Saint Padre Pio visibly seen Satan dance in front of him.

Exorcisms using Jesus and Mary.

I once had a fever and saw a tiger lurking around my room.  Does this prove that there was a tiger in my room?  Certainly not.

I've never run into a devil in my explorations.  Come to think of it, I've never run into any kind of negative entity, save for objective representations of fear.  I have it on good authority that such beings do not exist, at least not in this area of consciousness.

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You forgot to mention that Robert Monroe wrote in his third book Ultimate Journey that he was told by his I-there that unfriendly influences (both human and non-human) have been involved with this World for quite a while. He was also told that they do influence some people.

Going by the info I've received unfriendly influences have been involved with this World.

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Hi,

My "good authority" would indeed be Moen, and a few nonphysical person's that I've contacted.

By "this area of consciousness," I mean Our System-- this physical universe and the accompanying area of nonphysical reality.  Any talk of "negative entities" and I automatically become skeptical.  But I'm thinking of the traditional notions of "demons" and all that, as far as extraterrestrials go I'm afraid I have little experience in that area.

In my experience, all negative beings I've run into are either thought-forms of fear or "little scamps" that try to make themselves bigger and scarier than they really are.  And that's really what it all comes down to-- experience.  I haven't been doing this for very long, and as I mentioned a second ago, I haven't worked with contacting extraterrestrials. 

The one time I managed to shift my awareness to an area outside of our system (physical universe, afterlife, I/There) I found myself in what I believe to be some sort of alternate dimension, a completely different form of consciousness than we humans experience.  It was so alien that I'm still trying to work out what I experienced.

   Sometimes some are quick to see attack where there is none, but rather an expression of the more Yang side of Love, which is a bit "tougher" in nature, as in 'tough love'.   Those over polarized to the Yin within, don't often understand or recognize this aspect of love which even Yeshua displayed on occasion-- "no nonsense, matter of fact, and in yo face" with the truth.  Even he wasn't always gentle and soft spoken with others.

  Just as we tend to learn most by and through challenging and testing circumstances, so do we sometimes learn better by and through challenging helper types or rather their temporary approach or modus operandi. 

  It's the intent that matters, and few there are that can fully accurately read the intent of others.

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The average nonphysical, even the average "helper" or guide type isn't necessarily the best source to ask about this.  You have to go "high", really high. Transitioning from physical to nonphysical doesn't bring instant and full 'enlightenment' and awareness by any means. 

  I prefer to get my info from the most expanded, aware, PUL attuned, and creative sources there are for various holistically helpful and practical reasons.  I especially like asking the "Planning Intelligence" so called, since "he" is more clear and aware on issues in our "area of consciousness" than any other since he had a hand in co-creating this A.O.C.

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  Thanks for the clarification.  I figured you meant something like that, though wasn't sure if you were referencing to our particular local system or not.  Every "physical" seeming Solar System that has life, has it's own accompanying "nonphysical" counterpart, so forth, and so on.

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  We live and exist in a rather big area of consciousness (using your definition), and if you can imagine it, it probably can and does exist in some form or manner akin.  Freewill is a bit of a 'female dog' in that sense.

There is at least one E.T. group that i know of, that we might as well call "demons", because they are much more dangerous and strong than your typical ex serial murderer human types who transition to the nonphysical and hold onto their ways and try to influence and affect still inphysical humans or the stuck.  These non human consciousnesses, unlike the ex human, still exist in-physical, have a very high intelligence, high psychic sensitivity, and can manipulate the "M Band field" much more adeptly than almost all humans and former human nonphysicals except for the more rare He/She and near He/She types. 

  You don't have to have a direct run in with one of these to know they exist.  I know through various guidance messages. 

   In any case, we're shielded from direct contact with these for the most part, so it's not really a concern at this time except for their more insidious indirect influencing, planning, and manipulation.  Frankly speaking, i'm looking forward to when we can completely kick them out of our local system (in a few hundred years) because at this point, they are unreachable and very hard to "rehabilitate".  They are the kind of middle school bullies that really do need a time out from the elementary recess they don't belong in to begin with.

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  Agreed, the typical fears and problems of most humans do have to do with issues like the above, which are more or less self created.    I can understand why people like you and Bruce, who have had experiences with these, might be tempted to extrapolate that this is all there is, but that is a very limiting assumption.

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  Well unfortunately, the old cliche is so true so often, when the student is ready, the teacher appears.  When it comes to becoming aware of these issues, much of it relates to how much fear we have regenerated/transformed within our own psyche.  Not to unsurprisingly, often the more fear, the less apt the more expanded levels of guidance are going to be trying to help make a person aware of such potentially fear provoking issues. 

  When it comes to this particular issue, a human usually has to regenerate A LOT of fear before becoming more directly aware of these issues.  (Monroe was a bit of an exception in this, he became a bit aware of this issue when he still had a lot of fear to regenerate). 

  Yet, we are coming to the times wherein they are more active about trying to get certain, critical information out there about these and other issues, and before convenient mass communication shuts down.  So there is a balance there they and we have to find.  Part of the problem is that there is just not enough credible and balanced humans aware enough of these issues to get the information through--which is why i tried to nudge Bruce in the same manner as i just tried to nudge you-- to try and communicate with the most expanded guidance you can and get the info from these.

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  Sounds like an interesting and cool experience.

  Hi Josie,

  Thank you for the clarification.  Yes, to be honest the thought and feeling did cross my mind that you may be referencing to this particular thread, and i offered my earlier clarification in case you were.  I wasn't completely sure one way or the other though.

  Either way, even if you had been referencing to this thread, i would not have been offended or upset--it's just that i have the repeat experience of being misunderstood by others and sometimes desire to be better understood.  It's my still kickin human side.  I need to grow up fully.

 
p.s., i found your account quite interesting and i imagine that it took some courage just to even talk about it openly and in public and so i thank you for that as well.   Too often we try to shove and keep the shadow under the rug, because it makes us feel uncomfortable to deal with it openly and in the light of day.  It takes definite courage to go against this flow or norm.

Jdee, just what is it that you can't believe?  Surely the fact that your granddad wasn't religious wouldn't keep him from the afterlife, whether you call it heaven or not.  The qualities you describe seem much more worthwhile than being conventionally religious, to the extent one even believes there is any qualification required for the afterlife (which I don't).  Or is your concern that you won't qualify?