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jdee190 Full Member Offline ALK Member Posts: 131	Views on Jesus Christ? Apr 4^th, 2012 at 12:33pm What is all your views on Jesus? Especially approaching the most holy weekend of the Christian calendar. I am Catholic so believe he is the Son of God and the ultimate teacher. However I dont like alot of the things the church teaches in his name. I thought Jesus said 'love everyone' ?
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a channel Ex Member	Re: Views on Jesus Christ? Reply #1 - Apr 4^th, 2012 at 1:02pm What does it matter what we think? I think and know there is a difference between believing in a religion, and knowing something as true based on experience and direct guidance. You have brought up JC and religion plenty of times here, just go and read the old threads relating to JC and religion to see what we think.
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jdee190 Full Member Offline ALK Member Posts: 131	Re: Views on Jesus Christ? Reply #2 - Apr 4^th, 2012 at 1:09pm Cool, I was just wondering. I know there are a few Christians here who believe in a loving, non judgemental God. I love that.
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Reply #3 - Apr 4^th, 2012 at 1:15pm

jdee190 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2012 at 1:09pm:

Cool, I was just wondering. I know there are a few Christians here who believe in a loving, non judgemental God. I love that.

Interesting. Not long ago, you said that you greatly fear Jesus. If God is Loving and non judgmental, then wouldn't JC be too? So do you fear God and Jesus, or do you love hearing about how Loving and non-judgemental they are, or you just can't make up your mind?

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Reply #4 - Apr 4^th, 2012 at 1:17pm

Whatever the case, I don't believe that one needs to feel uncomfortable about Jesus. The fact of how some people do feel uncomfortable about him shows that fundamentalism really got wrong.

I don't mean to compare Jesus with Bruce Moen one way or the other, but does anybody feel uncomfortable about Bruce? If not, then perhaps there is no need to feel uncomfortable about Jesus.

Jesus: "I found out about unconditional love. It's a wonderful thing."

Fundamentalist: "I'm afraid of you and will worship you so you don't send me to hell for all of eternity."

Jesus: "Uh--that's not what I meant."

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Reply #5 - Apr 4^th, 2012 at 2:11pm

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jdee190 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2012 at 1:09pm:

Cool, I was just wondering. I know there are a few Christians here who believe in a loving, non judgemental God. I love that.

Interesting. Not long ago, you said that you greatly fear Jesus. If God is Loving and non judgmental, then wouldn't JC be too? So do you fear God and Jesus, or do you love hearing about how Loving and non-judgemental they are, or you just can't make up your mind?

You are correct, I do greatly fear that that God and Jesus are judgemental and I greatly fear hell. I would just love to believe that there is a loving God and no hell, but I fear I will go hell for doing so.

Oh man, my head is really messed up.

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Reply #6 - Apr 4^th, 2012 at 2:42pm

The main thing to do is trust your common sense and heart. It's only a collection of thoughts that are based on somebody else's misunderstandings that are causing you to feel afraid. Notice that you feel afraid only when you listen to the thought patterns that are based on the false beliefs.

jdee190 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2012 at 2:11pm:

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jdee190 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2012 at 1:09pm:

Cool, I was just wondering. I know there are a few Christians here who believe in a loving, non judgemental God. I love that.

Interesting. Not long ago, you said that you greatly fear Jesus. If God is Loving and non judgmental, then wouldn't JC be too? So do you fear God and Jesus, or do you love hearing about how Loving and non-judgemental they are, or you just can't make up your mind?

You are correct, I do greatly fear that that God and Jesus are judgemental and I greatly fear hell. I would just love to believe that there is a loving God and no hell, but I fear I will go hell for doing so.

Oh man, my head is really messed up.

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Reply #7 - Apr 4^th, 2012 at 4:56pm

recoverer wrote on Apr 4^th, 2012 at 2:42pm:

Notice that you feel afraid only when you listen to the thought patterns that are based on the false beliefs.

Jdee,

I agree with what Recoverer said here and I will also add that you seem to focus on the negative points of certain beliefs to the point where you seem to ignore any positives that come from them.

From experience I know that in one day 9 good things can happen and 1 bad thing happens, but the bad thing ruins the day and the good things are forgotten about due to this.

The trick is to see the good things that have happened too and then the day isn't so bad after all.

I hope this makes sense to you as it's the only way I could think of describing it.

Andy

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Reply #8 - Apr 4^th, 2012 at 5:47pm

JDee,

We create our own hells, and it is up to you to lose your fear of it. Let me ask you something - do you have free will right now? Can you choose to help someone or harm someone? Of course, you can.

Free will is ours here and now in the physical world. Why would it then by different just because you don't have a body (after death)?

No, what many don't "get" is that those who go to hellish planes after death do so because that is where there consciousness is most comfortable. Sounds crazy right? But actually, after death, all pretense is stripped away. So people follow what they truly love, without regard for society or appearance. Those who like to dominate or harm others gravitate toward a hellish plane where this is enacted out again and again. To us, to anyone outside of it, it is a hell. To them, it is where their mind wants to be.

The subconscious mind is like a garden, and whatever seeds you let sink deep into your subconscious flower into thoughts, loves, fears and then express themselves in the real world. We are meant to learn this while alive. That we attract into our lives that which we deeply believe (the good and the bad). By choosing our thoughts, and learning about the process of thought creating reality, we are meant to learn to navigate through life and move toward love.

So don't be afraid. No one will decide where you go but yourself.

As to JC, I believe that he was a role model for what each incarnate human can accomplish if we follow the path of love. He tells his followers that all can accomplish what he did.

Matthew

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jdee190 Full Member Offline ALK Member Posts: 131	Re: Views on Jesus Christ? Reply #9 - Apr 4^th, 2012 at 8:28pm Once again I thank you all for your replies, you are truly good people. Recoverer and Andy you are probably right, it is more of a mental problem than anything.
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olinerum Junior Member Offline ALK Member Posts: 60 Poland Gender:	Re: Views on Jesus Christ? Reply #10 - Apr 5^th, 2012 at 11:14am Loving one another as oneself This is the most important sentece which was said. We shoud live like that. Easy ? No, hehe Feel the pain of life and live with respekt to every one. JCh is the God and Creator of Gods. Greets
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Reply #11 - Apr 5^th, 2012 at 12:54pm

I don't know if I should share this, Justin believes that Jesus is the He/She that Robert Monroe speaks of in his book Ultimate Journey. I don't know if this is true.

This morning I was meditating and I saw and felt something coming out of the Earth. At the same time I received the words "He/She came from the Earth. Then I heard a voice say, "It's a fact."

This might relate to the Gospel of John words that say, "He (Jesus) came into the very World he created." (I don't remember the exact words.)Perhaps a being created this World. The World's energy and consciousness comes from the being that created it. Then the Soul of He/She came from the energy of this Earth. Source of the World, the World, and He/She, there is a possible close relationship.

I don't know. I haven't figured out what precisely the message I received meant.

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a channel Ex Member	Re: Views on Jesus Christ? Reply #12 - Apr 5^th, 2012 at 4:37pm Interesting experience Albert. Thank you for sharing it.
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Reply #13 - Apr 8^th, 2012 at 3:37pm

DocM wrote on Apr 4^th, 2012 at 5:47pm:

JDee,

We create our own hells, and it is up to you to lose your fear of it. Let me ask you something - do you have free will right now? Can you choose to help someone or harm someone? Of course, you can.

Free will is ours here and now in the physical world. Why would it then by different just because you don't have a body (after death)?

No, what many don't "get" is that those who go to hellish planes after death do so because that is where there consciousness is most comfortable. Sounds crazy right? But actually, after death, all pretense is stripped away. So people follow what they truly love, without regard for society or appearance. Those who like to dominate or harm others gravitate toward a hellish plane where this is enacted out again and again. To us, to anyone outside of it, it is a hell. To them, it is where their mind wants to be.

The subconscious mind is like a garden, and whatever seeds you let sink deep into your subconscious flower into thoughts, loves, fears and then express themselves in the real world. We are meant to learn this while alive. That we attract into our lives that which we deeply believe (the good and the bad). By choosing our thoughts, and learning about the process of thought creating reality, we are meant to learn to navigate through life and move toward love.

So don't be afraid. No one will decide where you go but yourself.

As to JC, I believe that he was a role model for what each incarnate human can accomplish if we follow the path of love. He tells his followers that all can accomplish what he did.

Matthew

Hi, just read this again. What shapes your belief? Study , experiences?

Thank You

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Reply #14 - Apr 8^th, 2012 at 10:27pm

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You are correct, I do greatly fear that that God and Jesus are judgemental and I greatly fear hell. I would just love to believe that there is a loving God and no hell, but I fear I will go hell for doing so.

Oh man, my head is really messed up.

Hi Jdee,

You also dismiss/ignore almost everything anyone writes to you, so what do you get out of asking these questions? I, personally, reached out to you and was ignored several times. Logically, it makes no sense for me to even bother posting this message. I don't get the impression you care to learn or expand your understanding about any of these topics, so what's the purpose? What need does it fill for you? That's rhetorical.

Kind regards,
mj

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