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Reply #15 - Feb 12th, 2012 at 1:23pm
 
Bardo,

Thanks for sharing this information. I will look this up and read more.

Kind regards,
mj

P.S. Did you find your toothpaste, yet? Wink
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Reply #16 - Feb 13th, 2012 at 2:57pm
 
Just Me wrote on Feb 12th, 2012 at 12:04am:
Hi Justin,

I think if we could remove the ability to get into physical altercations and all weapons from the room, most religious discussion would easily show that many of them have the same basic foundation. I doubt that will happen in our lifetimes (this one at least), but I envision a world where we can live harmoniously together and honor each other's journeys along the way. I don't want to believe anything less is possible.

Thanks for adding to this discussion. I'm enjoying reading and learning.

Kind regards,
mj


  Hi Mj,

  I agree, i think at their core and at their best, different religions really teach the same things, which  basically revolve around love, ethics, etc.  All very good and worthwhile things. 

  I happen to suspect that in the case of Christianity, some less expanded and lacking in Light forces purposely got a hold on it and began a process of trying to distort it and use it for the wrong reasons. 

We see the results now in the things that you and Recoverer have mentioned--the various intolerances, prejudices, corruptness, etc. and yet not once did Yeshua ever preach any of those, and he was one of the few ancient Women's Lib advocates.   

   One thing which i do believe is a bit different between real Christianity and other belief systems, and which is something i intuitively suspected for a long time, which Guidance has confirmed in various ways, is that of Yeshua having been a Teacher who was fully and completely "enLightened" or as i like to say, completely intune with PUL Consciousness. 

  While others were close and taught similar things as he, he lived it to the nth degree and exampled it like no other has before or since.  He proved his complete attunement to Love Divine, by conquering the illusion of the so called necessity of physical death which is something that no relatively modern religious Teacher (Krishna, Buddha, Mohammad, etc) has done.   This was a powerful statement to others and to the World that truly "He and Source" were One completely. 

   So, while i'm not religious nor do i call myself a Christian, because of my experiences and because of this awareness, is why i put so much emphasis on Yeshua in the particular, because truly he was and is the perfect example in the Earth of complete and full attunement to PUL Consciousness (Pure, Unconditional Love).   Examples are far more powerful than words. Many teachers have and do preach PUL in different ways, but how many are a pure, living expression of it?

   Plus we are friends and co-workers from way back, and i've always respected him in various other Earthly lives, nonphysical dimensions, and even other realities.   He's often been a sort of teacher and guide to us all and to me, and i will always, always be appreciative to him for his help. 

  I doubt i would be where i am at today in my spiritual growth and level of happiness, if wasn't for him in his lifetime as Yeshua, or in his other helper roles and lifetimes before Christianity. 

 

   
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Reply #17 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 11:16am
 
Hi Justin,

Thanks for your post. It gives much to think about. I am not familiar with Yeshua, but will look him up.

Like you, and many others, I have found Christianity to be lacking in the fundamental basics of applying its teachings to real life applications and accountability.

Many years ago I was visiting my grandmother. My sister and I had taken some board games with us and were sitting on the floor playing Monopoly. I asked my grandmother to play with us and she declined citing the Bible and something about God not liking people to throw dice (or something along those lines). Even as a little kid I instinctively knew that was outrageous. What kind of God would strike somebody down for playing Monopoly?

I've thought about that short exchange over the years because I think it really illustrates how so-called *church teachings* are either taken out of context and/or pushing people away from the church and religion, as a whole. [And, I do not believe religion and spirituality are the same thing and even that becomes convoluted for many people].
Yes, I can understand God not liking when people gamble, especially when it jeopardizes their family's stability because of lack of funds for basic necessities. However, is that close to the same thing as playing a board game with little kids on a Saturday afternoon? To me, it isn't. Yet, in my travels, studies and experiences, more often than not, I've encountered people who are *stuck* in a handful of "rules" that are applied with such a broad stroke they've lost sight of the big picture. It's why adherents break away and start their own religions and why others never question or consider anything outside what they've been taught. The built-in safeguards for keeping people in line have stifled their independent growth and failed to appreciate/tolerate their individual journeys.

In the case of Catholicism...the church basically wanted to keep as many parishoners as possible so they created the rules to ensure that continued to happen.

For example...

- A Catholic person is required to marry within the church and their future spouse must agree for any offspring to be raised in the Catholic religion.

- A Catholic person is required to seek counsel within the church when problems arise within the marriage. The church frowns upon divorce, thereby forcing many people to choose to be ex-communicated (removed from the church) or staying in unhappy, unfulfilling and sometimes dangerous situations.

- A Catholic person is taught that any kind of contraception is wrong and is not permitted. Therefore, families are having children they sometimes can't afford and men and women are exposing themselves to diseases that could be minimized if proper precautions were taken.

The central theme is quite clear - get as many people into the church as possible and keep the rosters full, by any means necessary. Beyond that, nothing else matters. Oh, and give us 10% of everything you earn thereby making the Catholic church one of the richest, most solvent businesses in the World.

I am aware (and, have personally experienced) this is the goal in many religions and I don't discount the validity of strength in numbers. My concern is people swearing blind allegience to something based on half-truths and sometimes damaging beliefs in the interest of acceptance. In that sense, it's understandable why people would fight to the death to defend their belief systems. Who would choose to be ostracized from their families, friends and practically everything they've ever known just by asking questions? It's a huge price to pay especially for someone who has been loved and accepted (albeit conditionally) within those social structures.

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mj

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Reply #18 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 11:43am
 
  Hi Mj,

"Yeshua" is simply the original name of Jesus, if you met him back in the day when he was publicly teaching. 

  I refuse to call him "Jesus" because to me this signifies when the Romans got involved with him and his Teachings and started to twist, distort, and change it all.  Even when i was a young one, i remember being in history class and quite disliking the Romans and what they were about.

  He was to me Yeshua then, and if i must use a name for him, it will always be Yeshua--his given birth name. 

  People are confused by me, because i'm not, nor have i ever been religious in this life, i don't call or label myself a "Christian", and yet i speak so much on and about Yeshua whom i consider my Teacher and Guide par excellence. 

    Yep, i've always been a rather strange one and since very young.   My mom's female friends use to comment on my eyes from the time i was a wee baby, "Your baby, (and kid, young adult, etc) has laser eyes that look right through and into people." 

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Reply #19 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 11:57am
 
Hi Justin,

Ah, I think I did know that. It sounds familiar now that you've explained it. I think societies enjoy stripping people of their heritage and cultural connections.

I don't think you're strange, but that's coming from someone who is also labelled that way. I've been told the same thing about my eyes.

Oh, I have something funny to tell you. I have seen your avatar on your posts and until last week I thought you were holding some kind of video camera. I rarely wear my contacts when I'm using my laptop and I can't honestly say I really stared at it. Then, one day...I saw the "camera" has eyes. How silly is that? MJ needs more restorative sleep. lol

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mj
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Reply #20 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 12:04pm
 
Grin

LOL, i will tell Kenya that when she was a kitten, she looked like a camera.  I'm sure i might get an arched eyebrow or two in response, but hey i thought it was funny.  Wink
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Reply #21 - Feb 16th, 2012 at 12:28pm
 
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LOL, i will tell Kenya that when she was a kitten, she looked like a camera.  I'm sure i might get an arched eyebrow or two in response, but hey i thought it was funny.  Wink


Hi Justin,

Please tell Kenya I think she's cute too. I had a cat many years ago, but we had to find him a new home because the baby was allergic (I am too) to his dander. He is living with two elderly sisters not too far from our old home. He followed me around like a puppy usually does (and cats are not known to do) and loved to sleep between my knees when I was laying on my stomach. I am very familiar with the arched eyebrow look. I got it all the time (especially when he basically told me he knew I was with child before I even knew).

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