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heisenberg69
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Mar 5th, 2012 at 7:02pm
 
In the news today Eric Bikubi and Magalie Bamu are starting sentences of 30 years and 25 years respectively for the torture and murder of Bamu's 15 year old brother,Kristy, in London (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17255470). The pair killed Kristy during an exorcism in a bath because they believed the boy was a witch. An expert called to the trial reported that there was a rise in such cases as traditional cultural beliefs met a growing Christian fundamentalism.

This got me thinking about fundamentalism in general. It seems to me that whether its the Muslim suicide bomber strapping a bomb vest to his body, the Christian pastor burning Korans or the Athiest dismissing all religion as evil, the one commonality with all fundamentalism is the absolute 100% cast iron belief that one's beliefs are THE TRUTH, no argument, no debate. The question I would like to pose is that if fundamentalism is a growing phenomenon in the world (as the expert suggested) what is the PUL-based response to it. If we all try to be the most 'PUL-attuned' we can be will it naturally wither away over time or does it need a more direct approach to tackle it ...
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Reply #1 - Mar 5th, 2012 at 7:46pm
 
There is a difference between the literal translation of "the Word" and the true meaning of "the Word," and this is one area where those who take every passage from a holy book literally miss the forest for the trees.

The Old and New Testament are full of analogies, parables, and teachings which are not always obvious to everybody.  They are also full of contradictions and human situations (incest, deceit, etc.) which are meant more to be relevant to the human condition than to be taken literally.   Many times, the great leaders of Israel sinned, and had to seek forgiveness. 

It is a grave mistake to only understand the literal translation of a holy text without understanding the gestalt or "heart" of the matter.


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Reply #2 - Mar 5th, 2012 at 8:30pm
 
DocM wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 7:46pm:
There is a difference between the literal translation of "the Word" and the true meaning of "the Word," and this is one area where those who take every passage from a holy book literally miss the forest for the trees.

The Old and New Testament are full of analogies, parables, and teachings which are not always obvious to everybody.  They are also full of contradictions and human situations (incest, deceit, etc.) which are meant more to be relevant to the human condition than to be taken literally.   Many times, the great leaders of Israel sinned, and had to seek forgiveness. 

It is a grave mistake to only understand the literal translation of a holy text without understanding the gestalt or "heart" of the matter.


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Matthew: "It is a grave mistake to only understand the literal translation of a holy text without understanding the gestalt or "heart" of the matter."

So when God told Moses and other OT prophets it was OK to kill the men, women, and children, including cattle, of others they considered enemies, God meant something else but never came back to correct his earlier statements and tell them it was really a recipe for kosher apple pie. 



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Reply #3 - Mar 5th, 2012 at 9:03pm
 
KarmaLars,

Thank you for making my point, precisely!    Much of the bible is filled with common, mundane conflicts and is clearly written by men - men and prophets who had to justify conquest and preservation to the masses.   Obviously,  the bible was written by man, but has teachings in it, that were inspired by God. 

As such, there is the general mosaic code (the ten commandments) and then specific and mundane codes and laws, including horrific rules regarding stonings, etc. which men created to live in a more savage time. 

So, no the bible is not literally the word of a separate anthropomorphic sky-God, but there is a code of conduct which many find to be of divine origin to be found in it; namely the golden rule, love of God and creation, and love of other people.

The bibles stand apart as a compliation of rich compelling human drama and stories, which taken as an entire text, help people evolve spiritually and treat each other better. 

Those fundamentalists, and people like yourself who point to a single part of the text written by men, and state (or imply) "see what a barbaric God you have" completely miss the point.


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Reply #4 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 9:24am
 
It seems to me that fundamentalism comes in many guises and not just the religious ones. It seems to boil down to a basic belief system intransigence or 'a Medusa Mindset' (as in the petrifying gorgon) as a philosopher friend colourfully put it. How to address it seems very relevent to this board because not only does it cause problems in this world (which we see when we turn on the tv) but  may also make afterlife retrievals much more difficult.
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