Hello Peter:

I figure the only way a person could really know is by spiritual experience.  In order to have such experiences a person might have to change his (or her) definitions of what God is.

Hi,

I think it depends on how you define God/god. I don't necessarily believe in the God of the Bible (it's too contradictory) but I believe there is a universal consciousness that connects us all with absolute morality.

Be that as it may, I posed a similar question on a forum using the example of how my family has reinvented history about my grandmother after she passed away. So, if my grandmother, a person I actually knew and witnessed with my own eyes, can be put on a pedestal and "deified," isn't it possible (and probable) that hundreds of centuries time has caused the same thing to happen with Jesus' story?

Personally, I don't see the point in arguing for/against it. There is no absolute way to prove/disprove it so what's the point. There has been enough division and strife over this issue. It's irrelevant. Live well, treat others the way you want to be treated and live a life of pure, unconditional love. The rest of it is just academic (and tiresome).

Kind regards,
mj

Yes, Jesus was fully human... and look at all he was able do, the love he taught, and the miracles he performed while being fully human should tell us something about ourselves. If only we truly understood the nature of our being, as he did... the consciousness of this world could certainly be a lot different than what it is.

Lights of Love wrote on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 4:09pm:


...and Jesus himself said that we would do greater things than him!
I interpret it meaning that we shall not put him on a pedestal and wait for his second coming and always think of ourselves as incapable of becoming like him, but find our way to our own spiritual growth, yes, leaning onto him, but not for remaining dependent little children, but for realizing  our full potential, as he did, and more!

How can you say that Jesus did this & that? You are only quoting from a book, that ANYONE could have written!! HOW do you know that those "stories" are true? It is only a BOOK!! - As I said before, in years to come, someone might find a "Harry Potter" book, & start believing in HIM!! lol -  I suppose some people have such empty lives, that they have to believe in SOMETHING!! The Bible is as good as any!! lol - I WANT PROOF!!   

HI Peter and welcome to the Board..

I find your question "short-put", a bit unconscious... but never the less interesting. As if your awaiting just a short a answer as you formulated your question.

I can share "my take on it", but before I do I would like to generate some general heat within your head, love. Simply by asking a few questions to you.

A Person, you encounter, a stranger .... you dont know, they have never said a word to you, you know nothing of them....

Is this person intelligent or is this person daft? You can`t touch "intelligence", its not something you can hold, see, touch, smell. We have to use the methodes which have been "created over time" inorder to measure "it". There had been many many thousands of years ago... where these technics of measurements were not available. I think you take the knowledge of such, for granted right this min.

But what about this perspective. => Someone whom you feel may be intelligent, may be completely daft ...compared to someone I may think is intelligent, or other way around, eh? So now we are at the divingbord of.. "different take on thing" ie. different Realities...different perspective..

The very fact that you asked the question to begin with, or that it was prompted for you to ask is your innerself "begging for Knowledge".. but Dear, you have already identified that "BOOKS" will be BOOKS, handwritten by man and they are certainly sold best due to ingrediant of highest quality of provacation =>Drama ..

So I hand it to you... you are infact intelligent. But please keep in mind not anyone, simply not everyone can be "an author" either. An Author is "inspired to write"...right? As Example: You know a car runs because its tanked with Gas, has a motor and mechanical parts, its not being "inspired" to do so out of seemingly nothingless, its mechanical and thats why it has "limits in its operation".

So lets get to your kern question. I believe several have tried to explain their take on the subject God.You want "proof"? Yet inorder to even first be able to "see", "hear", "touch", "smell" or even "taste" God, you have to be willing to let go of your "mechanical way of thinking". Simply because it "limits" you. Just as a car can never fly.

You will (and I can promise you such...) will "continue" to have plenty of opportunities to achieve your proof of God, providing you are willing to return to your true nature of "listening". Do your homework, open your heart and you will "get it"..

There are many many lessons as to what God is, and the reason why there are so many ways to attain the knowledge is simple. => Because there are many many many different Souls (Students at different levels of learning just as it is in gradeschool, jr. high and high school, college, univer. )

So if I were to tell you go look into the mirror then you at me, your neighbor, the person in another country , put them "all together" and you will see GOD =>you would call it blasphamy! Right? So now we are back to the "perspective issue" I mentioned above. A really nice testimony for me to come to the basics of understanding had been called "Conversations with God"...You can google it.

Maybe once you`ve broadend yourself through that by means of the basics...you`ll be ready for the next step.. =>ALL of Bruces beautiful testimony. You are clearly ready for it.


Can you proove to me that there is NO GOD?

Maybe the soul whom said the word "God" for the very first time was illiterate and really meant "DoG" (god spelled backwards) and imagine how many times you`ve then been mean to God, simply by yellin at your "dog!" 

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Nanner

[Oliver:] That depends how you define "God".
The "God" of the Old Testament seems to be of 7th rank in the Jewish Angelic Hierarchy, so he would not be "THE ONE AND ONLY GOD", but only "a God", the God of the Israelites.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_angelic_hierarchy

Is God a separate being, as described in the Bible? Then I would recommend to forget about him.

Your post illustrates the dangers of substituting online sources like Wikipedia for scholarly reading in the field of biblical studies.  Your sources, Maimonides and Jewish Kabbalah stem from the 11th to the 13th centuries CE and have nothing to do with Old Testament teaching.  As for Peter's  request for "absolute proof, " Matthew has exposed the absurdity of that request aptly and succinctly. 

{Peter:] "How can you say that Jesus did this & that? You are only quoting from a book, that ANYONE could have written!!"

Peter, almost everything you say about the Bible is absurd.  You obviously have not read any scholarly New Testament introduction that makes the case for the authorship and eyewitness connection of the various stories about Jesus.  Nor can you justify your pontifications about omniscience, a concept indemic throughout the Old Testament, despite the earlier crude anthropormorphisms.