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Reply #45 - Mar 21st, 2012 at 3:05pm
 
Focu27, I guarantee you that your whole perspective on the paranormal will be transformed if you carefully read David Fontana, "Is There an Afterlife?  A Comprehensive Overview of the Evidence."  I have repeatedly challenged and dared you to readt, but you have ducked my challenge in terror at what this might do to your smug dogmatism.  You won't be able to resist this awesome evidence for the paranormal.  Prove me wrong!  The only thing that saves you is your close-minded and your rssulitng refusal to embrace and honest and open inquiry.
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Reply #46 - Mar 21st, 2012 at 4:48pm
 
Focus27 wrote on Mar 21st, 2012 at 2:28pm:
A perfect example of a test that is highly questionable. Add the fact that the PLANCHETTE does not move whatsoever with a single person and you have more ideomotor evidence!


Surely if the planchette moved when you were on your own you would attribute this to the ideomotor effect?

I'd love to hear why you think otherwise.

Andy
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Reply #47 - Mar 21st, 2012 at 4:54pm
 
Also,

If it moves with 2 people there then how can you scientifically test this?

You won't know who was making the movements as the ideomotor effect is an involuntary reaction. It's also a very basic reaction so I find it very hard to believe that it's capable of spelling out messages on a board!

Not saying that the messages are from spirits of course but saying it's the ideomotor effect is an assumption at best.

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Reply #48 - Mar 23rd, 2012 at 2:35pm
 
It's simple, combine Ideomotor with two conscious people looking at a board = RESULTS.


In addition.... BLINDFOLD the two people using the board.

This has been tested time and time again..... With the most interesting results.... GIBBERISH!

(You can easily google search blindfold ouija board)


Also, in response, if the planchette moved with me by myself I would be able to ask the spirit questions I do not know the answers to and later could verify them.....

DUH...... I have an answer for every question... just perhaps not the answer you are looking for, yet, it is scientifically sound.
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Reply #49 - Mar 23rd, 2012 at 3:19pm
 
Focus27 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2012 at 2:35pm:
It's simple, combine Ideomotor with two conscious people looking at a board = RESULTS.


In addition.... BLINDFOLD the two people using the board.

This has been tested time and time again..... With the most interesting results.... GIBBERISH!

(You can easily google search blindfold ouija board)


This doesn't answer my questions at all as it doesn't prove that it's the ideomotor effect beyond all doubt, it's just a possible explanation and still needs more testing.

Oh, I don't have time to sift through all of the nonsense which google brings up about oujia boards from seemingly crackpot believers and equally crackpot pseudosceptics.

Why not post a link to what you would class as a valid source?

Focus27 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2012 at 2:35pm:
Also, in response, if the planchette moved with me by myself I would be able to ask the spirit questions I do not know the answers to and later could verify them.....


Some things cannot be verified, i.e what my first pets name was. I could tell you but as it can't be verified does that mean that I'm lying?

Still needs more testing.
Focus27 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2012 at 2:35pm:
DUH...... I have an answer for every question... just perhaps not the answer you are looking for, yet, it is scientifically sound.


What am I wearing?


Andy
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Reply #50 - Mar 23rd, 2012 at 5:40pm
 
Andy and I disagree on several points.  But Focus 27, Andy has you nailed on this issue.
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Reply #51 - Mar 24th, 2012 at 8:06am
 
Berserk2 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2012 at 5:40pm:
Andy and I disagree on several points.  But Focus 27, Andy has you nailed on this issue.


Hi Berserk,

Just out of interest, which points do you disagree with me on this?

I'd say you know a lot more than I do on this subject as I have little experience of ouija boards, so I would appreciate your insight so I can come to a better understanding of the subject.

Andy

P.S. Simple logic tells me that Focus's points weren't the answer to what is happening with ouija boards. At least not the definitive answer, that is.
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