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Jan 5th, 2012 at 11:57pm
 
I have spoken with several spiritual mediums and I wondered what everyone's thoughts are on mediums charging for the readings? I really don't have a problem with someone charging money for they're time and all that... but.... the real question is...

What do you do if you sat with a medium and they were unable to produce any hits whatsoever and started asking you to give them information to help them out and you refuse...(since mediums claim not to need information from the sitter.)

The bottom line: If the medium fails, can you ask for your money back? Obviously it seems ridiculously rude, but I had one medium that totally flopped and had major errors, meaningless names, genders, etc.

Keep in mind, most mediums charge over $100.00 for a visit and many charge $300.00 or more. (Joseph Tittel comes to mind.)

Sylvia Browne has had more misses than a blind man. If you google her validity you will get people that spent near thousands on completely bogus readings!
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Reply #1 - Jan 6th, 2012 at 2:54am
 
  Perhaps a combination of grounded, practical, left brain "common sense" with intuitive listening/feeling is in order when thinking about using the services of a sensitive. 

    That some mediums charge, let alone that some will pay, hundreds and hundreds of dollars (or their nation's equivalent) for just one session, is mind boggling to me, but then again some have plenty of money to "play with" and maybe their hundreds and hundreds of dollars or what not spent, is equivalent to just my 50 or 100 dollars.

  Personally, i've haven't ever felt comfortable charging money for any kind of spiritual or psychic services, which is why when i use to do astrology charts, and people asked for me to do one for them, i wouldn't charge anything unless they insisted i take some kind of payment. 

    But that's just me, and it was a side thing i did and i wasn't trying to "earn a living" that way like some sensitives try. 

   I haven't requested a lot of readings myself, but have had a few here and there, and the most i ever paid was about a hundred for an hours worth of time, which was the last.  It was funny because towards the end, she said, but you know most of all this already and didn't really need me.  Mostly true, but sometimes it's nice to have some outside perspective and input to help confirm certain information, especially if the information is difficult to handle in some way.  I still sometimes doubt the info i receive, especially about self. 

I agree with you about Sylvia Brown--more often than not, she has been very off in a lot of areas and subjects, and yet, occasionally she has gotten something right on BUT we're all consciously psychic to some degree or other and we all occasionally get things correct via those means--doesn't mean we need to charge an arm and a leg for services, belt out 1 or 2 books every year, and try to become a spiritual authority of some kind.

  Obviously in most cases, you will not get your money back for an off reading  and i don't think i've ever seen any psychic advertise money back guarantee.  Let's face it, even with the real deal, some people would try to take advantage of that! 

    Edgar Cayce use to give back money to people who were not satisfied with his services, but he was an unusual one in many respects and was taken advantage of on plenty of occasion and in various ways (even by his own father).  His answer to even his exasperated and much more "practical" wife (who spent their whole marriage being sick and tired of being poor), "The rain falls on the just and the unjust alike".   He was a man who was trying, albeit clumsily most times, to follow in the footsteps of Yeshua (Jesus) whom he considered his beloved Teacher.   

   So, with psychic services, it's always "buyer beware", that's why you should go by word of mouth recommendations from people you respect or use your own intuitive inner guidance when it comes to picking out a sensitive. 

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Reply #2 - Jan 6th, 2012 at 4:32am
 
The thing that draws people in are the medium readings such as the ones Gary Schwartz listed in his book. He obviously lists the best readings and it's literally solid hit after hit, after hit.

For many people, even highly skeptical people like myself, a medium reading such as this with solid hit after solid hit, would be enough proof that the afterlife does in fact exist.

The problem is most mediums do in fact charge a minimum of $50.00 for a reading. Most of the higher priced mediums are $100.00 to $300.00 and the only ones that charge more than that are the famous ones and they easily enter $900+++ thousands.

Another problem is that all of the mediums I have tested have been failures. They claim to be clairvoyant and clairaudient so they can "hear" and "see" things....

For some reason the three mediums I have tested so far have been complete failures. The only medium that was closest out of the three was the medium that chose not to give any information whatsoever. Simply said they couldn't get anything!

I can tell you for a FACT, if I could get a medium reading like the ones I read, with solid hits, I would become an afterlife believer, shouting it from the rooftops.

But, nothing less than this will suffice and I cannot seem to find a medium that is able to do what they claim.


Further, they always... always claim that the medium is not able to help those that are mentally unstable but LET'S BE SERIOUS HERE.....

MANY people contacting mediums for AFTERLIFE CONFIRMATION have lost a loved one(s) and they are a little mentally unstable. They aren't seeking mental help per se' as much as that afterlife confirmation that will calm the mind by providing an answer to a worrisome question.
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Reply #3 - Jan 6th, 2012 at 6:41am
 
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I think its ok for mediums to charge for their services as they have to pay the rent,eat etc. like everyone else but I think its a red flag if they do it for the money. I suggest you contact someone who has been recommended by someone you trust - anyone can claim mediumship abilities ! You then approach them with as much open-minded skepticism as you can muster but reveal as little about yourself as possible to preclude 'cold-reading'.Obviously the medium should be unknown to you.Preferably 'hits' should be information known only to you or maybe things you did'nt know but check later to be correct such as Aunt Gladys loved white wine spritzer. Finally the tone of the meeting should be one of love.

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Reply #4 - Jan 6th, 2012 at 10:08am
 
I've tried exactly that. The one medium was recommended to me by a new age healer I am close friends with. That specific medium was the one that chose to say they weren't getting anything at all.

Does this condemn all mediums?

No.

But three strikes so far are not good tests results. I did not have to pay for that medium, but most mediums do cost money, and further testing is needed. After an undecided number of failed mediums I must conclude the non-legitimacy of mediums, and in relation a high chance of unlikely-hood for the afterlife existing.

I will attempt to amp up the tests by having my wife be the sitter while I make sure she gives nothing away, but I expect no better results.
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Reply #5 - Jan 6th, 2012 at 2:47pm
 
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in the same way that skeptical researchers never seem to get positve psi results due to the so-called experimenter effect ( I previously gave the Wiseman/Schlitz staring experiment example ) have you considered the possibilty that your negative expectation influences your success or lack of it ? Maybe a proxy sitter will work better for you (especially if your wife is open to the experience) and would have the added benefit that the medium would not be able to 'cold' read you.For this reason telephone read proxy sitters are the method of choice for controlled experimental medium sessions.Best of luck with your ongoing quest for verification.

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Reply #6 - Jan 6th, 2012 at 4:09pm
 
Interesting thread.  The first medium I encountered told me I was "married to Kathy with a K".  Absolutely true.  Her second comment was that I prayed silently every night in bed next to my wife (always counting my blessings and she would cross her chest)...absolutely true.  Then she said "you like plants and greenery" and I said that wasn't one of my big things, then she described seeing me looking out over a green lawn, shrubbery and dense trees...ok, that was a hit...when frustrated I would look out the rear window over my lawn and woods in the backyard and my frustration would fade away.  She was three for three then and since she has yet to be incorrect.

I had a very serious domestic issue which I asked her about and was, with trepidation and compassion on her part, treated to an amazingly graphic depiction of the events that took place which caused the disruption in my life.  I had difficulty believing such a situation could have played out in such a movie-like manner and decided the reader's imagination had gotten the best of her.  Within two months I found out the truth and she was right on everything except for specific timeframes...hers took place over a longer period.  She had first names, locations and relationships absolutely accurate.

Besides this medium I have had great luck with two others who are equally accurate, but with a different frame of reference, enabling me a better fleshed-out view of the same picture. 
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Reply #7 - Jan 6th, 2012 at 5:23pm
 
That's utterly untrue, I would be completely overjoyed by a successful hit ratio during testing of a medium. It would be a dream come true. I WANT them to succeed. They just always fail.
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Reply #8 - Jan 7th, 2012 at 2:48am
 
I can do that medium stuff. Like looking at a person and knowing who they are, their attitude and energy, what they are up to, their thoughts and underthoughts, what's going on in their life, their past lives, and other "medium" spider sense sorts of things. It works better with strangers than with people I am emotionally connected with, or rather it works differently. I don't have to see them either, I can do it from a distance, without ever having met them as a physical person or knowing anything about them - sort of like tuning into a particular frequency of some person somewhere in the world and watching them from a distance. I can do it with groups too, because they often function as a mass. Its not predictable though. It only works when I am in tune with my God and with Christ/Love, when my mind, attitude, intent, and heart and all reasonably well functioning. Although sometimes I can do it when I'm just "still" and "insulated" and observant. I can do it with animals too, and other life forms, near or distant, see into them and what and who they are, and what's going on for them. I don't think I could ever make money from it because 1. its unreliable and unpredictable, is absent far more than its present, and 2. I am sure people would not want to hear what I have to say about them, and 3. I doubt it would do them any good to hear it. Its usually just for my benefit, so I assume its so I can deal with people better. But then I usually don't deal with them very well anyway. Maybe I'd do better without it. Sometimes I use it to avoid people - like when I know they are trying to catch me out, or are up to no good. Sometimes I use it to catch them out, like when I see they are focusing in with bad intent on someone else I might say something that sort of distracts them, sometimes I think something that evaporates their intent or prepares the other person, and then sometimes I just watch and learn if it looks like one of those educational observances. Sometimes I use it to bring two conflicting parts of someone's self into contact - that's one of my little talents. Its seldom pleasant for them or me. I'd probably make money from it if I could because I need money - I'm currently unemployed - but I think it wouldn't work if I was trying to make money from it. But maybe some people can, I don't know, I have other things to worry about. Like getting a real job.         
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Reply #9 - Jan 7th, 2012 at 7:29am
 
Focus27-

'That's utterly untrue, I would be completely overjoyed by a successful hit ratio during testing of a medium. It would be a dream come true. I WANT them to succeed. They just always fail. '

'I will attempt to amp up the tests by having my wife be the sitter while I make sure she gives nothing away, but I expect no better results.'

It may be that what you expect is overriding what you want. Alternatively, if you are given what you say you want i.e. incontrovertible evidence of the afterlife; a very uncomfortable belief system crash may ensue. Maybe part of you is protecting yourself from this. If this were true you would'nt be on your own - Bruce Moen talks about this in length in his books and his words resonate with me on this one.
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Reply #10 - Jan 7th, 2012 at 5:42pm
 
My belief system is more along the lines of the Atheist Afterlife book. I disbelieve any such afterlife subsystems such as focus levels as simple fancies of the imagination. I believe that the energy that is a person is more than the psychical; there is a part of each living being that is undetectable by any of the 5 senses due to the fact that it is on a different plane of reality. Once the body dies your consciousness becomes one with this sense of reality and exists with all others on this plane.

Any and all assumptions and depictions of what exactly exists in this plane of existence other than the aforementioned consciousnesses of these beings is purely speculation and cannot be taken as factual data.
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Reply #11 - Jan 8th, 2012 at 9:45am
 
Focus27 wrote on Jan 5th, 2012 at 11:57pm:
I have spoken with several spiritual mediums and I wondered what everyone's thoughts are on mediums charging for the readings?

I've been giving readings using Moen's techniques for quite some time and never charged a penny.  Charging money for readings is simply unacceptable.
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Reply #12 - Jan 8th, 2012 at 9:52am
 
Focus27 wrote on Jan 7th, 2012 at 5:42pm:
My belief system is more along the lines of the Atheist Afterlife book. I disbelieve any such afterlife subsystems such as focus levels as simple fancies of the imagination.

At the risk of derailing the thread, have you ever actually reached these Focus levels?  They aren't esoteric concepts from an ancient holy text, they are areas of consciousness that can be accessed by anyone.  Experience for yourself, know for yourself.

I also think it should be noted that focus levels are arbritrary labels, put in place to help make sense of nonphysical reality from a physical perspective.  Words are merely placeholders.

You could just as easily have, say, only four foucs levels.

http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html
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Reply #13 - Jan 8th, 2012 at 2:10pm
 
Eric-

'I've been giving readings using Moen's techniques for quite some time and never charged a penny.  Charging money for readings is simply unacceptable. '

But what about someone with a great talent for mediumship (a kind of Usain Bolt if you will !) - would'nt giving up the day job allow them to reach more people providing more assurance and comfort to the bereaved ?

My take on this is that if people are going to charge money some kind of accreditation or licensing is in order. To get this you would have to prove a) You have a real ability b) You have undergone some kind of grief counselling training c) You are operating ethically. Of course for this to happen there would have to be official recognition that there is such a thing as real mediumship ...
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Reply #14 - Jan 8th, 2012 at 9:09pm
 
heisenberg69 wrote on Jan 8th, 2012 at 2:10pm:
Of course for this to happen there would have to be official recognition that there is such a thing as real mediumship ...

Well, that's really the crux of the issue: charging money for something that can't even be proven to exist.  Well, it could be, but mainstream science isn't exactly chomping at the bit to make it happen.

I understand paying the bills, but I've also given ~20 readings a day while having a part-time job and being a stay at home dad, and i'm not exactly a speedy reader.
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