I wonder why your asking Peter? Do you personally need some sort of proof? Are you on some sort of a quest in spirituality? I hope you find whatever your looking for, but if you looking to find answers here, I suggest you look inside instead. None of us have the one answer. Except perhaps for ourselves. So good luck to you. If you come up with any questions about afterlife knowledge you might find some direction or at least people who are willing to listen to your ideas and thoughts.

It is not ' do you believe in God' ? but 'in which God do you believe' ? Even Richard Dawkins believes in God its just that his is better known as 'the laws of nature' or 'the scientific method'. What is the nature of God that is the real question ...

Thank you Roger.

rondele wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 2:39pm:

hi This is beautiful,i love god jesus and the holy spirit so much,without them in my life,i could not keep going.This puts so much peace in your soul,i listen to it every morning i get up.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7_ufSuOQ3w&feature=related

love and God bless  love juditha x

KarmaLars makes the simplistic mistake of the fundamentalists in that rather than taking the bible as a holy text written by men, to inspire men and women with stories and analogies, he takes it word for word as if some cosmic white bearded man on a throne is making these staements.  Of course in that context, contradictions abound, and so come the barbaric analogies created around ancient laws man made which were man-inspired and not God inspired.

Anyone who thinks that the entire old testament was written by God word for word should examine the text.  It is a long text full of passages, psalms to God, some boring passages of who begat who....

No, to those who are open to it, the bible is a holy book written by man, inspired by God, full of stories and analogies with which to guide us to live by the golden rule.  Seen in that light, no one will be surprised by passages referencing the laws of the men who wrote it, with regard to barbarism, as the world was a barbaric place back then.  Yet the code to live by, the Ten commandments, in general contains the first real codified code of "values" which, in general led one to live in a loving way. 

Of course none of this has to do with a proof on the existence of God.  But to me, proof of this seems silly.  I see God manifest in everything; from the joy to tragedy, from the teeming world in which we live where there is an obvious universal force to grow, evolve and show intelligence.  There is a common force of love which is the underpinning of our consciousness.  This all comes from God.  From my point of view then it is silly to ask for proof.  Proof of what?  The proof is all around you.  Those who look for proof of an anthropomorphic Sky Father sitting on a chair throwing thunder bolts will never find it.  But that image of God is, in my opinion flawed in its limitations.

Matthew

DocM wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 7:11am:


Hi Matthew I agree God is not some Father Christmass sitting on a throne waiting to throw us into hell if we dare to disagree with him,

However many many great people believe/believed in God as does the great majority of the human race

The angry atheist Richard Dawking recently changed his position on whether God existed

See

http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2012/02/27/6-varieties-of-the-agnostic-experience/

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recoverer wrote on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 2:15pm:


Hi Recoverer after a long time!

Below is a letter I wrote some years ago to my atheist brother (Sibling) Roger


Below is a letter to my Atheistic sibling brother Roger I wrote some time ago on this exact subject

Dear Roger, I see you have found reason for living in this our physical mortal life, while we are on this earth, as your bike trip indicates to me. But how can you be so sure there is nothing beyond this life? That there might be a "loving God". Life after death remains unfortunately something neither I, nor anyone else, can ever prove to you for sure. I, however, strongly believe we continue to exist on in some form or other in dimensions of mind boggling unimaginable purpose, beauty and glory, and that our consciousness self continues to exist eternally after death.

Otherwise our earthly mortal lives, no matter what we do, are a vain brief fleeting moment in eternity that it is entirely without meaning purpose or reason.

Have you ever thought that to be an absolute atheist is much much more difficult be than to be one who believes in a creator, as true atheists have to explain and rationalise away to themselves and others, that everything that exists just popped out of nowhere, from nothingness, into a vacuum of dark nothingness, became light time and energy morphing finally, without reason or purpose, into the something that we have all around us.

All existence including mysterious life and intelligence thus evolving mindlessly, by nothing more than random chance. Therefore, to believe that nothing simple created nothing, in the distant past is to me the most ridiculous of premises.

What is life and how did the awesome colossal almost infinitely complex D.N.A molecule blue print of life "(evolve)" so blindingly quickly, in the very short time it did, in relative infinite cosmological time scale of eternity, if there were no intelligent designer behind it?

If for instance we took a hypothetical analogy of millions of Boeing 747 airplanes, full of bricks, mortar and water, and dropped all this, at random upon the earth for ten thousand billion years, would the result ever be the one of the glorious building constructions we see all around us, such as the wonderful beautiful Taj Mahal or the Sydney Opera house that was created, designed and built by mere mortal humanity? Do these constructions of man change or evolve by themselves over time? No they decay and go back to chaos.

Does life that needs to change or adapt just say to itself and mindlessly command its own D.N.A. molecule,, to reconfigure to suit the new environment and thus form new type life form, to meet new conditions?. Or does something else such as a higher intelligent power that sees the need and brings about the change? The latter case is to me very more likely to any thinking person.

But atheists make the case and would have one believe that all that exists, including our mighty vast and infinitely complex and unimaginable beautiful universe and wonderful blue water world of life earth, came into existence out of nothing, in just such a random act of mindless chance. This belief leads one to a vain purposeless life without moral absolutes we see in the evil wicked world all around us today.

Our breathtakingly beautiful universe is expanding constantly and must, therefore, have had definite beginning, in the far distant past. If you read in your dictionary that an agnostic believes no one can prove there is a god, just like no one can prove the opposite that there is no god.

To me this makes more sense than been an outright atheist who bluntly states as a definite fact that there is definitely and absolutely as fact no god or intelligent creator. The breathtaking wonder and beauty we see all around us does not to me equate with an evil uncaring god but a creator of infinite love and patience�.

My conclusion as an amateur astronomer leaves me with the unshakable belief that an Awesome Intelligence is behind the creation of the universe and this same mighty intelligence keeps the universe going. "GOD EXISTS" As you go on this very long bike ride through Australia you will feel the cool wind that cools your body and gives you life. You will drink of that most wonderful and unique transparent substance water that quenches your thirst, see the white clouds of day that sometimes grey with the promise coming rain, beneath the great dome of daily blue blue skies. Your body will constantly be invigorated, although sometimes so very tired, as you push on and continue your apparent journey through long roads of straight and mountainous passes, into the realms of apparent infinite eternity. Your mind renewed as never before as you travel the long path of pristine nature that is not yet contaminated by the evil of man.

Look at the glorious beauty of the universe, that on a micro scale, is reflected in that great and beautiful island of Australia, the long desolate silent plains, the mountains of breathtaking beauty, the faithful sun than rises and sets every morning and night in glorious red to warm your skin and give light, life to your body and sight to your eyes. The green green grass and trees all around you as you cycle through this wonder land of light and silence, with the soft sound of birds singing in harmony with other soft animals noises. The feel of wind upon your skin and the joy as you rest hungry and partake of the precious nourishment supplied by mother earth. The night sky ablaze with infinite stars and glorious never-ending galaxies, the heavens declare the glory of God�. Then tell me there is not an equally beautiful creative mind behind all of this peace glory and unimaginable beauty, beyond anything you have felt up to now as you progress towards your destination on your bicycle. Only humanity is full of greed, selfishness and evil, something that does not exist anywhere in nature. Again this creation of beauty and glorious wonder equates to an equally beautiful infinite eternal creative mind.
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Our breathtakingly beautiful astounding universe is held together and governed by precise exact infinitely accurate fundamentals laws or constants, such as, velocity of light, electromagnetic interaction constant, gravitational constant, to name only a few. (Laws that according to the atheists that have come about illogically without a Law Giver) If these fundamental constants differed, even by an infantilism fraction, the universe, humanity and all life would simple not exist? The universe is also expanding constantly and must have had a beginning point in the far distant past. Something with a beginning has need of a Creator I call this something God�. Why do I put so much emphasis on a beginning? It is due to the fact that without a beginning the concept of time would be non existent as there could never be a start point in time to and we could never have reached the point of time we have in an infinite eternal universe. Will the universe ever end? Science says yes it is going to end due to the fact that the universe is finite and subject to Newton’s second law of thermodynamics and relentless progress of entropy. According to them the universe will inevitably die a cold dark heat death. Is this fact? I don’t know so I just say to all that ask me this question, just wait and see.

What have scientist discovered about our beautiful universe? That it is precise ordered and accords with basic mathematical constants are fact. Exact precise laws require an intelligent exact Law Giver don’t you think? It was created by the master mathematician. I say that the universal laws were set by a Divine Creator, who created all existence and who mankind refers to as the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. Blessed be the Ever Existing Eternal Infinite One forever, to which I owe everything. I have nothing but the utmost profound deepest love, reverential fear and wonder, because He holds my eternal fate in His beloved mighty eternal infinite hands.

Mortal life is such a brief flashing moment in the grand order of things, cosmic time and so very short that it cannot be measured relative the immense vastness of the almost infinite eternity of the universe. One flashing moment in eternity and mere mortal life is gone forever. There must be more to our existence or all is vain and without purpose. Someone rose from this infinite death to give us eternal hope, who was he?

I look not for a city that passes away, made by mere mortal man, but a mighty city, a City of God, eternal, whose maker and creator is God that endures for eternity in golden translucent glory of blinding light forever

Love,

Regards

Alan 3/4/2007