MJ,
I agree with Doc's thoughts on this. Good and bad to me are the relative position to Pure Unconditional Love (or whatever you call the prime moving substance of the universe). One's position relative to this "ideal" and how one characterizes it is what we refer to as morality and its what we judge ourselves on, in my very humble opinion. However, there is an absolute purity of PUL, and that is what we (or I) think of when I say God. Certainly, do as you wish, and call it what you will, but all things are anchored in their relation to God.

heisenberg69 wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 4:48am:


Hi,

I guess the truth is I don't want to be "normal" if that's normality. However, I do want to be able to go to work, do my job and earn a living without constant harassment and animosity from my co-workers and employers. I want to have friends and for my children to have friends without constantly being rejected and having to pick up the pieces because of my unwillingness to be "normal." I want to lead by example and show my children that it's okay to be different as long as we know, in our hearts, that we are doing the "right" thing versus the popular thing. I want to know that after I die, my children have learned to stand by their convictions and know the right thing to do regardless of the pressure from their peers. I want them to see, in me, that standing up for what's right does not always end in rejection and/or termination. At this point, I certainly can't teach them that because I haven't mastered it. I'm a work in progress, though, so I haven't given up trying.

Thanks again,
mj

PauliEffectt wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:54am:


Hi PauliEffectt,

I think I understand the concept better now. In essence, our human form allows us to rationalize and justify behaviors moreso than in the afterlife. It sounds like that doesn't always happen, for some, but has the potential of transcending certain internal blocks. Am I understanding that correctly?

Thanks again,
mj

Volu wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 1:16pm:


Hi Volu,

Thanks for your response. I am probably "too light" and clueless on how to change that, thus far. I do not strike back at the family member because it's not my nature. There is nothing to be gained by trying to defend myself and the potential for exacerbating the situation makes the "price" way too high. I've already been ostracized by the church and our ENTIRE family (they all sided with the abusive family member) so the price has already been too high in my lifetime. I don't miss the church so much, but I certainly miss having any family interaction. I never went to my college graduation, had a wedding or had any family there when I gave birth. I cherish the family I have now (and appreciate them more-so because I know how it is on the other side) but it doesn't replace the void of not having that other part. All in all, I know it's my journey this time around and I'm trying my best to learn from it.

As far as them not interacting anymore...that's true, but only because I moved across the country last year and did not utilize any options that would help them find me (ie. forwarding orders, giving former neighbors my new contact info, updating school records, etc.). It may seem paranoid and/or drastic, but my separating from them in the past has caused them to "raise the ante" to the point of interfering with my school scholarships and employment. After picking up the pieces so many times and them trying to play the same games with my children - I drew the line in the sand. Fortunately, my children were very, very young when it happened so they don't have any conscious memory of my being attacked that day. That was the final time I made any effort to "extend the olive branch."

I know there will be a point where they will find me and I will have to address it, but, for now, I am enjoying hearing the phone ring and knowing it's not a verbal assault or hearing the doorbell and knowing there is nobody there ready to physically harm me. Maybe, I will find a workable solution before I have to face that again. All in all, though, the most important thing is keeping my children safe and helping them reach a point of self-respect and self-esteem before they have to know the truth about that part of the family. At least I know they should be able to respond from a place of love and tolerance rather than fear and guilt (as I did all those years ago). All I can do is work on myself and I make that effort everyday.

Thanks again,
mj

Bardo wrote on Jan 13^th, 2012 at 2:27pm:


Hi Bardo,

Thanks for sharing this. It really helps to know that someone understands why this is so important and how it impacts our future generations. Fortunately, this time around, I have more control over the exposure and counter-attacks. I'm hoping that will be the correct formula to impart the best lessons on life and love.

All the best,
mj

I think a belief in the afterlife is programmed into all humans...

......it is part of our thought process.....

We see ourselves as more than our body. We see this daily as we go about our routine keeping our mind satisfied with accomplishments and activities.

However.....

This does not mean it is a fact that we are more than our body!

In reality, it is just as likely that our intelligence is simply creating a fantasy of greater meaning, purpose, and existence.

I just want to add that while there is evidence that the afterlife exists, none of the evidence meets my requirements for acceptance of proof of the afterlife......

.....It has nothing to do with failure to research the afterlife.

I have done more research than you may think based on my conclusions. Ultimately, I conclude that the evidence for the afterlife is inconclusive, proving nothing. Therefore, logically I can only make the following factual statement:

"The afterlife may or may not exist."

The evidence for NDE, OBE, Ghosts, Mediums, etc. is often hokey, untrustworthy, and not well documented.

You give me a case of extreme scientific testing that I can add to the evidence, completely controlled environments, several, varied cameras, showing all areas of the room, at least 7 or more cameras including infrared and others, and I will be the first one to say WOW! This is not just evidence... this is proof!

When this type of extreme controlled testing is brought up, the reaction is always the same.

"It cannot be done..... If done.... the tests would always fail because afterlife occurrences can't happen under those conditions."

....Well isn't that awfully convenient for pro afterlife belief systems? Set the limitations so that you can justify your belief system. I see this all the time in organized religions.

Focus27 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2012 at 4:44am:


Hi Focus27,

First, let me clarify, I NEVER make judgments about what other people think, feel or believe. So, I did not and do not have any foregone conclusions about what research you may or may not have done on the afterlife. Your truth is yours regardless of how/why you reached it. I accept that.

Secondly, some of us recently had this discussion in another thread. I agree that research is not as unbiased and "open to finding" results as it's made out to be. If for no other reason that most medical doctors will not even consider the idea their patient is sane when presented with symptoms/reactions that are not the "known" side-effects of a medication or procedure. Of course, there are some decent doctors out there but, in my experience and knowledge, they are usually bullied and pushed out of business by others who don't appreciate their so-called "forward thinking." Think about how many people are permanently injured or have died simply because they were told to see a psychiatrist or take psychotropic drugs because they were not having a "typical" reaction. And, if evidence can be so easily dismissed countless times in examining rooms, it is not hard for me to believe that it's even more likely when there are millions of dollars in research funding on the line (read that as "we need to achieve a certain outcome.")

Notwithstanding the obvious encumbrances in research models, I believe the reason there is no concrete proof for the afterlife is simply that it's too much of a threat to dogma-based conditioning and control. It would not be possible to guilt-trip people if everyone knew, without any doubt, that they are the masters of their own fate and have access to any/all spiritual teachings in every realm. How many people would be put out of work by such a thing?  As they say...follow the money to get the answer. There are billions upon billions of dollars pumped into keeping religion based teachings (and fighting) alive. Anything and everything that poses even a small annoyance to their regime is going to eradicated...and quickly.

There is a quote I use in my private emails that I really like. It's "To those who believe, no proof is necessary; to those who don't, no proof is possible." (attributed to Stuart Chase).

Kind regards,
mj