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Where exactly is/are the Afterlife realms situated
Mar 25th, 2012 at 11:00pm
 
Hi all,

I know Bruce has written books on the topic, but I have not read them because they are unavailable in South Africa.

My questions to the forum are

The afterlife do you think it is?

Somewhere in our physical universe say a paradise planet?

In an alternate universe?

In other dimensions,  there must be countless?

In nonphysical timeless spiritual realms of light?

Where God exists our Father who art in Heaven?

Pleased add your ideas knowledge!
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Reply #1 - Mar 26th, 2012 at 1:07am
 
Alan McDougall wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 11:00pm:
Hi all,

I know Bruce has written books on the topic, but I have not read them because they are unavailable in South Africa.

My questions to the forum are

The afterlife do you think it is?

Somewhere in our physical universe say a paradise planet?

In an alternate universe?

In other dimensions,  there must be countless?

In nonphysical timeless spiritual realms of light?

Where God exists our Father who art in Heaven?

Pleased add your ideas knowledge!
Alan



Alan@said..."I know Bruce has written books on the topic, but I have not read them because they are unavailable in South Africa."

So why are they unavailable in South Africa, Alan? Have you heard of Amazon and other book buying sites? Or, are you playing your silly mental illness dysfunctional games again?
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Reply #2 - Mar 26th, 2012 at 1:45am
 
Karma Lars, 

   Alan has stated openly here that he has been diagnosed with mental illness. If what he has stated is true, then it's not something to make fun of, belittle, or degrade him for. 

  People don't generally, consciously "choose" to be mentally ill.  Often, though not always, it's related to severe body imbalances. 

Sometimes it's related to "possession". 

  In any case, why not have compassion for people that have such issues instead of making fun of them?   How does that "help" them? 

  You are setting up quite some karma for yourself. 

 

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Reply #3 - Mar 26th, 2012 at 4:41am
 
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Karma Lars, 

   Alan has stated openly here that he has been diagnosed with mental illness. If what he has stated is true, then it's not something to make fun of, belittle, or degrade him for. 

  People don't generally, consciously "choose" to be mentally ill.  Often, though not always, it's related to severe body imbalances. 

Sometimes it's related to "possession". 

  In any case, why not have compassion for people that have such issues instead of making fun of them?   How does that "help" them? 

  You are setting up quite some karma for yourself. 

 

 


What the hell does my bipolar illness have to do with this topic, most bipolar people have brilliant advanced intellects, and I am one of them if you get to know me.Do you want me to leave the forum, this type of hurtful personal comment is just the impenitence I need to do it!!

Those who have known me for years on this forum will vouch to my sanity

Please guys address the topic!!

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Reply #4 - Mar 26th, 2012 at 1:10pm
 
Hi Alan, that's not what i was saying at all--i definitely don't want you to leave or anything like that.  I apologize for partaking in derailing your thread.  I spoke up as i did because i didn't like KarmaLars snarky, mean spirited comments towards you and i was hoping i could reason with him. 

  To answer your original question, my experience is that the "afterlife" is situated within in the Whole of Consciousness.  We can use a metaphor to better understand Consciousness. 

  This metaphor is "frequency, wavelengths, or vibratory rates".  All is Consciousness and all is connected and One, even the "physical".  The difference between that called "physical" and that called "nonphysical" is the frequency or rate of vibration of the two.   Physical is a very slow vibratory "level" within the Whole of Consciousness and the "nonphysical" levels are generally faster vibratory than the physical.

  Another way of saying it is, that physical is consciousness with the most limitations of perceptions and most "rule sets" which were pre set up for our benefit.   In the nonphysical, so called, the only rule set which applies universally to all is that of "Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like."

  This Law and reaction means that in the nonphysical, conscious Consciousnesses naturally and innately gravitate to being in "proximity" as far as awareness and interaction with like Consciousnesses on a similar "frequency". 

  However, the more expanded or "faster vibratory" Consciousness and levels can freely interact with the less expanded and slow vibratory levels and Consciousnesses, but NOT the other way around--meaning the slower vibratory Consciousness cannot "go" or rather experience and perceive the more expanded and faster vibratory levels, until it has changed within itself to match or attune to those "frequencies" or "vibratory patterns".   

  However, in our "Earth" dimension and level of reality, it is unique because it's a "free for all" with interaction.  We have some of the most expanded consciousnesses here and some of the slowest vibratory and most narrow/limited consciousnesses here and they can interact more directly with each other. 

  When we fully wake up, by and through completely attuning to PUL, the separation and illusion of the "barriers" between so called "physical" and "nonphysical" melt away and one's perceptions encompass the Whole again, for we truly are little aspects of Source (aka God) alive and aware in all levels of consciousness.
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Reply #5 - Mar 26th, 2012 at 2:13pm
 
KarmaLars wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 1:07am:
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So why are they unavailable in South Africa, Alan? Have you heard of Amazon and other book buying sites? Or, are you playing your silly mental illness dysfunctional games again?


Karmalars,

Was it really necessary to quote Alan's entire post and then copy and paste one line out of the post quoted too?

Are you playing your silly mental illness dysfunctional games again?  Wink

Andy

P.S. Sorry for going off topic Alan I feel this reply was necessary if that helps.
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Reply #6 - Mar 26th, 2012 at 2:46pm
 
It is my present belief that the 'afterlife' is a part of you now, that it is inside of you. If, after this life, you find yourself in a position to be 'aware' -- you may ask for all that is good and you will find it. That is my understanding, from where I stand, and nothing more.
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Reply #7 - Mar 26th, 2012 at 4:24pm
 
As the non-physical is non-physical, there may not be a "place" in our physical sense for the afterlife. I think one person had the experience that the persons I-There was surrounding the physical world, probably all physical worlds, as there seems to be plenty.
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Reply #8 - Mar 27th, 2012 at 5:29am
 
PauliEffectt wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 4:24pm:
As the non-physical is non-physical, there may not be a "place" in our physical sense for the afterlife. I think one person had the experience that the persons I-There was surrounding the physical world, probably all physical worlds, as there seems to be plenty.


The Below might be relative to the topic!

Frederick Myers
According to Frederick Myers,

Stage one is the Earth dimension. As soon as the Earth experience has been thoroughly comprehended – either through reincarnation or through the exchange of experiences with others in other dimensions – the soul may proceed to dimensions beyond the reach of the material dimension.


Stage two is called the Intermediate Realm or Hades. This is the spiritual condition which is referred to in the ancient religious traditions as "hell." This is the realm where all must go upon experiencing the Earth realm. Here, memories of our entire past lives flash before us. Whether or not this experience is "hellish" depends upon the memory of the particular person. If it contains sinister episodes and terrifying experiences, these will drift by the person's vision along with the more joyful happenings.

Some persons begin at this stage to feel what is called "the Earth pull, the birth pull" and the person may decide to return to stage one, the Earth realm. For others, stage two is brief and is followed by entry into a more stable world which is stage three, the Realm of illusion.

Stage three The Realm of Illusion is a dimension where things may be created with the mind and shaped by the direct action of the imagination. Though a person may linger in this stage for undeterminable period of time, an eventual decision must be made. The soul either returns to Earth or progresses to stage four. Before leaving, however, the more enterprising souls may have an opportunity to experience one of the great wonders of this dimension of consciousness – a tour through some section of "The Great Memory." Just as on Earth, one may go to a library and see newsreels of important Earth events of history, so, in stage three, one may witness any event that occurred from the beginning of human experience. Everything that has ever happened has been recorded by the Cosmic Memory.

Stage four is the Realm of Color. This dimension is an indescribably lovely existence. Here one must leave behind all rigid intellectual structures and dogmas, be they scientific, religious, or philosophical. An infinite variety of new sounds, colors and feelings are experienced here and souls find a much wider freedom to function with highly energized intellect and spirit. If, in this dimension, the soul becomes free from the Earth pull, it is qualified to experience cosmic ranges beyond Earth's confines, such as the next dimension.

Stage five is the Realm of Flame. In this dimension, the soul acquires a body of flame, enabling it to tour the stellar universe without being harmed by its temperatures and turbulence and to return with a fuller experience of these cosmic reaches.

Stage six is the Realm of Light. Souls in this dimension are matured spirits, having lived through, with conscious comprehension, all the aspects of the created universe. They are capable of living now without form, of existing as white light in the pure thought of the Creator. They have joined the immortals, thus fulfilling their final purpose of the evolution of consciousness.

Stage seven is the Realm of Timelessness. In this dimension, souls enter full partnership with God. This dimension is of an advanced spiritual nature, so close to the ultimate essence of creativity that no adequate vocabulary has yet been evolved to describe it, and hence it is difficult to communicate to Earth-level beings.
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Reply #9 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 2:01am
 
Alan McDougall wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 4:41am:
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Karma Lars, 

   Alan has stated openly here that he has been diagnosed with mental illness. If what he has stated is true, then it's not something to make fun of, belittle, or degrade him for. 

  People don't generally, consciously "choose" to be mentally ill.  Often, though not always, it's related to severe body imbalances. 

Sometimes it's related to "possession". 

  In any case, why not have compassion for people that have such issues instead of making fun of them?   How does that "help" them? 

  You are setting up quite some karma for yourself. 

 

 


What the hell does my bipolar illness have to do with this topic, most bipolar people have brilliant advanced intellects, and I am one of them if you get to know me.Do you want me to leave the forum, this type of hurtful personal comment is just the impenitence I need to do it!!

Those who have known me for years on this forum will vouch to my sanity

Please guys address the topic!!

Love

Alan




OK Buddy! I'll play your sanity game! You posted this just last month on another Forum I'm a member of. Maybe you can give Justin some tips on his "Savior Complex".
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=222613
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Reply #10 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 4:35am
 
KarmaLars wrote on Mar 28th, 2012 at 2:01am:
Alan McDougall wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 4:41am:
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Karma Lars, 

   Alan has stated openly here that he has been diagnosed with mental illness. If what he has stated is true, then it's not something to make fun of, belittle, or degrade him for. 

  People don't generally, consciously "choose" to be mentally ill.  Often, though not always, it's related to severe body imbalances. 

Sometimes it's related to "possession". 

  In any case, why not have compassion for people that have such issues instead of making fun of them?   How does that "help" them? 

  You are setting up quite some karma for yourself. 

 

 


What the hell does my bipolar illness have to do with this topic, most bipolar people have brilliant advanced intellects, and I am one of them if you get to know me.Do you want me to leave the forum, this type of hurtful personal comment is just the impenitence I need to do it!!

Those who have known me for years on this forum will vouch to my sanity

Please guys address the topic!!

Love

Alan




OK Buddy! I'll play your sanity game! You posted this just last month on another Forum I'm a member of. Maybe you can give Justin some tips on his "Savior Complex".
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=222613


I think you should remain in that forum and get off this one You know nothing about bipolar illness that was an informative post and has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

I have been a member of this great forum for about seven years now and think I am a valuable member who has contributed much towards the success of this forum

Your nasty sneaky remarks are not welcome here leave ASAP so that we can breath some fresh air again

Justin is a very nice guy and you are most definitely not.

I have posted the very same history of my bipolar illness on this forum and will post where, when and how I like without asking trouble seaking people like you!

Again stick to the topic
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Reply #11 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 4:41am
 
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Hi Alan, that's not what i was saying at all--i definitely don't want you to leave or anything like that.  I apologize for partaking in derailing your thread.  I spoke up as i did because i didn't like KarmaLars snarky, mean spirited comments towards you and i was hoping i could reason with him. 

  To answer your original question, my experience is that the "afterlife" is situated within in the Whole of Consciousness.  We can use a metaphor to better understand Consciousness. 

  This metaphor is "frequency, wavelengths, or vibratory rates".  All is Consciousness and all is connected and One, even the "physical".  The difference between that called "physical" and that called "nonphysical" is the frequency or rate of vibration of the two.   Physical is a very slow vibratory "level" within the Whole of Consciousness and the "nonphysical" levels are generally faster vibratory than the physical.

  Another way of saying it is, that physical is consciousness with the most limitations of perceptions and most "rule sets" which were pre set up for our benefit.   In the nonphysical, so called, the only rule set which applies universally to all is that of "Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like."

  This Law and reaction means that in the nonphysical, conscious Consciousnesses naturally and innately gravitate to being in "proximity" as far as awareness and interaction with like Consciousnesses on a similar "frequency". 

  However, the more expanded or "faster vibratory" Consciousness and levels can freely interact with the less expanded and slow vibratory levels and Consciousnesses, but NOT the other way around--meaning the slower vibratory Consciousness cannot "go" or rather experience and perceive the more expanded and faster vibratory levels, until it has changed within itself to match or attune to those "frequencies" or "vibratory patterns".   

  However, in our "Earth" dimension and level of reality, it is unique because it's a "free for all" with interaction.  We have some of the most expanded consciousnesses here and some of the slowest vibratory and most narrow/limited consciousnesses here and they can interact more directly with each other. 

  When we fully wake up, by and through completely attuning to PUL, the separation and illusion of the "barriers" between so called "physical" and "nonphysical" melt away and one's perceptions encompass the Whole again, for we truly are little aspects of Source (aka God) alive and aware in all levels of consciousness.


I am really sorry I reacted the way I did I can see you are a nice person and we dont need a nasty person like KarmaLars

The very next time he offends someone I will pertition for him to be banned

Great post I agree with all that you have stated it fits what I believe exactly

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Reply #12 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 10:36am
 
  Hi Alan,

No problem and apology completely accepted.  I know that the real you, your Soul, didn't mean it anyways. 

  I  have become quite used to the majority of those around me misunderstanding and misperceiving me.  The psychic Reading i had with Linn Conyers a couple of years ago, well her guidance strongly emphasized how much others tend to misunderstand me (which when i read that at the time, i nearly broke down and cried because in the past it has caused me a lot of emotional pain). 

  Btw, speaking of psychic readings, you may be interested to know, that when you did those readings for various members of the group some years back, and you seemed really off in my reading, because in relation to me you saw a person playing piano and at the time i thought that didn't apply at all.

  Well, i since found out that maybe it did apply and that it was an indirect hit of sorts. At the time you did that reading, there was a person really in my "psychic space", who really disliked me, was obsessed with me, followed me around from one site to two others stalking me. 

  I eventually found out the very specific identity and name of this person, and guess what?   He plays piano and quite often, quite enjoys it and even has a band in which he plays the piano. 

  So, him being so much in my psychic space at the time, i'm not surprised that you got what you got in relation to me.  Actually, your reading was one little piece of the puzzle that helped me to better figure this out, using a combination of my intuition and intellect.   

   A belated, Thank you.
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Reply #13 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 11:53am
 
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  Hi Alan,

No problem and apology completely accepted.  I know that the real you, your Soul, didn't mean it anyways. 

  I  have become quite used to the majority of those around me misunderstanding and misperceiving me.  The psychic Reading i had with Linn Conyers a couple of years ago, well her guidance strongly emphasized how much others tend to misunderstand me (which when i read that at the time, i nearly broke down and cried because in the past it has caused me a lot of emotional pain). 

  Btw, speaking of psychic readings, you may be interested to know, that when you did those readings for various members of the group some years back, and you seemed really off in my reading, because in relation to me you saw a person playing piano and at the time i thought that didn't apply at all.

  Well, i since found out that maybe it did apply and that it was an indirect hit of sorts. At the time you did that reading, there was a person really in my "psychic space", who really disliked me, was obsessed with me, followed me around from one site to two others stalking me. 

  I eventually found out the very specific identity and name of this person, and guess what?   He plays piano and quite often, quite enjoys it and even has a band in which he plays the piano. 

  So, him being so much in my psychic space at the time, i'm not surprised that you got what you got in relation to me.  Actually, your reading was one little piece of the puzzle that helped me to better figure this out, using a combination of my intuition and intellect.   

   A belated, Thank you. 


Hi I know who you are now and why you knew about my illness, I posted an account of it on this site some years ago. I am again sorry for my outburst because I did not know how you could be aware of my bipolar illness

I know that I have genuine psychic abilities unlike the countless money grabbing frauds out there now mainly charging for their lies on the internet to poor gullable people

This new member (KarmaLars)  seems to fit almost exactly with that person who is following you from site to site?

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Reply #14 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 12:31pm
 
  Hi Alan,

  Yes, this is Justin from back then, my birth name.  I made a recent tag name change.

  RE: KarmaLars, i don't think he is the same individual as i talked about in the above.  K.L. seems to be an equal opportunity basher and insulter of others, while this other man was quite fixated on me.  This other man has a different vibe, overall more positive than K.L.  In many respects, this other man is a fine man, but because of past life stuff and become of outside influences and me personally disagreeing with his beliefs and perceptions, he came to really, really dislike and obsess about me. 

But yes, it seems in your reading, you picked up on him, which again is quite interesting, because i have asked the Divine Forces to shield me from interfering outside influences or people trying to psychically gain info without my consent and like i said, he was REALLY in my psychic space at the time and he was posting on this site when you did your readings for the group.

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