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Reply #15 - Jan 8th, 2012 at 11:22pm
 
eric wrote on Jan 8th, 2012 at 9:09pm:
... I understand paying the bills, but I've also given ~20 readings a day while having a part-time job and being a stay at home dad, and i'm not exactly a speedy reader.

If you provide/d 20 true and helpful readings per day, why haven't you charged and accepted payment for your service?
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Reply #16 - Jan 9th, 2012 at 4:38am
 
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'charging money for something that can't even be proven to exist'

I disagree - some mediums such as  Gordon Smith are consistently evidential (called 'The Beckham of Mediums' by Professor Archie Roy after tests at Glasgow University). If you have proven ability you should consider charging something for your services and helping more people (you could of course continue to provide some free services for the less well off).
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Reply #17 - Jan 9th, 2012 at 12:45pm
 
crossbow wrote on Jan 8th, 2012 at 11:22pm:
eric wrote on Jan 8th, 2012 at 9:09pm:
... I understand paying the bills, but I've also given ~20 readings a day while having a part-time job and being a stay at home dad, and i'm not exactly a speedy reader.

If you provide/d 20 true and helpful readings per day, why haven't you charged and accepted payment for your service?

For one thing I'm not giving 20 readings a day anymore, now it's more like 2 a day. 

I feel that my intution is a gift.  Not because I was born with it, but because it was given to me-- by Moen and by a psychic who went out of her way to mentor me.  I received it as a gift, I give it as a gift. 

I've had plenty of people be "stunned" by the accuracy of my readings, including a professed skeptic.  Funny thing is, half the time i'm just as stunned by my accuracy.  The feeling of being "right," the feeling of helping another, that is my payment.

Sure, I could use some money.  I live at poverty level with three kids, one of whom is autistic, and I live in an impoverished area where jobs are typically minimum wage.  Do I care?  Not really.  The more I explore the afterlife, the less interested I am in being a part of earthly society.  I have a roof over my head, food on my table, and a family I love.  Those green pieces of paper can find a home in someone else's wallet.

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Reply #18 - Jan 9th, 2012 at 12:48pm
 
heisenberg69 wrote on Jan 9th, 2012 at 4:38am:
Eric-

'charging money for something that can't even be proven to exist'

I disagree - some mediums such as  Gordon Smith are consistently evidential (called 'The Beckham of Mediums' by Professor Archie Roy after tests at Glasgow University). If you have proven ability you should consider charging something for your services and helping more people (you could of course continue to provide some free services for the less well off).

If Smith has proven ability then I wouldn't have a problem paying money to receive a reading from him.  But with so many "fortune tellers" and fakes out there, I usually think twice about who I pay for a reading.

Smith has proven ability, he charges for readings, and that's fine. 

I, personally, have moral objections to charging money for readings, so I don't do it.  I'm not saying Smith is a bad person, charging money just isn't for me.
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Reply #19 - Jan 9th, 2012 at 1:23pm
 
   I'm almost fully with you Eric on these issues, though would perhaps point out some more subtle nuances within service, giving, etc. 

  A couple of times in my brief, past "reading" history, i had the experience of people insisting that i take some form of payment for the service i provided for them. 

  It seemed important to them that i did so.  Sometimes part of giving and being of service IS allowing self to receive in the manner that others wish to share /give/compensate, even if self doesn't want or think it necessary.  Like you, i (almost always) view money as just green pieces of paper only necessary to the point of providing for the basics or necessities of shelter or food (which, if one lives right enough might eventually become non concerns for oneself as well).

   I've also learned, stubborn and as slow as i sometimes am, that greater amounts of money, can lead to greater degree of holistic service to others (but not something always necessary).  For example, one could set up a helpful organization of service of some kind, if one had the personal funds to do so and preferably along the lines of exampling how to fish rather than just handing out fish day in and day out. 

   Even Yeshua (Jesus) while he himself never earned, cared about or sought to earn money during his ministry, did pool together the monetary and other material resources of his disciples and followers with the express purpose of helping those in material need.  Course, the real and deeper need was their limiting belief systems, lack of self and other love, etc...

  but the point is that holistic service is ever the most effective speaking in a broad and general sense. 

  Money and accumulating same can help with that.  I doubt Monroe would have been able to have done what he did with the institute if he didn't have some personal wealth and cushion previously saved up.  Not that i think Monroe was 100% altruistic in all his endeavors--he was very much a business man, even to some extent in his latter years it appears to me.

  I've been told many times in various ways that "healing" is going to be a big part of my path in the future, which i will facilitate for free unless others feel the need to materially give back in some way. 

  From what i gather, the healing of material ills will be less about the healing of ills and imbalances, but rather a way to strongly catch people's attention so that they will consider my deeper messages about PUL, going within, etc.   A kind of a material "hook" in a sense, and if a person or group of people happen to get too attached to the messenger and not enough to the message, then i will just simply exit stage left and move onto another place and group--probably will do this anyways for my own sanity  Grin.

   What i'm also saying is sometimes you have to first reach people where they currently are, and for many in this world, they are rather stuck in and attached to the material.  Feeding and clothing the hungry, facilitating the healing of physical imbalances, and helping with other material challenges can be a way of getting an opening into the mind and more importantly the heart of others more stuck in the world to better allow the real work to take place, which is the message and exampling of PUL. 

   It's taken me a LONNNNNG time to get all that together mentally, and will take me longer yet to fully and truly live it. 

 You seem to have the necessary intentions, potential for awareness, and ideals to get yourself there.  That brings a smile to my face.  Thank you so much for coming into this World, may you develop to your highest/most expanded potential and as soon as you can or as would best for the Whole.   

 
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Reply #20 - Jan 9th, 2012 at 3:47pm
 
eric wrote on Jan 9th, 2012 at 12:48pm:
I, personally, have moral objections to charging money for readings, so I don't do it.  I'm not saying Smith is a bad person, charging money just isn't for me. 


Hi Eric,

First of all, respect for doing what you do without charging for it. There's not many people like you around  Wink.

Just a thought, why not charge for readings and then give the money to a charity or two?

There's plenty of children who need it either in childrens homes or awaiting life saving operations.

I'm not trying to preach or anything, it's just a thought I had.

Andy
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Reply #21 - Jan 9th, 2012 at 4:54pm
 
If you want to charge nothing for what you do, then that's up to you. Period. If you find ways to live without money, good riddance. If you're poor and got the means/skills, but have no respect for your self to get paid, sob on, in space preferably, cos no one but you - who can change the situation - will hear the faux cries of victimhood.

There's nothing wrong about charging, or bartering. I have a kilo of corn, you've got a dozen apples. I want some apples, you want some oranges, nope, got none so bring over all the apples servant, and kneel to your king. My shoes need some tending while you're at it. - That didn't rhyme.

My best friends are also the people where mutual comes along the most natural way. When you constantly give some quickly get used to snapping their fingers. For my part, if you want to see some dancing, at least put on a funky tune, and the other way around. Feeding my cat buddy in the morning, I don't expect him to have dinner ready when I'm back from work though.

If you notice various people in your life make demands and expect you to cater for them, there might be an issue there which is looping (you're perhaps both in a loop) until you break it.
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Reply #22 - Jan 9th, 2012 at 6:48pm
 
Er... listen, everyone, I'm not playing victim over here.  As I said, I am not really interested in the whole "society" thing.  My ideal existence would be a cabin in the wilderness, with no government and plenty of time to devote to enjoying both the physical and the nonphysical.  A state of abject poverty to some, but the highest of riches for me.

I would advise "psychics" to find other means of payment, like writing a book or setting up a donation fund. 

You could charge money for readings if you want, that's fine.  I mean, I would expect someone claiming to be in contact with the other side to be less interested in money, but we all have to pay the bills.  Of course many of these "psychics" fly around in private jets, but hey, who am I to judge?

I recently talked to a woman who was told by a, eh, "fortune teller" that she had a curse, and it would cost $300 to remove it.  I had to explain that curses don't exist.
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Reply #23 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 12:51am
 
Look, people go to mediums for afterlife confirmation because the worry involved with death causes the people to be in an unstable and unhappy state of mind.

Should a skilled medium be able to make money on this?

Sure. No problem.

Should a medium that completely fails to achieve any result whatsoever be charging money for they're services?

No, it would be considered at the very least a common courtesy to return the money for being unable to help a person in need.
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Reply #24 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 2:01am
 
"No, it would be considered at the very least a common courtesy to return the money for being unable to help a person in need. "

but we don't ask docs, vets, or dentists to return the money when they flop....
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Reply #25 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 4:44am
 
Your right... we don't ask doctors dentists etc. for our money back....

We just take them to court and often win large sums of money.


.... LoL... just saying... not a good comparison.
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Reply #26 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 5:02am
 
Lucy-

A good point.I suppose this opens up a whole new can of worms whether 'spiritual' matters are to be treated fundamentally differently to the everyday world. But as I mentioned before even churches pass round the collection plate and launch 'save the bell tower' appeals. I guess to me the important thing is the medium's intent i.e. is the action performed primarily in order to get the money or is the money a by product of performing a useful service ? Driving around in a Rolls Royce and owning a private jet might suggest the former while just 'paying the bills' suggests the latter.That said the important thing is that any charging medium is open and honest in their financial dealings.

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Reply #27 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 5:14am
 
This is exactly why I have a hard time believing anything about the afterlife that is in a published book.

If someone made money on it, surely that doesn't mean it is automatically bad... but.... you have no way of knowing.

There is a lot of money in the afterlife.

TMI charges thousands of dollars for people to come out and "learn" about the afterlife/binaural beats etc. Further, TMI claims to be a non profit organization, but, with so much money involved it is impossible to assume no one is making "some" money.... (and more likely a lot of money.)
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Reply #28 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 9:10am
 
Focus27 wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 5:14am:
TMI charges thousands of dollars for people to come out and "learn" about the afterlife/binaural beats etc. Further, TMI claims to be a non profit organization, but, with so much money involved it is impossible to assume no one is making "some" money.... (and more likely a lot of money.)[/b]
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This has been something that has crossed my mind.  On one hand, if what TMI "teaches" is true, it is the most important discovery in the history of the human race and should be readily available to the general public at no monetary cost.  On the other hand, TMI is an institute.  They have bills and staff to pay.

In my opinion, TMI has done a good job coming up with a price that meets all of the institute's needs, but does not put the program out of financial reach for most people. 

As for a lot of money being in the afterlife, Moen went broke because he believed in what he was doing.  The only reason Monroe had the money to found the institute and do the work that he did is because he was a successful radio executive at the start. 

For every new age "guru" flying in a private jet and collecting money from his sheep, there is someone who believes in what he is doing so much that he isn't interested in money.
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Reply #29 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 5:06am
 
Focus27-

'TMI charges thousands of dollars for people to come out and "learn" about the afterlife/binaural beats etc. Further, TMI claims to be a non profit organization, but, with so much money involved it is impossible to assume no one is making "some" money.... (and more likely a lot of money.) '

I think you need to be aware that when you make this kind of vague statement that a lot of visitors read this board and may go away with the idea that TMI is somehow financially irregular. Unless you have specific evidence that this is the case (in which case you not relying on innuendo) please refrain from this indiscriminate 'tarring'.
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