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Re: Does this not prove there is a devil?
Reply #15 - Feb 8th, 2012 at 8:38am
 
My fear and concern is that I will go to hell Pat
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Re: Does this not prove there is a devil?
Reply #16 - Feb 8th, 2012 at 12:34pm
 
jdee190 wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 8:38am:
My fear and concern is that I will go to hell Pat


  Och Lad, you strike me as a decent bloke, you ken, no need to worry about this.

  But seriously Jdee, do you consider yourself a good or at least decent person, do you tend to care about others and how you affect them (caring about their happiness or lack)? 

   If you answer yes to any of this, chances are that you will bypass any temporal, unpleasant dimension when you transition.   

But really, none of us can help you with this fear--it sounds like you need to accumulate some experiences of your own dealing with the afterlife, and see more for yourself.    But, for what's it's worth, when i tune into you, i feel someone that has far more positive than negative in them, and going to a temporal "hell" is not about having certain religious beliefs or not, but about being more negative than positive in being.  It's about an impersonal, universal "energetic" or consciousness 'law' built into all creation called "Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like." 

  Really, there is no real need for you to worry about this.  Just be a good person and consider others, and you will go to a very pleasant afterlife dimension/consciousness area.
   
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Re: Does this not prove there is a devil?
Reply #17 - Feb 8th, 2012 at 3:05pm
 
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  Hi Josie,

  Thank you for the clarification.  Yes, to be honest the thought and feeling did cross my mind that you may be referencing to this particular thread, and i offered my earlier clarification in case you were.  I wasn't completely sure one way or the other though.

  Either way, even if you had been referencing to this thread, i would not have been offended or upset--it's just that i have the repeat experience of being misunderstood by others and sometimes desire to be better understood.  It's my still kickin human side.  I need to grow up fully.

 
p.s., i found your account quite interesting and i imagine that it took some courage just to even talk about it openly and in public and so i thank you for that as well.   Too often we try to shove and keep the shadow under the rug, because it makes us feel uncomfortable to deal with it openly and in the light of day.  It takes definite courage to go against this flow or norm.



Hi Justin aka Vasya,

I reread my first post and realized that it might appear I meant someone, in particular. I did not. Generally, I have seen different groups of people attack people for no other reason than to try to "beat them into submission." I was on an Atheist discussion forum because I like to understand different points of view and think about things (I'm one of those "weirdos that does not find tv entertaining). Many times, theists would join the group just for the purpose of proselytizing and fighting. Conversely, sometimes non-believers would join Christian groups just to call members stupid and uneducated.  Shocked Personally, I don't really understand why people can't have different opinions without it being an issue for division? Yet, time and time again I've seen it happen over what really amounts to rather insignificant matters. What difference does someone else's religion have to do with another person's life or path? I just don't *get* it.

Thanks for your nice words about my posting my experiences. I do not really mind sharing if my experiences help someone else along their path. I've never been "afraid" of not being on the bandwagon mainly because I learned quite early that I could never jump through all the imaginary hoops others were placing in front of me for their approval (one positive for being abused by my parents). If someone judges me or thinks I'm crazy for sharing my truths, then it's their choice to close the door to getting to know me. I can count on one hand the number of people I have closed the door on and ALL of them were a threat to my physical and/or mental safety or that of my children. Otherwise, I generally just try to live and let live (and learn some things along the way). Wink

By the way, from my side of the screen you're grown up just fine. It takes quite a bit of maturity to acknowledge that we may have offended another person and try to clear the air. Thanks for that.

Kind regards,
mj
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Re: Does this not prove there is a devil?
Reply #18 - Feb 8th, 2012 at 3:12pm
 
jdee190 wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 6:19pm:
Thank you for your replies everyone.

I just cant get it in my head that if my late grandad is in heaven, which I believe he is because he appeared to my gran after his passing, then I will be joining him. He wasnt a Catholic or a religious person, not at all and never cared about Church. But he was the greatest, kindest person you could meet.



Hi there Jdee,

What if your granddad is not in Heaven? What if he is in his "happy place" watching over the family and visiting your gran? Would it be easier to accept if we didn't apply labels to such places?

By the way, there is a psychological process most humans have to use themselves as the "standard" by which to measure other people and situations. For example, we are most likely to find people most like ourselves appealing while we find people most UNlike us unappealing (I don't mean physical attractiveness here). With that said, have you ever noticed that we generally think we are the absolute best until someone else tells us otherwise? Have you ever met a two year old without an AMAZING sense of entitlement and self-love? I haven't. lol The point is whatever *blocks* you are having to believing you are "worthy" of ultimate joy and happiness (in this life or the afterlife) is more about your conditioning versus your true self-belief. Do you see the difference?

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mj
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