what we wish to achieve. Not a mind filled with fears, panic, and expectations.

Only then can we trust that the medium can even do they're job, which is, in fact, simply providing the messages the spirits are trying to tell US anyways.

I watched what I believe was an infrared camera or something like it. IT showed color coming from the sitter moving to the medium. This to me helps verify my theory on how mediums really work.
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Reply #39 - May 28th, 2012 at 1:24pm
 
usetawuz wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 12:06am:
...yeah...no.


...sorry, I meant "yeah!"
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Reply #40 - May 28th, 2012 at 1:40pm
 
Focus27 wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 11:44am:
One other final thought that is truly interesting. Think about the way mediums claim to work, they claim to contact spirit and receive messages.

Now, people on here often talk about speaking with spirit yourself, which involves the same basic concept of hearing the dead within your own mind.

Now, the medium you are sitting with, they have no connection with the spirits of loved ones you lost.

Perhaps the spirit you are wishing to contact MUST travel through you first before the message will reach the medium! In this type of scenario, your own mind is just as important as the mediums ability to perform a reading. Going to the medium with cloudy thoughts or doubts is just not the way.

We need to visit a medium with a calm, clear mind, focused on what we wish to achieve. Not a mind filled with fears, panic, and expectations.

Only then can we trust that the medium can even do they're job, which is, in fact, simply providing the messages the spirits are trying to tell US anyways.

I watched what I believe was an infrared camera or something like it. IT showed color coming from the sitter moving to the medium. This to me helps verify my theory on how mediums really work.


Interesting concepts, Focus.  My mediums have described what they are doing is (in contacting passed loved ones) going through their own guidance and contacting the dead person "over there".  And while "over there" is really "right here", we have no capability to see or hear them, unless we have developed the same senses our medium has.

Our guidance, our past life egos, are apparently all right here with us...there really isn't a "there" as we are all right "here", divided solely by our contractual amnesia and incarnate focus in the third dimension and their energetic existence and larger perspective and understanding of our purpose to remain focused here.

 


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Re: How many herebelieve consciousness survives death?
Reply #41 - May 30th, 2012 at 11:39am
 
Focus27 wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 2:59pm:
Regardless as to the afterlife also... I wanted to say....

Let's simply assume for my point that mediums are using mind reading....

Sounds pretty supernatural... doesn't it?

Sounds like something beyond what normal science accepts... doesn't it?

So if you can actually read minds... Who say's the afterlife should be a concept thrown out the window?


THINK ABOUT THAT!!!!!


I agree!

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