I'd be surprised if Jesus actually said such a thing.

It seems to me if people choose to follow such a course they do so more because they are afraid of Jesus rather than they love him. Oh, they might say that they love him, but how can a person truly love someone if he feels as if he better or else? True love can't be forced and doesn't include fear.

I believe it is really insulting for fundamentalists to speak of Jesus in such a way. If he really had something to offer would he have to threaten people to choose it?  Would he have to say something such as, "Look, I have all this love, peace, joy, beauty, wisdom and perfection to offer you, take it or I'll squash you like a bug."

Or does Jesus have enough sense to realize that when a soul wants to find true fullfillment and perfection it will quite naturally move in the direction of Christ Consciousness?

I think faith is fine, but it is usually best to back it with some common sense.

JDEE:

There are people including myself who have had contact with the spirit of Jesus and he does not need to be feared.

On the other hand there are fear-based viewpoints that are based on how some people interpret the Bible.

It isn't as if God wrote the Bible and then it fell out of the sky. Rather, numerous men wrote its chapters, men determined what chapters get in and which don't, and men translated the chapters that were included.

When Jesus lived things such as video cameras didn't exist.  Stories about his life and what he said were passed on by word of mouth. They weren't written down until a number of years after he died. Some say that some people had political motivations when they decided how the Bible should be compiled.

The above being the case, it might be better to go by what people of recent times have found when they experienced Jesus' presence.

How sad it is that many people fear a man/being who doesn't want to be feared.


jdee190 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2012 at 9:02pm:

Albert,


From John 11:  Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he die."

From my perspective, Jesus was the embodiment of the true spirit of realized love.  So from my reading he is saying "I am the love/life force."  He who believes in me (in this love which is our foundation), will live, eventhough he die."

Of course many on this board believe that we live in spirit eventhough we die on the physical plane. 

If Jesus' prescription for love of God and love on one's fellow man is the light and the way, then fundamentalists have it wrong.  In some ways, this is JC saying that you can live forever if you follow the path of love, and that he who follows that path, will never die. 

Note that there were no churches established when this saying was uttered.  So it is ridiculous to me, that fundamentalists would apply this passage to say that you must follow the observances in one church or another in order to "live forever."  It is more obvious that it is the message of Jesus, which if taken to heart, pushes us all in the path of love so that after we die, we live in spirit.


Matthew

  Quite frankly Matthew and Oliver, the big J dude was talking about the resurrection process that he knew he would go through, and that others also had the potential for. 

   Ask him yourself.  It's quite literally about transcending the so called "necessity" for that which we call physical death and transition.   

There are hints here and there in other more psychic sources about this process.  We find it in Rosiland McKnight's channeled info, we find it in Bob Monroe's work (not just "He/She", but also Bob's encounters with far past humans, and humans in about 1500 years from now), and we find it in Cayce's work in various manners and ways.   

  One might ask, why would  one not want to physically transition from this life?   Picture this, you are completely conscious of all dimensions and can completely move through them all at will.  You are pure Love incarnate, and only care about the needs of the Whole.   You know your "job" is retrieval of those stuck aspects of self, the Larger Whole--to be an active force of healing of the Whole.   Isn't holistic retrieval in all dimensions simultaneously the way to go?   

   Wouldn't you want to focus your retrieval efforts also in the physical dimension since this is a dimension wherein so much suffering and pain exists?   What would be the "point" in projecting another self into the physical from your Disk, if you didn't have to go through that whole, risky reincarnation process again? 

  When you reincarnate into a babies body, you run some risks that you may go off your path again, because this world is so heavy and distorted and has such a strong effect on growing humans.   Why not cut out that process and just stay here until all your brothers and sisters have been retrieved?   What did he say, he said he would be with us till the end of time. 

This was no idle or symbolic promise, he, Yeshua, is still very much in-physical interacting with fellow humans.  He never really left, except for those 3 days when his body was completely dead and his nonphysical consciousness separated from same.

  And he will be making public appearances again, once those who are his, have made the way passable for him, and by passable, i mean natural law according to "Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like".  We must collectively attract this experience in, and until then, he stays incognito and underground. 

And others in the near future, will become like him, to show humanity that this is a very real reality and process open to all, once these come into their own, will he come again publicly.  People who will demonstrate the same kind of abilities and so called "miracles" that he did in his life.  People that others will take full notice of. 

And what's left of humanity on this Earth, will be inspired to become like those full graduates who are completely intune with PUL.

JDEE:

I couldn't precisely tell you how accurate the gospels are when it comes to Jesus' life. Going by some of the spirit information I received he was crucified.

I believe we have to use our discrimination when we read "anything" and allow for the possibility that for whatever reasons something might be misrepresented.  I don't think we do Jesus or anybody else a favor when we don't allow ourselves to thoroughly consider whether what people wrote about him is accurate.



jdee190 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2012 at 9:03pm:

Soul never die, dei only body.

i beleive everything that was written about jesus and i beleive he was the son of god,thats why when i really suffer,i think of jesus suffering and dieing on the cross

so i could have eternal life when i die and go to the spiritworld,god,jesus's father and our father which art in heaven,knows me more than i know myself,i put myself in God's hands so he can lead where i need to go and what i need to do on this earth plain.

i love you jesus,God and the holy spirit so much,thanks for loving me amen

love and god  love juditha