I think Matthew is trying to distinguish between someting that feels like it comes from outside (guidance) versus something that comes from ..inside (intuition). I think some people use the terms interchangably.

So there are many subtleties to the mind and how it works and receives information. This is difficult to clearly discuss because we each experience something unique. Does itmatter if there is a difference beween the two?

But I do something I call thinking in different parts of my mind (maybe brain) because the thoughts themselves can have different "textures" and sometimes I seem to "click" between the different textures. Even memories can be different in this way. Some are like photographs, some are impressionist paintings, some are feelins. But they all get lumped under the term "memories."

In a video I mentioned to Vicky in another thread, James van Praagh touches on the different ways he experiences information. I guess this is just very difficult to discuss because we don't have one-to-one correlation between words and experiences.

and then there are the times I think I am in the flow and I feel one thing and I turn out to be dead wrong! What's that all about???

betson wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 11:24am:


I have been documenting and categorizing the different ways I receive psychic information, and the most intriguing one is what I've labeled "The Voice".  Many of you here have seen me mention this many times.  I have no idea where or who this comes from but I use the umbrella term "Guidance" for all my psychic and spiritual experiences.  So far, to me I just chalk it up to my higher self consciousness.  I have no personal experience of knowing/believing where or who I can label this kind of stuff from.

When I hear The Voice it's always in my right ear, sounds exactly the same way I hear any living person speak, it always speaks to me in 2nd person, and it tells me what is about to happen in the future about things I couldn't possibly know through normal means.  Closely related to this category is instead of hearing it spoken, I will receive the message/information in my mind in words as in a thought form.  It comes in specific words, is also in 2nd person, and it's not something that originated in my own mind.  Again, it gives me information about something I couldn't possibly know and/or information about a future event. 

I have several other categories that I've experienced but I guess I'd say these 2 are most impressive for the fact that they feel as if they are coming to me/given by someone else, espcially for the fact that it "speaks" to me in 2nd person.  That's very interesting.  Obviously when I talk or think to myself, I don't refer to myself in the 2nd person.  I'd say to myself, "I should do the dishes" whereas The Voice once said: "You should go get the phone.  You'll be receiving an important phone call."  In that experience, I did listen to The Voice and got the phone.  Within 30 minutes my friend's 12-year-old daughter called me asking if I'd drive her to the pharmacy to get her inhaler.  She was home alone, scared, and didn't know who else to call.  That's pretty impressive.  And the reason it told me this?  I'm guessing it's because I was about to take a nap and I intentionally was going to turn the phone off.

Or this one that came as a thought:  "You should go introduce yourself to that woman over there.  She has the video."  I was at the elemenatry school watching Field Day.  I'd wanted to know if anyone had video taped the school play from the night before, and the teacher told me she'd knew of a parent whose son filmed it but she didn't know their name and she'd get back to me.  So later while watching my kids during field day when that thought came, I decided to listen to it.  I went over and introduced myself to this woman I'd never seen before, and she said, "Hi I'm Karen.  My son is the one who video taped the school play last night.  Did you get your name in for getting a copy of it?"  I was so stunned! 

So wherever this info comes from, and whoever gives it to me are beyond my knowledge.  All I know at this point is noticing how I receive them and then take notes of the details, label them so I can remember how they work, and the more I have the more I just trust and accept it.  I have had so many of them that I don't even question it, I just trust it.  But as far as where or who they come from?  I can't answer that, I only have my basic theory of coming from what I call my higher self guidance. 

Hi,

So due to Matthew's experience we are all trying to discern where this information comes from.

Matthew, if you asked the nurse if she had been thinking prior to your arrival that this patient needed help, or even more specifically, that you Dr Matthew had the skills to help this patient, then perhaps we could say that the information came through her thoughts. Is it too late to ask her that?

Or -- In other words, how much do other humans in an interconnected network of thoughts communicate to each other without obvious connections?

I'm not trying to rule out non-physical Helpers and Guides.  I'm just trying to find information on the variety of possible non-physical means of communicating information.

Bets

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Matthew,

I'm fascinated by the distinction you are analyzing, but let me add some controversial spice with this example. John Wimber was a Quaker turned charismatic minister and founder of the Vineyard denomination which is akin to the Assemblies of God.  He shared this experience aboard a jumbo jet.  While daydreaming in his seat, he found himself staring at a guy across the aisle.  Suddenly he had a vision of the word "adultery" written across the guy's forehead.  The guy noticed him staring and was mildly put off: "Why are you staring at me?"  he asked.  Suddenly a woman's name came to John's mind and he asked, "Does the name Saundra Klausner mean anything to you?"  (Not her real name!).  The man turned pale and, visibly shaken, insisted, "We need to talk!"  The jumbo jet had a little bar and they walked down to it.  As they sat down, John felt prompted to say, "The Lord has revealed to me that you are committing adultery with [the women named] and that, unless you stop, He will take you home."  At this the man broke down and asked desperately, "What should I do?"  John led him in a prayer of repentance and he promises to sever his illicit relationship.

I share this incident that I only recently discovered because it dramatically raises the question of the distinction you want to explore.  Was John's clairvoyant insight (in Christian terms, a "word of knowledge") guidance from the Holy Spirit or mere intuition?    Does the paranormal disclosure of the woman's name validate the revelation that the adulterer would "be taken home" (die) unless he discontinued his adultery?  Or should that word of judgment be dismissed as John's imposed interpretation upon his clairvoyant insight? 

Don,

This is fascinating.  I believe, the distinction is important.  Some may consider just the paranormal experience alone as proof that there was a divine message or judgement involved. 

For myself, I would think the difference between a personal "knowing" and an external guidance should feel and truly be different.   I see no reason why we should not be able to have communications with those in spirit, (angels) in which we are given information or instructions.  But just as in any conventional message, there should be an understanding on our part that this is in fact a message and not a personal "known". 

Admittedly, there is a continuum of ways in which we communicate, and as such it can be hard to figure out.

Don, you used to cite a story where a family member of yours was directed to go somewhere where, as I recall he encountered someone who may have been possessed.  That, to me sounds like guidance.  It was not a "known" to your brother, but he was directed where to go. 

Once, while driving down a winding road upstate in NY near my home, I saw the tail of a deer as it crossed the road.  I was not going quickly.  In my head/right ear I heard "where there is one, there are many."  Just at that point, a large deer jumped from the brush and smashed into the side/front of my car.  The sound was horrible.  I was upset.  I searched for the deer, knowing that it must have been horribly injured, but I could not find it.  I am convinced that it could not have survived.

That sentence "where there is one, there are many" I can only describe as guidance.  And I wish I had a fraction of a second more to have changed the outcome of that.

Matthew

Don,

It's my opinion that the man with the vision who received the woman's name put his own interpreptation into it as to what the meaning and purpose was for the clairvoyant message.  I myself have received such personal information about people but I haven't felt compelled to tell them what to do about it.  That's not my place. Of course the difference between me and this man in your story is the difference in our religious beliefs.  I have no religious beliefs.  I don't judge people that way nor do I believe some higher being tells us what to do and tells us what we do wrong.  Therefore his interpretation came from his background of religious belief.  For if there was one such right way to believe, then even someone like me would also be given the same compelling feeling to repremand the aldulter and tell him what his punishment will be, would I not?

One of the ideas this thread brings to my mind is the notion of a divine plan or divine intelligence.  If there is knowing within us without an outside "mind" being involved, and if there are individual pinpoints of consciousness which are independent yet part of a whole, then there may be such a thing as a divine intelligence or "plan." 

Either events are completely random, influenced by our earth bound presences alone, or, possibly there is an intelligence behind the universe.  If there is a cosmic consciousness, then it stands to reason that from time to time, divine grace may shine down on any of us, and direct us along a path we might not go on.  But if so, under what circumstances are we guided, and what other circumstances do we go it on our own?