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Mar 20th, 2012 at 6:49pm
 
The popular psychic chat site based out of the UK has been using the same integrated chat system for years...

It has now gone down and they have to work out a new system.

With perhaps hundreds of psychics involved, why did none of them see this coming?

My point? You ask...?

Psychics are right sometimes and they play those times up tremendously, pretending the frequent wrong reads don't exist.

Convenient no?

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Reply #1 - Mar 21st, 2012 at 4:21am
 
yes but...

being able to see some thing in the future is not the same as being all-knowing. Psychis don't usually claim they know what the littlest sparrow is up to.
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Reply #2 - Mar 21st, 2012 at 9:29am
 
The thing I found funny was the head psychic guy I think his name is Greg or something recently had a picture put up with him around huts and those fruity drinks. Makes me think that he sure is cashing in on a nice expensive vacation with his profits..... Members of his site pay money for readings and all sorts of things plus him and his wife are in the lime light cashing in so to speak.
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Reply #3 - Mar 21st, 2012 at 12:47pm
 
Once again I'm reminded of the warning from ES that any contact with the afterlife is full of danger mainly because of the unreliability of those with whom you come in contact.

ES states that it's not the higher developed spirit entities that are the easiest to contact.  Instead it's those in the lower realms.

So IMHO I would stay away from psychics, ouija boards, etc etc.  Same warning, btw, applies to channeled entities.

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Reply #4 - Mar 21st, 2012 at 8:07pm
 
I am not "a psychic", I don't do it for a living.  But I am psychic.  And being psychic and having psychic ability and using psychic ability doesn't have to only be about contacting dead people or being in contact with lower realms or beings. 

Typically, psychic ability is about every-day, typical, boring things.  It's about paying attention to something coming into your awareness...we are human beings and cannot be aware of every single thing out there.  We have a natural filtering system too.  Being a good psychic is learning how to focus your attention and awareness on something and perceive and interpret.  It doesn't mean being an open radar to every thoughts, feeling, frequency, or event that is happening around the world and at every given moment in time in the future. 

And if you want to get more philosophical about it, why would a person who is psychic not be a good psychic just for not knowing about a particular event in one's life?  Surely there must be bigger-picture reasons for why some things in life come easy and some don't.  Aren't we here to experience, learn, and evolve?
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Reply #5 - Mar 21st, 2012 at 10:29pm
 
Vicky wrote on Mar 21st, 2012 at 8:07pm:
Typically, psychic ability is about every-day, typical, boring things.  It's about paying attention to something coming into your awareness...we are human beings and cannot be aware of every single thing out there.  We have a natural filtering system too.  Being a good psychic is learning how to focus your attention and awareness on something and perceive and interpret.  It doesn't mean being an open radar to every thoughts, feeling, frequency, or event that is happening around the world and at every given moment in time in the future. 
 


  Generally speaking, i agree Vicky.  One of the things that have been suggested to me though, is a sort of question, "what if a human being becomes fully open and attuned to PUL in a permanent sense?

  If PUL expands perception, then becoming PUL, a pure vessel of same, might mean that we can be aware of anything and everything that has been created and co-created. 

  We still wouldn't be able to accurately predict all events, because such manifestations depend on the freewill use of individuals and/or the collective, and that's something that can change even on a dime at times. 

  Perhaps becoming a completely open and clear channel of PUL would begin to even change ones "body", so that in a sense, they wouldn't really be "human" anymore in the normal sense of it. 

   Perhaps related is an experience a friend and i had.  I became friends with a lady with open minded spiritual beliefs on another forum years back.  Anyways, during the course of our first online friendship (we later met up), i sent her a pic of myself.  She wrote back in a rather dramatic fashion, and jokingly said, "were you trying to give me a heart attack?!" 

   I had no idea what she meant and was confused.  She explained, and said that some years before, well before she ever knew i existed, one time she was relaxing by herself and someone materialized in the room with her, and then briefly after left. 

  She said with certainty that this person looked exactly like and felt like me.  I of course didn't remember doing this at all, and in fact, for years forgot about this whole thing until very recently.  It got brought up during a guidance message of sorts, and after a lot of personal revelations about self and the role i've chosen and been chosen for in this life. 

   I realized that future me, went back in time (who needs the Dolorian when you got Love!), and manifested to her for a reason.  I believe that future me will be able to have this and other abilities because future me will be very attuned to Love.  I guess it could be argued that maybe she just saw me psychically and i wasn't there "physically", but she seemed to think i was pretty solid even though we didn't touch. 

   It's amazing what a human can do if one opens up more fully to and becomes a completely clear channel for real PUL.   Perhaps it melts away so many of our limiting barriers of perception and abilities?  Perhaps we become like Source (God)?   
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Reply #6 - Mar 21st, 2012 at 10:57pm
 
rondele wrote on Mar 21st, 2012 at 12:47pm:
ES states that it's not the higher developed spirit entities that are the easiest to contact.  Instead it's those in the lower realms.
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  While i generally agree, it's not so black and white.  Everything in the nonphysical, and to a lesser extent the physical--but especially the physical connecting with the nonphysical and vice versa, operates according to a Universal Law which has been described as Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like. 

   Plus there is the principle of assistance, or spoken of in the Bible, "Ask and you shall receive". 

   This is why, when i meditate and seek info or help from the nonphysical, i specifically ask and sincerely so, "I deeply desire and ask for the help and guidance of ONLY the MOST Source and Christ attuned consciousnesses. 

Then to strengthen that connection and to better able to perceive communication from such sources, i practice Bruce's "remembering the feeling of Love" technique in conjunction with the above.  I may also do some "toning" as well, to help things out a bit too. 

    Anyways, this is as working in harmony with the Law of Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like, and with the principle of "ask and you shall receive". 

  If i'm seeking info from a psychic, i apply similar principles.  I look for more spiritually mature psychics and i look for ones whose abilities come well recommended. 

  Then, before and during the 'reading', i do likewise as i do in meditation, except that this time, i picture White Light around both of us, and i ask Expanded Guidance that only the most spiritually helpful information for myself and the Whole come through.   I tune into the remembrance of the feelings of Love and/or Gratitude and feel that in relation to the sensitive.   Then, just like in my own meditations, i "blank my mind" and have no preconceptions and expectations of what may or may not come through. 

  These are ways and methods of boosting accuracy, how "high" they reach, and the spiritual helpfulness of the info coming through.  But, it really helps to have a more Love attuned and balanced sensitive to begin with who practices certain affirmations and who has certain ideals, intentions and desires.  The more mature and Love attuned, the higher they tend to reach.

  One sensitive i got a reading from, when she found out it was my birthday, she did the reading for free.  She is just that kind of person, a giving and kind  and truly service type. 

  It's interesting to me though, that you would make it so black and white of an issue, when there are definite shades of gray involved.  I do agree with the Ouija board though, because it has such a history of immaturity, idle curiosity, lack of respect and understanding of spiritual Laws, etc, etc. involved.  I mean, heck, it started off as a game of entertainment and as someone trying to make money of selling a product.   

  In a sense, it's built up a rather limiting thought form pattern around it, which inherently tends to create connections to limiting and/or hindering influences. 

  Generally speaking, more mature and developed humans do not seek to get info from such materialistic, shallow, and sensationalist mediums as Ouija boards.  Hence why it has a long history of attracting (like attracts, begets, and resonates with like) the attention of mischievous, immature, and sometimes downright harmful and hindering consciousnesses. 

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Reply #7 - Mar 22nd, 2012 at 1:19am
 
Hi Justin,

I don't see the point in talking about what-ifs.  I look at what I know at this point in time in my life.  On this site there's a group of guys who beat everything to death with theories, what they've read, who should read what book or their opinions don't count, what stands as real proof and what doesn't...you get my point. 

I speak for what I know from my own experience.  My ex always ignored what I WAS psychically correct about and instead focused on "but you haven't yet gotten us the winning lotto numbers", or he'd make me feel stupid for not knowing something bad that happened to him.  My point is, no matter how much I don't know or how much I get wrong, it doesn't change what I am right about.  Perception is what it is, it's the person doing the perceiving who makes things more complicated or misguided than it needs to be.  That's the point I was trying to make because it seems like every thread on this site is about why fakes are fakes and why no one knows how to do anything real because they aren't an adept of perfection.   

I will continue to expand my psychic abilities and other spiritual areas as well.  That's my intention and goal.  If I'm right about something as meaningless as my Sprint bill over charging me, which bank teller I'm going to get, or the answers to Clue before the game even begins, so what?  I will (and am) finding ways to branch out and expand my perception to bigger and better things.  It doesn't have anything to do with PUL or expanding myself to know all for the greater good.  I am not here for the other 7 billion people in the world.  I'm here to figure out what I'm here for and whatever course that takes, I guess that's the way it is.  Sure, I have immense love inside me for all the wonderful things in the world to happen, but that hardly seems reasonable to have a goal in mind to be that pure 100% of the time.  Not here, not in this physical world. 

Now I know how negative that's going to sound to some of you, especially coming from me.  But let me ask you this.  What's the point of talking about belief in an afterlife or a beforelife and then act like we are supposed to make THIS life BE all that we aspire for the greater good of all what PUL stands for.  What's the point of making a God-like life here?  That reminds me of when I was little and wanted to wear one of my pretty dresses in my closet and then go out and play.  But my mom told me if I choose to wear the pretty dress, I have to stay inside and just do something quiet so that I don't get dirty or mess up my dress.  Well I thought about all that I'd miss out on outside.  I'd miss what the boys were doing.  I'd miss playing on the tire swing out back.  I wouldn't get to ride my bike down the street.  So I put on my shorts and t-shirt and went and had fun. 

I'm not condoning not being loving, not being of service, and being a bad-ass.  I'm just saying that it's not a goal of mine to try to attain God-like status.  If I had to try to be that pure, good, and perfect I'd miss out on a lot of life's experiences, lessons, and opportunities to grow. 

The reason I say this?  I have a very good sense of my relationship with my higher self, my Guidance, my whatever it is out there that guides, loves, helps, and protects me.  I don't take it for granted, but on the other hand I don't need to understand and be all that it is in this lifetime in order for me to be doing good and doing what I came here to do and learn.  I also have a good conscience, I'm an honest and trustworthy person, and I already know right from wrong automatically inside me.  That's just me.  Sure, it is a wonderful sentiment to want to be a pure channel of the highest whatever, but not being so doesn't mean I'm in league with channeling low-level spirits. 

My mom didn't say, "You have to wear the dress and not get dirty, that's what I expect of you."  She just said "it's your choice".  I think we are here to have our choices, and there's no punishment for what we choose, not the kind of punishment that God-fearing religious believers live in fear of.  Life isn't just black or white, good or evil.  So why bother turning normal every-day life into "what if it there was a perfect way to be, all the time, 100%, wouldn't you want that?"  Well sure, I want a lot of things, but that's hardly reasonable to waste my time on.  Sometimes things just work out perfectly the way they are meant to even with lots of crap happening along the way.  Why?  Because we have the conscious ability to make our choices, to decide where to focus our energy, thoughts, and attention at any point in time.  And yet, we still end up getting what we need, learning what we came here to learn. 

Maybe sitting on the couch all day in my pretty dress, not getting dirty nor getting into things sounds like a perfect way for a little girl to be the best and most pure and God-like.  But is it really?  Somehow I went outside and did things and got into situations that wasn't quite so wonderful for me, but I had something watching over me, guiding me, giving me nudges.  Even as a little girl I knew I had "something out there" who told me the important things I really needed and at just the right moments, and yet I still was able to have all the fun I found.  So what I'm saying is, I'm all for good intentions and all that, and yes there are phony fakes out there who put on for show when deep inside they're as insecure as the rest of us, but I myself know that I'm learning at my own pace and being guided to exactly what I need.  And as I grow and change, my guidance is still there with me.  Wherever I'm focused, my Guidance is aware of me.  I don't know every bad thing that's going to happen or how to prevent it, I don't know the winning lotto numbers, and I don't know a lot of things.  But that doesn't dis-prove the things I do know. 

For those reading who believe that psychic ability comes from a being, and beings are either low level or high level...I haven't yet experienced my information coming from a being.  At least that's not how I perceive or interpret it.  I call it my Guidance because that's just what I believe my higher self is.  I don't have dead people or other wordly disincarnate beings talking to me.  Why is that such a focus here on this site?  Why is that the only conversation that any thread turns into?  Personally I'm much more interested in what I do know about my own experiences, than all the what-ifs and arguments about what we DON'T know.  Sure, I'd love to post that I've achieved perfection in all that exists in the universe, but that's not realistic.  It's much more interesting to discuss and share what I have experienced, what it taught me, and the growth I've noticed in myself.  I'd love to hear that from other people too.  But striving to be God-like?  Striving to be ES?  Give me a break.  I already know I have Love inside me, guiding me.  I don't have to be someone else. 

And why I'm not "a psychic"?  Because the general public wants to come to a psychic to hear if they should stay with their boyfriend, or if they will get the job they want, or if they'll get enough money from their divorce settlement or not.  No matter how much PUL is put into the psychic reading, is that really how a psychic wants to spend her time?  Not me. 

Believe me, I try every day to attain the best and most important information from my Guidance.  I ask the best, most self-less questions.  I have so much PUL inside me to put into it.  Do I get all the answers I want?  No of course not.  That's not how things work, and there's a reason for that.  Things seem to happen in the best way possible, things seem to just magically align just at the right time, and life has a way of giving us what we need when we need it.  So I try not to waste my time wondering about what I don't know.  I appreciate what I do know, and the more I unwrap that present again and again, the more I get from that gift.  Gifts don't open just once.
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Reply #8 - Mar 22nd, 2012 at 1:50am
 
  I understand Vicky.. and i understand that this life is hard and sometimes it's hard enough just to be a decent person in this crazy and imbalanced world. 

  Yet, the only difference between us and "He/She" is how we choose.  We can become like him if we choose to.  Since all incarnations here are ultimately about consciousness growth, and all interactions here are about consciousness growth..

and since we are all connected within a reality of Oneness, then why not choose like He chose?  Why delay our ultimate destiny and birth right?   Why not help and speed up the process of the Whole healing itself, so that we can end suffering for all? 

  Again, the only thing that separates us from him, his experience, his happiness and joy, is lack of desire, passiveness, and limited use of our freewill.  Don't we all seek that same illusive goal, happiness and joy which is not affected by anything outside of us?  What do you think brings and creates that?  It's not psychic abilities, nonphysical experiences, but attuning to Love. 

  Psychic abilities and nonphysical experiences don't mean shite, btw. Not important at all in the grand scheme of things.  It only matters who much we attune to Love.  My earlier point to you was that if we choose to attune fully to Love, it tends to automatically expand our perceptual capacity, and can do so to the nth degree depending on the degree of attunement to Love. 

  Real teachers challenge us Vicky, challenge us to do better, to expand, to get out of our comfort zones, to realize our full and ultimate potential.   
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Reply #9 - Mar 22nd, 2012 at 2:14am
 
  In some ways, but in a different direction, like Rondele you want a simplified reality, a more cut and dry reality, wherein guidance is always guidance and from higher self and never anything else (this is probably true for some rare people). 

   You want the Universal, impersonal Law of Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like to disappear and not exist, for it makes a reality of a many shades of gray, and such realities are hard to figure out, let alone face--especially the knowledge that there are very lacking in Love, but strong forces out there that seek to keep us limited and suffering (not speaking from "theory" btw, but repeated guidance and experience).
 
What we want, what we prefer, and what really is, is not necessarily the same thing. 

   The sooner we stop trying to mold reality to our wants, wishes, and preconceptions, the sooner and closer we come to becoming joyful and at peace beings. 

  You are further along the path of Love than many, you take for granted your natural abilities and connections that many others don't have, you are projecting your experience out onto others and saying for others that their suffering and challenges don't exist.   Please go up to someone contemplating suicide and tell them, "there's no such thing as negative entities who seek to mislead and harm others through psychic means." 

   Or those who live in countries oppressed by those who are quite influenced by negative and hindering consciousnesses.

  Your view of reality is narrow and self focused currently, which is why you continue to experience intensely, at times, the bitter fruits of same.  Yet, you are a mature and Loving consciousness at your core, and you will come into your own and become more collective minded, more impersonal, more focused on the needs of the Whole when others will need your developing strength, centeredness, and clear insight.  During a time of tribulation and much challenge.

  What do you think your guidance is leading you to after all?   Wink  To become a pure and clear vessel of Love, by and through losing self in service to others and the Whole.
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Reply #10 - Mar 22nd, 2012 at 3:39am
 
Wow Justin, am I ever shocked at your assumptions and attitude!  You sound righteous and preachy.  Was your last post directed at me? 

My posts were about psychic ability.  You turned the conversation into something else.  I'm standing up for what I know and believe about my own experiences, and I don't feel sorry for myself that I'm not some higher achieving being who lives in a pure state of joy.

A lot of the things you assumed I said, I never said.  You've greatly misinterpreted many things and turned them into assumptions about topics that I wasn't even talking about.  I guess we hear what we want to hear.  I'm talking about one thing, and you're applying it to something else.

Your idea of being a joyful being is different from mine. 

The most important thing you can do at any given moment, Justin, is to put yourself into the state of being of the FEELING of what you most truly desire to feel.  Then live your day from that state.  No matter what life throws at you, the best way to be is living, feeling, and making decisions from that state of being.  It's not always easy to do, but it's the best that you can do.  We are each responsible for that within ourselves, no matter what life throws at us.

I'm not even going to bother commenting on most of the things either of your posts to me said, because you're off in some other place with what you want to be discussing.  I was talking about being myself in the moment, knowing and learning from my own experiences, and not bothering to focus my attention on trying to achieve to be like what someone else believes is what is meant to be for all of us. 

Whatever my spirit and soul and being are most desiring to learn and experience, I have every confidence that that's what's going to happen one way or another.  I don't waste my time thinking that I'm not doing the right thing at the moment.  Every moment counts.  If you want your pure perfection and peace, then just imagine it and feel it, and allow whatever emotions, thoughts, and anything else to flow through you.  Then, like everyone else, you eventually have to mow the lawn, make dinner, drive your car, etc. 

Life still happens.  Reality is still the same as it always was.  The only thing that really changes is how we are feeling, what we become aware of, how that makes us feel, and the thoughts, feelings, and decisions we make based on that cycle.  Sometimes we pray and get exactly what we prayed for.  Sometimes we pray and don't get it.  What's the difference?  There are lessons hidden in all that we do, feel, and experience. 

Again, I see that what you're discussing is completely different from what I'm discussing.  That's ok, it happens.  I'm not judging you or upset.  I'm just not interested in what you're talking about. 
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Reply #11 - Mar 22nd, 2012 at 6:52am
 
We hear a lot about 'unfriendly beings' on this forum. If we define an unfriendly being/source as something  which hinders spiritual growth/evolution is'nt there a danger in promoting a 'one size fits all' mentality with this talk of unfriendly beings ? By this I mean that if we accept we are on different spiritual journeys or at least different points on a journey does'nt it follow that we need different guides/teachers/influences at those different points ? Or to put it another way may not one person's 'unfriendly being' be another's 'friendly being' ? Further, was'nt Monroe told that as an immortal being he had nothing to fear from any influence ?!
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heisenberg69 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2012 at 6:52am:
We hear a lot about 'unfriendly beings' on this forum. If we define an unfriendly being/source as something  which hinders spiritual growth/evolution is'nt there a danger in promoting a 'one size fits all' mentality with this talk of unfriendly beings ? By this I mean that if we accept we are on different spiritual journeys or at least different points on a journey does'nt it follow that we need different guides/teachers/influences at those different points ? Or to put it another way may not one person's 'unfriendly being' be another's 'friendly being' ? Further, was'nt Monroe told that as an immortal being he had nothing to fear from any influence ?!


  Monroe was essentially told that he was getting to the point in his growth and maturity, that he needed to get over his fear of hindering influences (which, then,  he had recently directly become aware of) and that he had reached enough maturity and awareness that he was safe from being influenced anymore.  He was told that many of his other experiences and selves had been influenced, and by E.T.'s with an agenda more specifically.

  Having awareness of unfriendly influences, is quite a different matter than having fear of same, isn't it?

   How can one stop from being influenced, if one isn't even consciously aware of being influenced to begin with or that there are forces which seek to do same!???

  As i said to Vicky,  tell those folks on the border of suicide, or those folks who live under oppressive rulers and regimes, or those being possessed and influenced greatly, that there is no need to be consciously aware of or concerned with hindering influences.   I am SOOO sick of people's narrow, self focused concerns and attidudes.  It's not just about YOU.  It's about suffering of the Whole.  You may be mature enough to not be influenced, but what about your brother, what about your sister, do you have any concern and awareness for THEM?!!   Angry

  What is most needed in this world today, is a greater awareness of Love and the importance of same (this is always the case), a more conscious awareness of the most powerful and affecting hindering influences, and an awareness  the coming changes. 

   These are preparations, and part of "the Plan" that Monroe was given by He/She despite that Monroe did not go in depth about same--except for both hinting at the earth changes.  The combination of the 3 is what will eventually lead to the very positive and happy future possibility that Monroe saw for humanity for some 1500 years from now wherein every human alive is at the He/She like level in their maturity and expression. 

We are not going to magically get there--it will require a lot of effort, a lot of awareness, and we must break free, as a species, from those forces which have been influencing the world for a very long time now. 

  When in doubt, seek direct guidance under the most ideal conditions to find out for self the truth of the matter.  To be frank Dave--i hear so little about your experiences, insight, and seeking in this area, but i hear/see a lot of intellectual theorizing and other exercises of the intellect.

  You can't figure these things out via the intellect alone, nor from reading outside sources.  It's necessary to go within and under the more ideal circumstances. 
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Reply #13 - Mar 22nd, 2012 at 10:33am
 
  Hi Vicky, on forums, i sometimes am 'preachy'.  I'm an open channel much of the time when i write, and i let it flow.  I am what i am, and you can either accept me for how i am, or not.  What i say, is not personal and not meant to be taken personally.  If one finds themselves becoming "offended" by what i say, then perhaps one needs to get to the root of those reactions.

   Just recently, on another forum, i got booted because the moderator of same, well i really stirred up his shadow and he only could see red in relation to me.  He had to get rid of me, and there was rejoicing at this site.  Yet, i mostly just pointed to higher ways and methods in an impersonal sense, and never once tried to personally attack, name call, nor ever got upset towards any poster there. 

  I am aware that later on, i will be murdered for living and preaching this same way, without fear and without social concern.  Becky has received some 3 messages now, preparing her for my early death.  I am one who has decided to lay it all on the line for the needs of the Whole when the time comes--except that in the future, i will be able to demonstrate materially and undeniably that attunement to Love.  Those who do so, are rarely treated well or liked in this world.  Often they are despised, hated, and mis-treated by the majority around them.  Their pungent truth and examples stir up the shadow in others, and those shadow aspects become afraid and/or reactive towards them.  People quickly become "intolerant" of them.

   I know what i know, and i speak as i'm guided to.  As i said earlier, real teachers challenge us to grow and to get outside of our comfort zone and belief system boxes.  The realest teachers are rarely appreciated or wanted by the majority, when they are still around.  Look what happened to the Teacher of teachers.

  Real teachers seek to fully liberate themselves.  Lesser teachers, give up in this life and teach life is a vacation and say there are no such thing as strong and effective hindering influences.  Lesser teachers are being influenced by those same hindering forces to some extent, though much less than most.
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Re: If a tree falls in the woods does the Psychic know
Reply #14 - Mar 22nd, 2012 at 11:16am
 
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  Having awareness of unfriendly influences, is quite a different matter than having fear of same, isn't it?

   How can one stop from being influenced, if one isn't even consciously aware of being influenced to begin with or that there are forces which seek to do same!???

  As i said to Vicky,  tell those folks on the border of suicide, or those folks who live under oppressive rulers and regimes, or those being possessed and influenced greatly, that there is no need to be consciously aware of or concerned with hindering influences.   I am SOOO sick of people's narrow, self focused concerns and attidudes.  It's not just about YOU.  It's about suffering of the Whole.  You may be mature enough to not be influenced, but what about your brother, what about your sister, do you have any concern and awareness for THEM?!!   Angry



Justin,  you're entitled to your beliefs and what you share.  No problem.  But you seem to have a problem with something I said or the fact that I didn't automatically agree with you.  I'll try to respond to what you said and not try to get confusing and go off topic....

You are on a mission to influence with your beliefs.  That's fine.  But my posts about psychic ability weren't talking about that.  It would be refreshing if a topic on this site actually stayed about that topic.  I merely responded to what you wrote me. 

About what you wrote me....If there are people suffering in the world who don't know they are under oppression, can't change it, and don't know how to even if they had a momentary wish that they could, it doesn't mean that I don't care.  It doesn't mean that I can do anything.  Yes, I can sit here for 20 minutes sending Love nonphysically to that person.  Will it help?  I don't know, probably in some way it will, but I won't see it.  It's not like I'll get a letter in the mail that says "Thanks!"  So what's your point Justin?  That just because my post was about my own life, it must mean that I'm selfish and non-caring about people who suffer in the world? 

All I said was that I don't experience my psychic ability as coming from this guide or that guide, or this being or that being.  I experience it all the same way, one way, to my perception.  That's what I see, that's what I know.  If I'm wrong, well then heck I'm wrong.  I don't really care.  All I know is what I know at the moment.  Just because I'm not getting psychic information that tells me how to save lives and find murders and bad guys, doesn't mean that I'm being influenced by low-level beings.  And it doesn't mean that I'm not aspiring to use Love in all that I do. 

I know, trust, and learn from my own experiences, psychic, spiritual, and otherwise.  It's the best that I know how to do.  I grow and learn and live and be at my own pace. 

Now, as far as poor people suffering in the world who ARE being badly influenced and they don't know it and don't know what to do about it...again, what does that have to do with me and what I posted?  I do give love.  I do have good intentions.  I do care about people.  If I walk down the street and see someone in need of help, if I feel compelled to help I will.  But if my Guidance is giving me a nudge that says "Don't fall for it, it's a set-up, you will get mugged".  Then guess what?  I'm going to listen to my Guidance.  Does that mean I should let go of my fear and use the power of Love to change that would-be mugger and his evil-doing ways?  Heck no.  I'm taking care of myself.  I don't have to be responsible for reforming a bad guy into a good person at my own risk. 

Can I help all those oppressed people in the world you're talking about?  Not at the moment.  I could try to sell all my belongings, change my life, and move there and try to talk to them and help them, but is that what I want to do?  No.  Does that make me a bad person?  No.  Will it help if I pray for them?  Probably.  Will I necessarily see the results, see how it helped and changed their lives?  I don't know. 

Having awareness of love is great.  Spreading love and being loving are great.  Does it mean that when I'm not using, feeling, or being all-encompessed in love it must mean that I'm not living up to my potential?  Who cares!  I don't go around telling other people that they are wasting their time and that they should be doing more.  I believe in allowing people to be themselves, live and learn at their own pace.  Yes I pray for peace, for change, for lots of things.  But I don't control anyone.  I don't have all the answers as to why there is sickness, why there is oppression, why bad things happen.  I do believe we are here to learn, to experience, and to grow.  Yes I feel sorry that some poor sick child is born in an oppressive country and then dies before they got the chance to really live.  But that's just life.  If I could magically change it, of course I would.  But there's a reason we aren't able to magically control and change everything.  What is the point of being here if it's wrong to live our lives and enjoy and grow and experience what we want to do and have and be?  Just because I'm not moving to a poor country to hold the hand of a dying child doesn't mean I don't care.  And it doesn't make me narrow-minded. 

Justin, your beliefs are good intentions.  But you don't speak practically, not to me anyway.  Yes, in a perfect-thought world, we could change the world with Love.  And who is to say that that's not what is already taking place?  Just because you see suffering, does it mean that people are doing something wrong, not opening up and aspiring to Love as much as they should at the moment? 

Whatever anyone's beliefs are, the general belief is that "God" has a plan and a purpose and that things work out in the end.  Yes, along the way we have the conscious awareness to make change, to help, to be of service, and that's generally what the world does.  Life repeats itself.  History repeats itself.  I can look at a teenager and see myself in them, how I used to be, how unaware that person is.  But does it mean that that person will or will not grow into the loving being they should be?  Time will tell.  They have the chance and the right to grow and be what they choose.  We can help, we can influence, we can give advice, we can pray, but ultimately that young person's life is their own responsiblity.  Sometimes you just can't do much but have good intentions for people and situations. 

Just because you don't see the world as complete and perfect as you are aspiring, doesn't mean that anything is going wrong.  Our perspective and view of "the World and Reality as a Whole" is pretty limited, but it doesn't mean that anything is wrong.  An ant might think, "God dang it, all I see all day long is nothing but dirt.  This world we live in sucks!"  Well, that poor little ant has no idea what lies beyond his vantage point.  But he lives his life, doing what he can, building, loving, reproducing.  And somehow it all has little meaning and great meaning all at the same time!

Isn't life a wonderful place?  So much to think about, argue about, and be happy and sad about.  Maybe I'm just more of an optimist than you are, but I'm pretty confident that the World as a Whole is doing "ok".  If we all die from the Sun exploding or the Earth's core dying, well I know that I for one lived my life with my own intergrity.  No amount of worry about celestial catastrophe is really going to change anything if the world is ultimately headed toward planetary destruction.  But if you want to believe that prayer will stop such a catastrophe, go ahead.  How you live your life is your choice.  I don't feel bad for what I am, what I know, what I think, feel, or believe.  I learn as I go in this life.  I'd love to end all the pain and suffering, and in the moments when I imagine that perfection, it does feel good.  Does it make a change?  I don't know.  I'm just being practical.  I believe there are a lot of things going on that I don't know about...much like how I'm using my computer at the moment, I'm just doing what I am doing at the moment, but there are background programs running that are doing all SORTS of things that I am unaware of.  And that's ok.  I don't need to know how to build a computer in order to enjoy using one. 






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