Dang it Justin! You did that ex-member thing again and now we aren't going to be able to edit.

I don't know, but I doubt divine will has it in mind that everybody has to ascend to a he/she level in order for this World to be a better place.  I believe it is fine to try to inspire others, but we can't force anything.  For the most part each soul manifests according to its inner yearning.

I get what Vicky is saying when she states this World wouldn't serve the purpose it serves if everybody was at Christ Consciousness level. The diversity that leads to learning wouldn't exist.

On the other hand, I believe there is way more suffering than the divine plan intended. Too many people and other beings have strayed from what their higher selves have in mind. Such a result is an unfortunate consequence of having free will.

I have family members who aren't interested in spirituality, but they're good people. Therefore, they aren't a part of this World's problems. Without being consciously spiritual they make more of a positive contribution rather than a negative contribution. Soul evolution wouldn't work as well as it eventually does if the process didn't allow for the possibility that it will take a lot souls a while before they rejoin the Oneness they came from.

When it comes to people who grow to an extent where they really help the World's overall vibrational state, as I suggested before, for the most part this urge has to come from within. People who have this potential will be inspired by inspiring words. Such words can be direct, but I don't believe they need to be accompanied by angst.

I think Justin is right, the world does need to heal. I mean, Emerald Weapon and Ruby Weapon were literally started by the planet to stop us from continuing to convert the lifestream into Mako energy to power our electronics.

It's time for a change!

Justin aka vaysra/Justin/Life,

How do we know that you aren't being influenced by negative beings at this present time?

And, if we ask our guidance how do we know that it won't be coming from negative beings also?

This is a serious question by the way.

Andy

Andy B wrote on Mar 24^th, 2012 at 4:51pm:


   I would say seek guidance from the most expanded levels of same by and through that specific intention and desire, and by and through practicing Bruce's "Remembering the feeling of Love" method or similar ones, then getting very quiet and still within self and by listening. 

   But, btw, i wouldn't say that i'm 100 percent completely free from such influence ALL the time.  Because i'm not fully "enLightened", or rather, i'm not completely and permanently attuned to PUL yet, this means i have "dark" aspects within self.  These dark aspects can be connected to by similarly dark aspects without, for Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like ever.

If i'm not conscious enough to certain "stray", negative thoughts, feelings, or desires, or don't consciously ignore or redirect to more positive ones, i can be temporarily and briefly influenced.   However, because i have specifically asked for very specific help from certain very powerful and Love attuned Consciousnesses, i tend to be less influenced than most.  Having also dedicated my life to growing in Love, to teh service of the Whole, and sacrificing in certain ways or using my Will constructively more than not, also helps to not

  For example, i have dropped many hindering habits like eating unhealthy or fear filled foods (like pork and beef especially), not exercising enough, looking at porn, drinking alcohol immoderately, doing drugs, etc, etc.

    When one's intentions (especially) and one's feeling states are more positive and Love oriented, and the more one is balanced between the physical, emotional-mental, and spiritual levels of self, the more one will connect to more creative, constructive, Loving, spiritually aware and helpful forces. 

  When one's intentions and feeling states are more negative and further away from PUL, or the more imbalanced one is between the physical, emotional-mental, and spiritual levels of self, the more one will tend to connect to

  It is mighty hard, unless one is super psychic and very clear oneself, to fully and clearly accurately read the intentions of others via typed words and messages on forums like these.  Even us more psychic and clear types occasionally get things wrong or are off about others.

    But through hooking up to expanded guidance, particularly during meditation, one can more easily and clearly see another's intentions, etc. 

A very good and recent example of this.  For a very brief time, i was suspicious of the poster Wonderer and mostly because of the out of the blue interaction between the two newbie posters Andrew and Wonderer, and Andrew speaking so highly about ACIM. 

  I realized that my suspicions about Wonderer could be wrong or off, so I took it to expanded guidance during meditation.   I also had my wife seek information on him, his intentions in general and towards me specifically.  I didn't tell her anything about him, except for his tag name Wonderer and that this person said they had previously been here awhile back.   

    Both of us were told that he was a fine man, with good intentions in both areas.  I was told more specifically that he was a rather older Soul.   Becky, my wife, picked up some very accurate information about his looks, his character, his mental tendencies, etc. which Wonderer verified by sharing information.  She did get a couple things off.

  This is why it's so important to appeal to higher forces than self.  It's a kind of humility and knowing that the conscious, personality self doesn't always know what is right or correct.

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  Oh yes, Andy, it is a very serious question and a good one to ask.  To simplify things a bit, if you understand the univeral Law of Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like--a type of higher physics understanding, if you will, then if you work WITH that Law in a harmonious manner, it will help one to better connect to only the more helpful, creative, constructive forces. 

  See above quote of yours and my reply to same for a more in depth look. 

    Plus, there is a common teaching in many works and teachings that there is a principle of assistance involved.   This principle works on specific requests.  It works on specific requests, because more expanded and Love attuned Consciousnesses, respect freewill.   We may get help without specific requests, often we do, but it's with specific requests and intentions, that we get specific help. 

  If you create an affirmation or prayer like, "I deeply desire, and ask for the guidance of only the most PUL attuned and spiritually constructive/helpful sources there are" and you say that with real feeling and sincerity and if it's for helpful intentions, then you will get help from these.

  The question or issue then becomes, will you be able to consciously perceive such info and communication?   This is where Bruce's "Remembering the Feeling of Love" method comes in quite handy. 

  As Bruce has found in his experience, i in mine, Albert in his, and many others, bringing up those positive feelings and thoughts of Love, automatically and greatly tend to expand our perceptual capacity. 

   Tuning into those feelings and thoughts, tunes you into the "wavelengths" that those super Expanded/Aware and Constructive/Helpful Consciousnesses "live" on or at.  You then can more easily perceive communication from them, once you have asked for that kind of help. 

   Have you read Bruce's experience with the Planning Intelligence?   It took a period of adjustment, wherein the Planning Intelligence had to help adjust Bruce's receptors, in order for him to more clearly and accurately perceive that communication.   I bet Bruce was feeling and tuning into a lot of Love around then. 

  You can also ask those above sources with specific help in opening up more clearly to such communication. 

  Contact during meditation, etc. with very PUL attuned and very mature Consciousnesses often are accompanied by feelings of immense Love, deep peace, expansiveness, and the like.  Not to say they are never firm or direct about lacks or things you need to work on, for they can be, but you can still feel the Love there behind the strong 'words'. 

   Very well said David, and I do agree with you (though i see more subtleties and relative aspects of it).  This is why i have attended rallies on issues in my country and state wherein others were trying to literally force their beliefs via legislative means onto others. 

  To me, such forcing is quite wrong.   However, debating on forums and pointing out "synchronicities" and similarities between many reputable psychic type sources and one's own guidance, and imploring others to really check this out during meditation under more ideal circumstances. Or pointing out holes in the holistic logic of others belief systems.

  I can't relate that to forcing.  It is more "Yang" though.  But, this was sometimes the method of my Teacher.  He was not always gentle, passive, Yin, and/or laid back.  He was not like Bruce Moen or Bob Monroe.  He debated with the "spiritual experts" around him, he pointed out the holes in their beliefs and perceptions, and he even occasionally used strong words and actions to make a point. 

  He was and could be more Yang, though he was basically a gentle, very kind, caring and Loving person.  Love in the PUL sense is not always "soft".  There is the Yang side of Love which we could call "tough Love", which is more intense and "in your face". 

  Are you aware of Tom Campbell and his work?  One of the interesting things that T.C. talks about is his knowledge and experience with a Consciousness he humorously calls the "Big Cheese".  The B.C. is kind of a mysterious character, but from what T.C. says, he clearly states that he perceives this Consciousness as a "he".  This Consciousness is extremely spiritually evolved, very aware, and is kind of the "head honcho" in and director of this area of Consciousness--especially of the nonphysical part.   According to T.C., this Being even has the "authority" and power to dismantle particularly extremely and consistently negative Consciousnesses who just won't and don't choose to grow, but keep trying to negatively affect those around them. 

   Without writing a small novel about the differences and connections between Yin and Yang--it's interesting that T.C. clearly perceives the B.C. as more "male" than female, or rather more Yang than Yin.   One of the fundamental differences between Yang and Yin is that Yang is active, outpouring and more concentrated, intense, or directive flow, use and quality of consciousness. 

  Yin is more receptive, still, passive, soft and diffuse flow, use and quality of consciousness. 

   I spent a long time being unusually Yin for a consciousness in a male body.  I've started to become more Yang in certain areas, and it's something that i've been directed to do. 

  I'm most Yang on forums like these, because if someone doesn't like my words, what i "say", etc., it's much easier for them to ignore, pass over, or refute my words.  It's also a much more impersonal and detached medium and way of communicating, but one that reaches to many more people than talking in person. 

  In person, and you can ask Bruce Moen, Albert, or others that have met me in person, i'm much more the quiet, listening, and go with the flow type.  I sat there and nodded politely when Bruce was telling Becky and i that our spider experiences probably weren't anything to do with any negative beings, because in his words, "I've never had any experience with anything that i had to really worry about."

  I politely listened to what he had to say, and I didn't turn it into a debate, though i could have easily and could have ripped apart his belief system and perceptions, telling him that Bob Monroe, Rosalind McKnight, Edgar Cayce, Courtney Brown, Becky, i and others HAVE had such experiences or insights contradicting his beliefs, experiences, and perceptions.  I could have been more forceful and intense. 

  There is a reason why the difference between my manner in person and on forums.  I don't like boxing others into a uncomfortable corner like that, and it's not a good way of "retrieving" people from stuck and limited belief systems.  People tend to really get on the defensive in situations like that, or they just get quite emotional, and in any case, they stop listening to you and then what's the point--in that case, you're just wasting your own breath. 

   But yes, we should have the freewill to screw up.  However, if we made a habit of connecting to Expanded Guidance and choosing Love, not only will we become more happy and fulfilled ourselves, we would take part in speeding up the healing of the Whole.  This is to be greatly desired. 

  This is the message, the communication, the whole meaning and reason for why spiritual teachers come into the Earth. 

   This is why Krishna, Buddha, Yeshua and other have incarnated here, and this was their essential message and example here.  They were, in essence, trying to speed up the healing of the Whole.  They were being slightly more Yang than Yin in this process. 

Otherwise, they wouldn't have come in the first place, for they didn't need to come for themselves.  They didn't need this Earth school for their own growth necessarily.  (especially speaking about Yeshua). 

  I would say, humorously, "Be thou likewise like the Big Cheese". 

  The Big Cheese, He/She and Yeshua don't think this life is about a personal vacation.  They think and know it's about Consciousness growth, and a process of the stuck aspects of the Whole healing and retrieving themselves, and they were and are trying to speed up the process because they can literally feel the suffering of others and the Whole much more keenly than less expanded consciousnesses. 

   It all goes back to ones intent, and not so much the surface actions.  One person can do something that seems right, correct, or loving in nature but if their hidden intent or motivation is non constructive in nature, it will not bring consciousness growth to them.

Conversely, someone can do something that seems wrong, off, or what not in the eyes of others, but if their INTENT is positive in nature, then it will bring consciousness growth.

  Most people, deep down, know on some level, what they choose in relation to others is either more constructive or non constructive in nature.  Hitler knew on some level that murdering, torturing, and forcing others against their will was wrong, but he and others were so far gone down their lack of attunement to Love, and in their corruption from such material power to change.

  What makes something MOST constructive, is that done with the intent for the best of ALL.  It has to be Universal in nature for it to be fully creative. Hitler was not considering the Whole, he was considering Germany and "Aryans".  Hence not constructive and could not be constructive. 

  In the above sense, then, Yeshua speaking strong words to the Pharisees, Sadducees', Scribes, etc because he was concerned about them teaching and/or forcing limited and non-constructive beliefs onto others, would affect the Whole adversely.  It was not "personal" for him.  He had no personal need or desire to debate with them for his little self.  He was only concerned for the Big, Universal Self. 

  Likewise am i concerned about the Biggest self (and it's not about my little self) and why i have and will debate with you and others here if you promote limiting beliefs or indirectly support the efforts, plans, and intentions of those hindering forces.  I choose to be more Yang than Yin in this process. 

  Those hindering forces want you and others to speak against what Albert and i say, because we're trying to expose them and they cannot do what they want if they are brought into the Light.  They like and work in the shadows, and they love when people make their job easier for them.  In some cases, they even focus and concentrate on psychically sending certain thoughts and feelings to people in order to "help" them along with this.   

  To think that self is completely free of such subtle influence, is perhaps naive, when and if self knows that self is not fully "enLightened" or only ever attuned to PUL. 

 

Lucy wrote on Mar 21^st, 2012 at 4:21am:


Hi Lucy, you are right there are psychics and there are psychics, most of them are money making frauds. A true psychic might know if a tree falls unobserved if he knew that he/she should concentrate on it.A psychic at best sees through a glass darkly

Love

Alan

Boy was I confused.  I first wondered who this new person was talking to me this way, and then I realized that "A Channel" is you again, Justin. 

"My Bruce Moen?"  Seriously?????

I'm sorry, but I'm not interested in this weirdness from you anymore.  You want to have the soapbox and the last word, well go ahead.  We obviously can't have a decent coversation about anything I care to talk about since you turn everything around to the same old thing you keep repeating.  You're going off the deepend and attacking anything and everything I say.  I'm not falling for your holier-than-thou persona.  It's just too weird for me.  I'll leave this thread to the others who want to partake in it.

Vicky