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Good idea, Justin, the toning it down.  Like letting others post without fear of your jumping in and pointing out at length how misguided and unenlightened they are, unlike yourself.  I'm really sorry you chased b2/given off this time; I have always enjoyed her posts and insights.  I'm also sorry that you have recently belittled and attacked Vicky.  Fortunately she isn't leaving; I value her posts--unlike the vast majority of yours and the negative and stifling effects they have on other forum members.

Conversations with some people who come to this board don't feel like exhaanges of ideas. The FEEL like interacting with someone described here:

"Narcissists are people who cover up feelings of shame and worthlessness inflicted during their own screwy childhoods by doing whatever it takes to maintain a false sense that they are very special and therefore not bound by ordinary rules. This requires them to surround themselves with people who will constantly pump them up by agreeing with them about everything. In narcissism talk this is called feeding their grandiosity.

Here is the short explanation for why they act like this: Narcissists essentially live in a world that is one person big because they never fully outgrow a phase of infantile behavioral development in which baby thinks he and Mommy are the same person. Therefore, when a brilliant, charming, elegant and grand narcissist honors you by allowing you entry into his or her very elite cadre, it is kind of like being annexed by an imperialist country. Your borders have now been erased. The subtext of all future interactions will be: What’s mine is mine and what’s yours is mine. Welcome to a world where there is no you! When you are with a narcissist, their needs must become your needs. Its not enough for a narcissist to be the center of his own world, he must also be the center of yours. Your job is to serve as admiring audience or vent for his anger, Fan Club President or Incompetent Maid. If you are not mirroring him or praising him, you are proving you are a separate person and thus a threat."

this is from
http://merrillmarkoe.com/enough-about-you-my-explanation-of-narcissism


i realize that I don't know anyone personally I've only met one person from here besides Bruce, so I can't say this is what it is, but I am saying that this is how some of the interactions make me feel. These is something going on beneath what is said, a dynamic that goes beyond what the words are.

I have an acquaintance who others say is bipolar. He is moody, but when he is on the "up" side, he will go on and on about certain topics. He sounds like the authority on those topics. It ca be politics or economics or health supplements. It is not a conversation. On the oher hand if you cross him when he is in a bad mood, he can go on and on about that too. Some of these conversations here FEEL like that to me. 

the way this board feels sometimes happens from time to time and I think we need a better way to address it.

I have separate ideas. I can agree to disagree but I cannot blindly follow. yes, where is the line between being balanced and strongly believing something and understanding that an opposite position may also have value, or believing your way is the only way and anyone who disagrees is wrong?

Pat E. wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 1:47am:


   Pat, if you read Given's replies to me carefully, you will see that she was trying to "teach" me, which is fine and i don't mind one way or another personally, but i disagreed with what she was trying to teach me and stated why.  She is not direct and blunt like me, true to her Cancerian Sun and female nature, she is indirect in how she approaches things.  In her indirect way, she implied that i needed "healing".

  Regarding "driving her away", this is complete b.s. as she has a long history here of getting offended by various others, and leaving for a time, then coming back, and the whole cycle goes on again. 

Last time when she left, it HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ME, but because a spammer posted an offensive picture of a woman.  The person who did so, was clearly a spammer and not a real nor serious member here.  Funny that you all forget this and solely blame me. 

  Her lack of ability to keep her emotional center and truly tolerate and accept others and the paths they are on, is not my fault nor doing, and i will not take responsibility for her leaving just because i disagreed with her and pointed out that her way was too Yin for me. 

  Re: meditation, i did ask, and i heard back, "be gentle with those who need it, and be firm with those who need it." 

  Re: "attacking" Vicky..  Attack and attacking are mighty strong words.  I disagreed with Vicky and with her beliefs and perceptions.  Beliefs are not "sacred" to me and if someone states beliefs on a forum they are open to being disagreed with.  It is NEVER personal for me when i do so.  It's not about the person, but if someone is spreading limiting beliefs, such as there is no strong hindering forces to worry about, i will disagree and explain why i do so.

  It's funny that a number of you folks cannot keep it about the information, but have to focus on how narcissistic, bad, etc. i am.   Why, because you can't take someone clearly, and with holistic logic challenging your precious beliefs and perceptions.    I am not so attached to beliefs and perceptions and don't get emotionally upset just because someone else shares a different one than mine. 

  If i am correct about this negative E.T. group, and there are many reputable sources that back up my own guidance and messages on this, then there is a lot more at stake here with humanity than debating and differences of beliefs and perceptions. 

  My Teacher used debate in his times to cut through limiting beliefs and perceptions, but like with me, it wasn't personal for him and he didn't do it just to be an argumentative pain in the butt, but to teach a higher way and give broader, more freeing perspectives.

 

Because this is a conversation board, it's instructive to check the meaning of this word.  Per Wikipedia:

<<Conversation is a form of interactive, spontaneous communication between two or more people who are following rules of etiquette.>>

<<Conversations follow rules of etiquette because conversations are social interactions, and therefore depend on social convention. Failure to adhere to these rules devolves, and eventually dissolves the conversation."

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Vicky wrote on Mar 29^th, 2012 at 10:20am:


  Hi Vicky, i have come to think that i spoke too strongly to you earlier and should have spoke more gently.  Yes, you did not technically say there are no hindering forces to worry about, but you expressed frustration with how some here go into talking about these, about the differences between lower and higher beings, etc. 

  Also, i understand that you were speaking of just your own personal experience, but if people come here and they read the following quotes from you, " Quote:


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  I have no problem with you, your beliefs, or your experiences, but when you say things like the above, people and especially newbies to this whole "psychic" perception and experience thing might think, "oh wow, there's no reason to use discernment in relation to one's sources of psychic information." 

  Because, you have really over simplified the matter based on your experiences and perceptions. 

  There is an impersonal, Universal Law found in many different teachings, called slightly different things, but i prefer, "Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like".   

  I figure you are a pretty positive and loving person Vicky, and i figure a lot of your insights probably do come from your higher self, but clearly, if you study psychic phenomena in a more impersonal and universal sense, you would understand and realize that this does not always apply. 

Even Bruce's work contains a little about this, when he talks about a psychic lady whose "guide" "Sean", was not really a guide but a negative imposter and was having a negative, and draining affect on her.  Yet, she refused to see that her attachment to her "guide" was not helping her in the least bit.  These things are more common than you may realize.   

  I don't think this world is ok, and one of the reasons why this world is not doing ok, is because we deal with outer interferences.  "Sean" though and those like him, are the least of our worries as my guidance messages and Expanded Guidance has informed me.  These mischievous, discarnate former human folks masquerading as "guides", etc. do not have the kind of power, influence, and negative affect that the negative E.T. group i've been informed about does. 

  Again, i disagreed with you not because i have any personal issue with you, your experiences, beliefs or perceptions but because i have learned that people really need a better understanding of that Universal Law of Like attracts, begets and resonates with Like, especially in the area of psychism and "getting guidance".   

  I don't take things personally Vicky, and it's not about "me" when i disagree with your or others about these kinds of beliefs and perceptions.  If you and others meditated and sought higher guidance, and asked about my intentions then you might see that more clearly and directly. 

   I apologize for speaking too strongly to you earlier--it was never my intent to hurt or upset you.  While for a man, i'm unusually intouch with my "Feminine" side, you have to realize that i'm still in a male body and tend to be more cerebral, direct, matter of fact, impersonal and about the "info" and less emotionally sensitive than many women tend to be. 

  One of the common issues between women and men, are their different approaches and that more men actually tend to like intellectual debate, intellectual sparring, and can disagree with others without taking it personally or becoming emotionally upset.  Sometimes i forget that more women tend to have a different attunement and tend to be more emotionally centered and don't tend to enjoy debate like us men tend to. 

Perhaps this is why i was told when relaxing last night, "be gentle with those who need it and be firm with those who need it"? 

  Hi Bardo,

I also took it to guidance and was told, "be gentle with those who need it and be firm with those who need it"

  I guess it's saying that i should modify the approach depending on who i'm talking to and addressing more directly.  If you feel like sharing what you got, that's fine, also fine if not.

I'm still very much a work in progress, as no doubt you received from higher guidance.

Recoverer,

I agree too.  And since I haven't had any personal experience with unfriendly beings and ET groups, I don't talk about such things.  And I wasn't talking about that from the beginning.  I was simply stating how I personally receive and perceive my own psychic guidance.  I said that I don't experience it as coming from a being, or being questionable as to whether it was good or evil.  I just don't see why every topic needs to come down to being about psychic information coming from an entity or being.

It seems that that's a topic that's been talked about to death.  I made my first post about what I wanted to talk about, and Justin has gotten enough attention about his beliefs. 

Maybe I should start my own thread about the simple nature of everyday psychic ability and how it seems to work, and how the average person can learn about it.  I wonder if anyone would be interested in just that...without it having to go into a debate about the fate of mankind and the evil-doing of ETs who are bent on corrupting it. 

Justin:

Praying Mantis? I don't remember that at all. Is it possible that you have someone else in mind?

The closest thing I've experienced with bugs is that one time I was meditating and I suddenly found myself on this planet that was inhabbited by intelligent insect like beings and they didn't seem positive. They definitely weren't my guides.

I have had experiences with aliens that felt positive.