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Reply #30 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 12:48pm
 
If you want a money back guarantee when a medium's reading is not accurate, you are accepting the possibility that they are in fact accurate occasionally. That is progress! There is no amount of money that can either make someone a real medium or not. Their motivation may be only to make money, and yet they are legitimate mediums. The only criteria for legitamacy, IMHO, is the verification of their readings. I don't give a rat's a** how they get around.
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Reply #31 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 1:40pm
 
Bardo wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 12:48pm:
If you want a money back guarantee when a medium's reading is not accurate, you are accepting the possibility that they are in fact accurate occasionally. That is progress! There is no amount of money that can either make someone a real medium or not. Their motivation may be only to make money, and yet they are legitimate mediums. The only criteria for legitamacy, IMHO, is the verification of their readings. I don't give a rat's a** how they get around.



   The above seems true enough.  Interestingly though, my experience with getting readings etc. is that in my case, it was often the sensitives who charged least which ended up being the most accurate. 

  This might have to do with PUL in a round about way.  There is nothing in this Universe that expands perception as much as attuning and opening up to that flow and Consciousness. 

  Often what happens with people who start to conistently attune themselves to PUL to greater and greater degrees is that they become less and less materialistic in nature, the less attached to and the less they look for happiness and pleasure in the things and roles of the World.   

   I suspect that, on average, those sensitives mostly just doing it for money or ego props and who are doing so from primarily selfish and materialistic motivations, will on average tend to be less accurate and helpful than those sensitives less attached to the money or status part...

  Why, difference of PUL attunement.  The above is partially why Cayce's work was so VAST and why it  had and has so many verifications in or connected to it.  He prayed to be of service to others irregardless of self.  He had high, spiritual or "PUL" oriented ideals which he tried to live by. It boosted his accuracy and helpfulness. 

  (Not to say he never got caught up in other kinds of money schemes or general attachment.  He did, like with the Oil readings and adventures in Texas, and in those cases his gifts and life failed him miserably, but even then it wasn't purely selfish--he really wanted funds to open up the low cost to others, holistic health hospital he thought he needed to). 
 
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Reply #32 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 3:14pm
 
Justin,
I totally agree with you. My position was somewhat cynical, because I believe as you do that while results speak for themselves, and it is the verification that counts, results are generally achieved by those most closely attuned with and to PUL. And those folks are less likely to asking for money beyond a subsistance level.
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Reply #33 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 3:41pm
 
"TMI charges thousands of dollars for people to come out and "learn" about the afterlife/binaural beats etc. Further, TMI claims to be a non profit organization, but, with so much money involved it is impossible to assume no one is making "some" money.... (and more likely a lot of money.)"

Non profit organisations are permitted to make some money but not loads of money. If they did make loads then they would have the taxman on their case in no time and they would be in serious bother.

It's possible that they could be being dishonest about their earnings, as with any business, but due to the nature of what they do then I would imagine that they would have been checked up on at some point, if not a number of times.

All in all, it's quite reasonable for them and mediums to be able to make some profit, after all we all have bills to pay don't we?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonprofit_organization

Also,

How much do they have to pay out in overheads?

Staff, premises, electricity, heating etc.

Without this info you're just making assumptions and making assumptions is pretty much a pointless exercise.

Andy

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Reply #34 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 4:46pm
 
Focus27 wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 5:14am:
This is exactly why I have a hard time believing anything about the afterlife that is in a published book. If someone made money on it, surely that doesn't mean it is automatically bad... but.... you have no way of knowing.

There is a lot of money in the afterlife.


Just because someone made money on publishing a book doesn't mean its contents are invalid...and yes, you have no idea of the writer's motivations, but as you read try to get the feeling of what is being written...does it resonate within you or does it somehow seem to weigh you down?  Those have been my clues to validity and "missing the boat", respectively.  Anyone has the right to publish what they believe to be the truth...if it resonates with others they will make money with book sales, if it has the opposite effect, they get no sales and thus no financial reward for their efforts.  I described the specific effects I received from trying to read "A Course In Miracles" in a previous thread...really surprising, but very enlightening from an internal perspective.

As for the original topic, while I have no problem with mediums not charging for whatever reason they deem important to them, likewise, I have no problem paying a medium for spending time with me to answer my questions...but I am a lawyer and people pay me to help them answer questions, so maybe I'm a little biased.  Bottom line, if you seek something from another, regardless of their source, there is a value attached to it, and whether you agree to pay it and accept the service or material is purely a factor of how much you value it...if your value matches their value, you're set.  The issues you raise are seemingly based in dissatisfaction of their "product"...again, I would seek to find out how I "feel" about the medium before I pay them.
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Reply #35 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 5:46pm
 
Personally I think there is more to being a good medium than just psychic ability. Bereaved people are often in a highly vulnerable state and need to be handled sensitively. For the record Windbridge Certified Research Mediums (WCRMs) have an an intensive 8-step screening and training procedure:

Step 1: Written Questionnaire
Step 2: Personality/Psychological Tests
Step 3: Phone Interview (with an existing WCRM)
Step 4: Phone Interview (with a Windbridge Investigator)
Step 5: Two Blinded Phone Readings
Step 6: Mediumship Research Training
Step 7: Human Research Subjects Training
Step 8: Grief Training

I think some type of similar accreditation for fee charging mediums would help tighten up the industry.
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Reply #36 - Jan 12th, 2012 at 2:39am
 
I suppose its sort of related to this discussion that I have taught meditation for many years and every so often some airhead with an IQ of a rabbit tells me I should not be charging people for my service. These idiots seem to think a meditation teacher has no right to eat, have clothes, shoes, have a house, a motor car, pay bills, etc, and should be a down and out tramp. I used to politely listen to them but nowadays I tell them they are annoying me so go away and try not to be so stupid. I say it politely of course. 

By the way. One day mediums will disappear. By mediums I mean those who vaguely sense things, and use emotional energies as basis to vague mental impressions of lower astral scenes. People wont need mediums or be interested in them. That will be after technology can see in the same way as people with second physical sight can see. The camera was a copy of the eye, of the eye's ability to see three dimensionally. Technology will also eventually copy the eye's ability to see through other multidimensions, so then what technology sees will be shown to everyone. But first there could be enough people who can do second sight and confirm to one another and demonstrate it, to get science interested. Or more likely science might discover it by accident when it finds the angle that runs crosswise to normal light as we know light in 3d world, and finds the other angles of different light of other dimensions and learns to record the images from those dimensions. Of course a long way to go yet, but they are going step by step towards it. No one will be interested in mediums then because the truth will be there for the seeing for everyone. Through seeing it demonstrated people's minds will come to comprehend the other angles beyond 3d angles and they will be able to make their eyes focus follow their comprehension. And souls who have been mediums for many lives, who work emotionally and impressionally will then be left behind. Those who don't get over their practices of emotional impressionism will be seen as backward and irrelevant and will probably be given special treatment to help them catch up to the rest of humanity. They certainly wont be making money from it then.   
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Reply #37 - Jan 14th, 2012 at 2:23am
 
Focus27 wrote on Jan 5th, 2012 at 11:57pm:
I wondered what everyone's thoughts are on mediums charging for the readings?


Hi,

Personally, I wished everything worked that way. Doctors couldn't get paid unless the patient gets better. Teachers don't get paid unless students become productive members of society. Politicians don't get paid unless the economy, healthcare, school systems and laws are proven to be helpful to the majority. And, on and on.

Alas, the question becomes "Who pays for these service providers to exist while they are "making things right" in the world? Further, who decides the standard of living for these people during this "fix it" period?

The point I'm trying to make is that it seems unfair to use a different standard for a service provider based on the "accuracy" or "testability" of the information they provide. I injured my knee in the Fall of 2010 while moving across the country. I finally went for surgery about a year ago (4 months after the injury). I had to pay about $10K out-of-pocket because of how the insurance deductible rolled over at the beginning of the year. Guess what? I have been using a walker for most of this past year. Trust me. If I could get back that cash for a "poor job done" I would be the first in line to push my walker to get there. Roll Eyes The reality is things don't work that way.

Interestingly, though, modern medicine as we know it, is a relatively *new* concept. About a hundred years ago, soldiers were becoming infected by secondary contact with tools used on other wounded soldiers, many mothers were dying in childbirth and the average life expectancy for an infant was not that high. Thus, it seems odd (to me, at least) that most people wouldn't bat an eye to see a doctor although their overall success rate isn't that high, but balk about seeing a "reader" although it's been around much, much longer and generally has a higher success rate. Please don't misunderstand me. I know there are some good doctors out there and I know there are some shady readers out there. The bottom line is we make judgments of certain occupations based on our society's overall view of said profession. We hear about the failures of Sylvia Browne and Miss Cleo being a fraud and John Edward reading body language, but we almost never hear of any medical mistakes unless the error is so outrageously disasterous that it makes for "good news" (ie. amputating the wrong leg).

The bottom line is you make the choices that are best for you regardless of what others think about it. When the time comes, you will find the reader you were meant to find to help you grow in awareness about what is unseen. Maybe, NOW is not the right time, but that does not mean it will never come. There is a popular quote (although I don't recall who said it) along the lines "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."  Wink

All the best,
mj
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Reply #38 - Jan 28th, 2012 at 6:12pm
 
I felt the need to add to this... on popular medium sites it is not uncommon for it to cost $7.95 per minute for the top rated mediums. This includes a minimum purchase time of $30.00 which equals less than 5 minutes in many cases.

I need to speak with a medium... and a GOOD one.....

but at that cost?????


WOW!!!!
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Reply #39 - Jan 28th, 2012 at 8:21pm
 
Focus27 wrote on Jan 28th, 2012 at 6:12pm:
I felt the need to add to this... on popular medium sites it is not uncommon for it to cost $7.95 per minute for the top rated mediums. This includes a minimum purchase time of $30.00 which equals less than 5 minutes in many cases.

I need to speak with a medium... and a GOOD one.....

but at that cost?????

WOW!!!!


Hi Focus27,

Several years ago I was working from home and wanted to supplement my income. I saw an advertisement for another work from home position and sent in a request for information. I received back a contract to be an online psychic. I inquired about that since there was nothing in the original advertisement that said ANYTHING about being an online psychic. I was told that I did not actually have to have any skills as a psychic and I just had to be a "good listener." I withdrew my request and asked for my name to be removed from their database because I did not believe it was ethical to advertise myself as a psychic that way. The experience caused me to wonder how many people have been downsized or simply looking for extra income who would follow through on something like that. This is not an unknown name in that business and it's shocking to me they haven't been sued and closed down after all this time.

I'm not suggesting that all online psychics are frauds, but I would be very hesitant to seek out someone with that skill who works through one of those types of companies. As with good doctors, good lawyers and others that provide a specific skill set...I believe the best ones don't have to seek out customers. Their reputations precede them and they can be found through other means.

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Reply #40 - Jan 29th, 2012 at 6:32am
 
mjd,
"The experience caused me to wonder how many people have been downsized or simply looking for extra income who would follow through on something like that. This is not an unknown name in that business and it's shocking to me they haven't been sued and closed down after all this time."

Shocking, meaning you a gasp now and then along with a slight raise of the eyebrow? Smiley The honest way for the fishy business to make itself lose the stink would be to call the company All Ears and market themselves as listeners. Suing them is also a quick buck, similar to being a good listener for the confused and wondering while shaking their money tree.  Some of the fishy businesses will continue to be fishy as long as there are people willing to support the fishiness, as workers and customers, the foundation of the pyramid scheme. You didn't follow through but there were others in line, and callers hoping for a clarification, or it would be closed down.

A company is said to provide a service which it does not, and at the same time takes the money the customer gives to them. The dark feeds on the light. Had they provided the service the balance wouldn't be tilted as it had gone both ways.
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Reply #41 - Jan 29th, 2012 at 1:59pm
 
The real kicker here is the most accurate medium I have tested came from PsychicSource.com. This medium produced 1 correct hit.

The medium recommended by a well trusted friend that gave an in person reading had a zero % hit ratio but was free.

Another medium cost me 125.00 for an in person reading, it was about an hour drive and also had a zero % hit ratio.

I have no problem paying for a reading. Further, I have also read some amazing hit ratio's reported from mediums...

But they all seem to have a terrible hit ratio with me. My complaint is that if I spend good money on something, I expect results.

If a doctor performed bad surgery, I would take them to court over it.....

Am I saying that all money should be refunded every time? No..... But I would suggest that mediums that fail to show any hits and have a very disappointed sitter at least entertain the concept of a refund.
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Reply #42 - Jan 29th, 2012 at 4:01pm
 
Volu wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 6:32am:
mjd,
"The experience caused me to wonder how many people have been downsized or simply looking for extra income who would follow through on something like that. This is not an unknown name in that business and it's shocking to me they haven't been sued and closed down after all this time."

Shocking, meaning you a gasp now and then along with a slight raise of the eyebrow? Smiley The honest way for the fishy business to make itself lose the stink would be to call the company All Ears and market themselves as listeners. Suing them is also a quick buck, similar to being a good listener for the confused and wondering while shaking their money tree.  Some of the fishy businesses will continue to be fishy as long as there are people willing to support the fishiness, as workers and customers, the foundation of the pyramid scheme. You didn't follow through but there were others in line, and callers hoping for a clarification, or it would be closed down.

A company is said to provide a service which it does not, and at the same time takes the money the customer gives to them. The dark feeds on the light. Had they provided the service the balance wouldn't be tilted as it had gone both ways.


Hi Volu,

I've been inside hundreds of companies over the years (as an employee, temp, manager, dm and consultant) and I have yet to find ONE company that is above board - regardless of their product or service to the public. It's actually heart-breaking to me because I honestly (albeit naively) believed there was a good company out there. I'm not saying there isn't. I haven't worked for any in any capacity.

Yet, people believe what they want to believe and marketing companies make tons of money to spin the public image of companies. I guess it's just easier that way. I'm not really sure.

Kind regards,
mj
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