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Re: If a tree falls in the woods does the Psychic know
Reply #30 - Mar 26th, 2012 at 1:51am
 
Justin, I'm with Vicky on this.  You seem to feel the need to take over every thread and conversation on this forum to go on at great length about your views, the fact of your being a chosen one, yada, yada, yada.  I seldom read your repetitive preachy posts any more.  It is so much calmer when you leave for awhile and other people can write calmly and explore topics without your telling us all how it really is, according to you, and how inadequate and misguided we all are.  Maybe you should leave for an extended time and write your book.  Then you can tell us where to get it (or not) and those who are interested in what you have to say can read it there.
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Reply #31 - Mar 26th, 2012 at 2:09am
 
Pat E. wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 1:51am:
Justin, I'm with Vicky on this.  You seem to feel the need to take over every thread and conversation on this forum to go on at great length about your views, the fact of your being a chosen one, yada, yada, yada.  I seldom read your repetitive preachy posts any more.  It is so much calmer when you leave for awhile and other people can write calmly and explore topics without your telling us all how it really is, according to you, and how inadequate and misguided we all are.  Maybe you should leave for an extended time and write your book.  Then you can tell us where to get it (or not) and those who are interested in what you have to say can read it there.


   Pat, i originally got involved with this thread based on Vicky talking about psychic perception in a certain way, and i pointed out that our perception can expand much more beyond what is considered normally human, if we attune to PUL. 

   My reply was relatively short.  She wrote a long, "preachy" reply to mine. 

  Then i started writing long preachy replies in return.  Meanwhile, David "implied" i was berating and denigrating.  I tried to explain what i was really doing and where i was coming from.   A whole lot of preaching going on on all sides, and still yet.   Wink      

  Alas, i don't think most people here will understand where i'm coming from, and choose to only see ego, etc here.   Vicky just "Excommunicated" me officially after being friends, (having my tele #, email, etc) for some 7 years (hey, a full cycle...).

  Surely, your PUL sides are showing so strongly and wisely, and never would i or will i become so intolerant of any of you. 

  I will debate with you, point out where i agree and disagree, but i will not attach, negative, fixed labels to you, nor use manipulation tactics, nor tell any of you basically, "i can't stand you anymore, so get out of my (our) face." 

  If you feel so strongly about this, you, Vicky, David, and others can pass around the collection plates, go to Bruce and have me permanently banished.  Perhaps Bruce will be sympathetic to your gripes and complaints, after all, i have spoke on some of his limited beliefs as well. 

  It's only the truth, in communication, which hurts or bothers. 

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Reply #32 - Mar 26th, 2012 at 10:16am
 
   I've considered that perhaps i have focused too much on the subject of hindering forces, and too intensely so, here lately. 

   I've also considered that perhaps it was a mistake to go into the awareness of my role in the plan, and to talk openly of that.  Not because it's not true, but because it's only natural that others would think me egotistical, unbalanced or the like for such perceptions, and thus not listen to my deeper messages which are more important. 

  However, i have an ironic observation along these lines.  Someone else besides me has come to you and has repeatedly tried to raise awareness regarding hindering forces.  This person has not made any claims for self, except that he communicates with very expanded, aware, and Love attuned levels of Consciousness. 

   This has not changed the fact that the majority here don't listen to him, oft have debated or argued with him, and occasionally take personal pot shots at him when he only ever tries to keep it impersonal and about the data. 

   He also has asked people to go within and try to hook up to expanded guidance to get info directly about it.
I've seen plenty of instances of downright anger and intolerance of him on part of some of you in the past, and yet no high or unusual claims about self. 

  I guess this leads me to consider, it's partially about automatic and unconscious reactions in relation to fundamental interaction.   
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Reply #33 - Mar 26th, 2012 at 1:44pm
 
Living in this physical World is different than living in the spirit World. In the spirit World the nature of another being becomes quite apparent. A being of light will radiate lots of love. Therefore, it is apparent that such a being is worth listening to.

Trying to figure out what somebody is like while reading what he (or she) said either in a book or on a forum is quite a different thing.  A lot of people get away with presenting themselves in a way that doesn't accurately reflect what they are about. Unfortunately many people make the mistake of turning such misleading people into authority figures.

Because of the above I believe it is best to not set ourselves up as an authority figure. Just say what we have to say and if people like it then they do, if not, then they don't.

Being commited to the greater good doesn't mean that we have to go to extremes in order to get others to understand what we are tyring to share. Because this physical World isn't like the spirit World we have to find an approach that works.  This World requires an approach that includes moderation, partly because overzealous false teachers have made people weary of overzealous people. Plus, if a person has the inner yearning, a willigness to become aware of something, a moderate approach to reaching out to such a perrson will probably work. An overzealous approach might turn him off.

I don't mean to suggest that all overzealous people have bad intentions. It is more of a matter of their not understanding how to manifest their good intentions in an effective way that will work for whoever is interested.
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Reply #34 - Mar 26th, 2012 at 2:16pm
 
Thanks for taking the time to reply Recoverer and Justin, I can make more sense of it now.

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Reply #35 - Mar 26th, 2012 at 2:30pm
 
You're welcome.

Andy B wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 2:16pm:
Thanks for taking the time to reply Recoverer and Justin, I can make more sense of it now.

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Reply #36 - Mar 27th, 2012 at 9:20am
 
recoverer wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 1:44pm:
Living in this physical World is different than living in the spirit World. In the spirit World the nature of another being becomes quite apparent. A being of light will radiate lots of love. Therefore, it is apparent that such a being is worth listening to.

Trying to figure out what somebody is like while reading what he (or she) said either in a book or on a forum is quite a different thing.  A lot of people get away with presenting themselves in a way that doesn't accurately reflect what they are about. Unfortunately many people make the mistake of turning such misleading people into authority figures.

Because of the above I believe it is best to not set ourselves up as an authority figure. Just say what we have to say and if people like it then they do, if not, then they don't.

Being commited to the greater good doesn't mean that we have to go to extremes in order to get others to understand what we are tyring to share. Because this physical World isn't like the spirit World we have to find an approach that works.  This World requires an approach that includes moderation, partly because overzealous false teachers have made people weary of overzealous people. Plus, if a person has the inner yearning, a willigness to become aware of something, a moderate approach to reaching out to such a perrson will probably work. An overzealous approach might turn him off.

I don't mean to suggest that all overzealous people have bad intentions. It is more of a matter of their not understanding how to manifest their good intentions in an effective way that will work for whoever is interested.


   Albert, i agree that moderation and balance is often preferable, and for many of the same reasons you listed above, but the whole situation is far more broad and complex than just the above. 

  We now have a "moderate" President, one who gives off a certain appearance, who talks in a calm, clear, rational manner.  Does this make him "positive", does this make him for the people?   No, he is a puppet who plays his manipulating role well to fool others.

  I would prefer a real President, one not concerned with presenting a certain IMAGE to manipulate others with, someone who can get fiery and worked up about the problems of the world.  Someone actually REAL.  I will NOT play the politician.  We have had far too much fakeness in both the political and New age arenas. 

  Fake Gurus often put a false, spiritual smile on their faces and speak to others in a "spiritual manner" and act on the surface in order to hook and manipulate people, to get them to look past their rotten core.  I will NOT play the fake Guru. 

    Our Teacher was REAL--he did not have much concern for the conventions of society or any spiritual "image", and while he was often "moderate" and balanced in his approach with others, he also used, tapped into, and displayed Fire to make points.  Are you wiser than he and his example?

   We live in extreme times, a cycle of much change and transformation.  Related somewhat to our times, is an interesting excerpt from the Cayce work from Expanded Guidance on "Noah" and his times. 

"The deluge was not a myth (as many would have you believe) but a period when man had so belittled himself with the cares of the world, with the deceitfulness of his own knowledge and power, as to require that there be a return to his dependence wholly--physically and mentally--upon the Creative Forces.
    Will this entity see such again occur in the earth?  Will it be among those who may be given those directions as to how, where, the elect may be preserved for the replenishing of the earth?
  Remember, not by water--for it is mother of life in the earth--but rather by the elements, fire."  Reading 3653-1

   Does the above sound "moderate" and balanced to you?  Does it sound like the Creative Forces always are moderate and balanced in their dealings with Earth and with humans?  Sounds like a cleansing Fire is coming.

   And when will you actually, really believe the Creative Forces about the above?  Does it have to smack you in the face for you finally to really believe?  There are times to speak and act strongly, to be Fire, and this IS that time, for there is not much time left before the above unfolds.

   Speaking strongly, directly, and more dramatically impresses words/info more strongly on the minds and memories of others because emotion reaches people more than does intellect.  It's not about them "believing" in us or our words now, whose minds are we changing?  We can speak moderately, softly, till the cows come home, but most here and there will not HEAR us, unless their is enough openness within THEM to begin with.

  No, this is a preparation for later.  When people see these events unfold, then will they hearken to our words and remember the things we have told them about the hindering E.T.s, about examples coming forth, about the importance of Yeshua, etc.  This is why i have been directed to speak more plainly and strongly to others.  It is as emotional preparation for later and is necessary. 

  I speak on his authority, and his authority is greater than all of our authorities combined.   We have to turn over apple carts, make waves, speak strongly, impress our words into the minds and hearts of others. 

  Just as difficult, challenging, and extreme things and catalysts must and will happen in the outer world, so too must friction and challenge happen in interpersonal relationships, communication, and interactions.  It's one of the more effective ways to break through into the protected shadow aspects and levels of others.  It's a teasing of that junk, out into the Light of day, so that it can be worked on consciously. 

  Related to this very process.  In some ways, i was glad and proud that Vicky spoke to me the way she did, for despite that it partly being motivated by emotional uncenteredness, it's shows that she's growing and is taking the advice and preparation of her guidance.  Her guidance has been trying to get her out of her introverted shell.  She tends to care far too much about what others think of her and tends to act, or rather not act, from that space too often. 

She is in the process of integrating her own Yang and Fire side and her guidance is trying to push and nudge her in various different ways.  This is why i spoke to her as i did, despite that i knew how she would probably react and feel towards me and that there would be some temporary emotional turmoil involved.  I am proud that she spoke up so strongly and bluntly towards me, it shows progress on her path back to completion. 

   There are different kinds of growth Albert, and not just the surface ones of trying to convince others with moderate, INTELLECTUAL, balanced messages and sharing of "data". 

  But yes, we live in unusual and extreme times, and much is changing and much more will change.  Certain messages need to get out there and moreover they need to be impressed on the minds and especially hearts (emotional, emotions) of others as a preparation.  Nonphysical guidance tries to tell them things, but often when it comes to do with things people really emotionally DON"T WANT TO HEAR, they block out that info. 

  It is easy to block out nonphysical guidance at times.  Hence, sometimes expanded guidance has to "resort" to speaking through channels on the Earth whose voices and interaction cannot be so easily ignored. 

   Speaking of which, you are afraid of power.  You are afraid of the power within you especially. You are afraid of power because you have seen power so misused so often in this Earth and you really disagree with and dislike that.  Power is just that, power.  It is neither constructive, nor non-constructive in and of itself.  It's how you use it and especially your intent which matters the most. 

  Like you, i use to be afraid of power, because like you i've mostly only seen non-constructive examples wherein people misused power in relation to others and i really don't agree with or like that.  I was afraid of and repressed the power within myself, for fear of becoming like that. 

However, through focus and study on one of the few people in the Earth who tapped into much power and who always used it constructively, i've begun to understand that power in and of itself is not harmful intrinsically.  I've started to get over the fear of my own power and using same.  I'm in the process of not repressing it, but opening up to it. 

  Likewise, must you do similar, and i have full faith in you and that when you fully open up to the power within, you will channel it constructively and with positive intent.  That power is Fire in it's very essence, and Fire contains A LOT of energy potential and transformative power. 

   Real power, real authority is something we earn and which is handed to us from authority greater and higher than ourselves.  This is the meaning of that phrase and title, which means "anointed".  This is the meaning of the dove descending on Yeshua, and the voice which spoke, "this is my Son in whom i am well pleased with".  Once he got to a certain point in his growth and attunement to Love, he was 'chosen' by an authority greater than him, to be the mouthpiece in the Earth for that highest authority.

  Perhaps related.  Tom Campbell has written that the old Big Cheese has recently been replaced with a new Big Cheese.  Who puts a Big Cheese in that position to begin with, anyways?  Who invests such authority and power to an individual?   Why would an individual even be invested with such authority and power to begin with?   

   
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Reply #37 - Mar 27th, 2012 at 12:19pm
 
Justin, et al,
I have been out of touch and have not been following this thread.  But allow me to say that from the outside, and just coming into this thread, it seems as if something has occurred to agitate you. I hope it is nothing too serious, but the vibe is really devisive. At least that's how it seems in a review of the entire thread. What's up?
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Reply #38 - Mar 27th, 2012 at 12:57pm
 
Bardo wrote on Mar 27th, 2012 at 12:19pm:
Justin, et al,
I have been out of touch and have not been following this thread.  But allow me to say that from the outside, and just coming into this thread, it seems as if something has occurred to agitate you. I hope it is nothing too serious, but the vibe is really devisive. At least that's how it seems in a review of the entire thread. What's up?


  Hi Bardo, i felt pretty calm writing the above, intensely focused yes, but calm. 

   Regarding my earlier emotion on this thread, this was due to a recent dream experience i had in relation to interaction with Bruce Moen and my conscious wondering off and on, if i should go more into Becky and my experiences regarding a hindering E.T. group.   

  I've talked about this experience and dream a few times now.  It was one of the realest feeling and most vivid dreams i have ever have, so much so, i though i was in the current Earth and that i was "awake" in same. 

  A knowing came to me when i first thought that, and told me, no, this is a possible future reality on earth.  Then later, at the end of the dream, i understood that this was the future reality if enough people didn't wise up to the plans, efforts, and intentions of a hindering E.T. group and not enough people tried to counter balance them.   

   Becky and i were walking around and seeing a really screwed up Earth.  People seemed more like zombies than people in that they were extremely unconscious, only concerned about physical survival and most people were destructive and selfish in nature.   More over, there was just an overwhelming feeling of intense, collective suffering. 

  I became extremely upset in the dream, and the last scene that i remember in the dream, is me looking into the dark woods and up into the sky and quite literally screaming with all my force at that E.T. group and vowing that i will do everything i can to prevent that future possibility from unfolding.   

   Remember, i had this dream after specifically wondering if i should tell Bruce more about our experiences and perceptions about this E.T. group, their efforts, plans, etc. 

  I heard nothing back from him.  A day or two later, i had a dream wherein i was viewing Bruce and i together and we were sharing mutual positive, Love oriented energy with each other.  It was warm, affectionate feeling, but during this, Bruce fell asleep.  I didn't understand why he fell alseep and i tried to wake him.  He would not wake up. 

  I knew that the dream was telling me that Bruce was unconscious to this E.T. group and on some level didn't want to be.   

   I feel a sense of urgency about this issue because more or less expanded guidance has shown me that we are on a precipice in our collective growth cycle, where real crisis can unfold unless we who are aware and care, do our parts to try to facilitate conscious awareness of this issue. 

   Things will not just "magically work out" and we are not going to magically ascend into the 4th and 5th dimension like many New Age and channeled sources have said, and almost assured us.  Our growth to the future that Bob Monroe saw some 1500 years from now, will take work, effort on part of all of us more aware and who care about humanity in more universal and PUL kind of way. 

   There doesn't seem to be too many voices and sources of late, which are more credible, which are trying to raise awareness of the above issue.   Rosalind McKnight in her guidance sessions with Bob Monroe and Expanded Guidance, outlined a bit about this issue and that eventually there is going to be an out and out war with this group around the 2500 mark.

  But there is very much a war going on now, a spiritual and belief system war of influencing perceptions, to influence and create limiting belief systems.  Many New Age (and religious and other groups and) sources are being influenced by that above group, and the best way to spread false and limiting belief systems, is to use partial and half truths. 

  One of their favorite means is to promote belief systems and approaches that incline us to being too over Yin and passive.  Ah, you don't need to worry about this world or Consciousness growth, cause hey, this life is a personal vacation and you have all the time in eternity to get things right.  This is something even our own Bruce Moen here believes and promotes, and he doesn't realize that it's been whispered into his sensitive mind (and bought, hook line and sinker), not by "guidance" but by this very clever and very psychic hindering E.T. group. 

  And unfortunately, being in a position of authority and influence, being "Bruce Moen", people tend to take his perceptions and beliefs too much to heart without discernment or discrimination. 

  The Expanded Guidance that i communicate with, is concerned about humanity, these influences, and how things may go here.  They are Yang and active in trying to get out messages about this issue, but right now, there are too few channels to work with because there is so much potential fear involved with become aware of and speaking out about this issue. 

  This is where my earlier emotion came from, but it wasn't meant for any specific individual, just a temporary frustration with how this process is so far going.   I am human, i feel emotions, and i'm not going to pretend to be something i'm not.  Many "teachers" in this world put on an act and pretend to be more positive, aware, and loving than they really are, and they do this to hook people.  Me, i prefer to be real and sincere and to speak my heart and mind plainly and directly, especially when larger issues that affect everyone are at stake. 
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Reply #39 - Mar 27th, 2012 at 1:04pm
 
   Also, i will quote a line from Yeshua, the Prince of Peace, "I come not to bring peace, but a sword." 

  If Yeshua said this or something like this, what do you think this might mean--especially coming from a person who lived and preached peace?

   Perhaps he knew ahead of time that his intense PUL would stir up the collective shadow of the world, which at first would result in chaos, fighting, destruction, but later bring true peace?  For that sword is truth and PUL and what does PUL do, it destroys illusions and all that which is based on or comes from illusions. 

  A sort of parable for the way i've been acting and speaking lately.  Rabble rousing for a definite, future reason, that will become clear when the times come.  You will better remember my words for this and remember my other messages when the Red skies begin to form. 

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What would the Buddha say about this? Was/is he less a man of God than your teacher? How would you reconcile the two approaches?
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Reply #41 - Mar 27th, 2012 at 3:36pm
 
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   Also, i will quote a line from Yeshua, the Prince of Peace, "I come not to bring peace, but a sword." 

  If Yeshua said this or something like this, what do you think this might mean--especially coming from a person who lived and preached peace?

That he was an evil Alien?
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Bardo wrote on Mar 27th, 2012 at 2:58pm:
What would the Buddha say about this? Was/is he less a man of God than your teacher? How would you reconcile the two approaches?


  He would start singing Akoonah Ma-ta-tah?  Grin   More seriously, i'm not sure exactly what he would say... However, Expanded Guidance prompted you to say the above, though probably for a different reason than you may think. 

  One of the few outer sources that i've found which talks about this E.T. group and this war in a very lucid, more clear, and helpful way is one Courtney Brown Phd.   Brown allegedly communicated with Buddha and talked about these communications in both of his books. 

  His 2nd book, deals with this hindering E.T. group in depth.  Anyways, as regards Buddha, he finds out that Buddha is sort of a leader in what Brown labels the "Galactic Federation", which is made up of many E.T.'s who are evolving to Source Consciousness and generally much further along this path than humanity and most humans.  Apparently Buddha is on this council and plays an important role in relation to humanity.

   Brown finds out that Buddha is not such a passive guy--not one who sits around and meditates all day, and is very much involved with this battle and is concerned with how things may go, as are many in this Light attuned and relatively, but not completely enLightened group.

  Here is a link to download Brown's 2nd book for free:
http://www.courtneybrown.com/publications/explorers.html


   Re: your general question, it's best to hook up to expanded Guidance and ask about the similarities and differences between Yeshua and Buddha, but since you asked, i will give my perceptions on this, as i've asked expanded guidance about this very thing.  What i have found, is very similar to what Cayce's guidance has said re: this matter. 

  Before i state that, i figure that Buddha was a pretty wise, perceptive and Godly kind of guy and is brothers with Yeshua and that they work for the same cause.

  What Cayce's guidance said was essentially this--out of all the Teachers that have come into the Earth to help uplift humanity, only Yeshua completly overcame self and the world and fufilled the Whole Law of Love.

  (now my perceptions) Buddha did not "transfigure" his body physical, which is the last and ultimate test of all Initiates.  When this is completed within an inphysical lifetime, then does and will self know self or another to be fully "complete". 

  My sense is that Buddha reached fairly close to completion, but did not get as far as Yeshua did (full Source awareness and livingness).  This is not meant as any disrespect to Buddha or to those who follow same, but having use to think that Buddha was completely enLightened myself, and then being enlightened by my guidance on this issue, i no longer buy into the dogma of others.  I've taken all teachers but Yeshua off any pedestals.

  If Brown is correct, then Buddha plays a very important role as a Helper and should be considered in the category of "Expanded Guidance"--hence he has my deepest respect and appreciation.   I would ask him yourself about this issue though.  The very definition of "belief system" and dogma is believing something as true, just because others or a organized belief system say it's true and not going past the intlellect to figure it out.
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Reply #43 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 5:38am
 
Justin-

'Becky and i were walking around and seeing a really screwed up Earth.  People seemed more like zombies than people in that they were extremely unconscious, only concerned about physical survival and most people were destructive and selfish in nature.   More over, there was just an overwhelming feeling of intense, collective suffering.'

What you seem to be describing seems to indicate a future ecosystem breakdown. I agree this is where we are heading but don't think there's any need to invoke 'unfriendly' forces for this future, just everyday human ignorance and greed. One does'nt need to be an eco-warrior to believe this-just look at our track record. For just one example  look at the fate of the poor old passenger pigeon (Ectopistes migratorius).

From wikipedia : ' The Passenger Pigeon or Wild Pigeon (Ectopistes migratorius) was a bird that existed in North America until the early 20th century when it went extinct due to hunting and habitat destruction. The species lived in enormous migratory flocks. One sighting in 1866 in southern Ontario was described as being 1 mile wide, 300 miles long, and taking 14 hours to pass a single point with number estimates in excess of 3.5 billion birds in the flock. That number, if accurate, would likely represent a large fraction of the entire population at the time.Some estimate that there were 3 billion to 5 billion Passenger Pigeons in the United States when Europeans arrived in North America.'.

Whether its making species extinct or polluting the planet (e.g Chernobyl,Bhopal) humans are the most destructive species the world has ever known. Its what we do.

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Reply #44 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 10:07am
 
heisenberg69 wrote on Mar 28th, 2012 at 5:38am:
Justin-


What you seem to be describing seems to indicate a future ecosystem breakdown. I agree this is where we are heading but don't think there's any need to invoke 'unfriendly' forces for this future, just everyday human ignorance and greed. One does'nt need to be an eco-warrior to believe this-just look at our track record. For just one example  look at the fate of the poor old passenger pigeon (Ectopistes migratorius)...



  Hi David,

   In a way, i wish it was as simple as the above.  Yes, plenty non constructive stuff happens here simply out of human ignorance and lack of concern for others or their environment.  Yet, both my wife and i have received repeating clear messages that humanity is "helped" with this by outside, interfering forces. 

  In that dream above, as i clearly stated before, i had a complete and sure knowing that a hindering E.T. group and their plans, efforts, and influence was partially responsible for this future possibility.   I also did not go into all the details of the dream.  In the dream it seemed like there was less humans than now (after the collapse) and that a number of people that were alive seemed to be experiencing "possession" and being more directly and strongly influenced by lacking in Light forces while in their physical bodies.   

If you check the link i gave to Bardo and read Brown's 2nd book, you will see that what he gets from his remote viewings and communicating with the constructive E.T.'s, is very similar to what i received in that dream and these Guidance forces are quite concerned about our fate as a species. 

   Bob Monroe also wrote in his 3rd book, Ultimate Journey, that there has been for a long time, hindering E.T. influence in this world, but unlike his Explorer Rosalind A. McKnight and her guidance, he did not go into much specifics at all.  McKnight clearly saw and plainly stated that a specific negative/hindering E.T. group has long been involved with Earth and that eventually (around 2500 a.d.), we would become involved with an out and out physical war with this same specific group.

   Edgar Cayce's guidance also seemed to reference to a battle taking place between hindering forces and the forces of Light.  Specifically they said about the future, "...And, as there is the wavering of those that would enter as emissaries, as teachers, from the throne of of life, the throne of light, the throne of immortality, and wage war in the air with those of darkness, then know ye the Armageddon is at hand.  For with the great numbers of the gathering of the hosts of those that have hindered and would make for man and his weaknesses stumbling blocks, they shall wage war* with the spirits of light that come into the earth for this awakening..."  excerpted from Reading 3976-15 *my use of bold, underline, and italics

  In other Cayce readings, there are clear and direct references to other "people's" coming to the Earth from other "worlds".  Then there are references to the "gods" being involved with the earth, which use to be the common reference of more ancient people's and cultures to E.T.'s. 

  Perhaps related, Courtney Brown's work indicates that the Gray's, are in the front lines of this battle trying to help humanity and that there are quite literal "space wars" going on at times between the Grays and "Reptilians".  According to Brown's work, the Grays had an original history of being influenced negatively by outside interference, which led to much trouble and stuckness for them for a long time, and it seems that they are defending us from the hindering, negatively intentioned E.T. group because they feel quite a sense of duty and responsibility to do so, despite that they are as pacifistic as any beings can be.   

   So, we have Rosalind McKnight, Bob Monroe, Edgar Cayce, Courtney Brown, Dr. John E. Mack, Albert, and i who all have received information or pieces of the puzzle about this these outside interferences relating to an E.T. group. 

Perhaps it's worth taking this to Expanded Guidance during meditation under the ideal conditions (asking for only Divine help and assistance, while feeling Love, Gratitude,, etc)?  Like i said earlier, this is not something you can figure out with just the intellect and with logical, deductive reasoning. 

  Have you tried this yet?




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