Please don't respond to this thread, but visit my "Cha, Cha, Changes and Preparations for same" Thread here at
http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1325618052
     if you feel like commenting on this particular thread.  I will be periodically "bumping up" this thread once in awhile to keep it publicly visible.   These threads are very loosely related to the "2012 and the coming energy to Earth" thread on this page, except in timing and scope of change.

  There has been plenty talk of Earth changes and the like at this site, but i've seen very little talk of practical and holistic preparation, which is why i started the thread which is linked above.  I welcome any and all with interest and/or insight into these subjects--I would love feedback, suggestions, other ideas etc.  The other thread is broken up into segments such as spiritual attunement, food, clothing, water, transportation.

What's not taught in the textbooks throughout most of mainstream academia is the awareness that many (or most) ancient and indigenousness cultures either past or present have of the cyclical nature of time and the world wide experience of collapses of civilizations. 

  To think that our civilization will be exempt from such collapses and transformations is perhaps wishful thinking, if you ask most higher level nonphysical helper types. 

  Such cycles have happened many times in the past and explains why humanity appears to be so dense and slow learning over such long periods of times and only has begun to think in an advanced, technological type way just in the last 150 yrs or so. 

  Yet the Vedas and other ancient texts describe things like flying vehicles, bombs, and other modern things most only associate with the last handful of generations.   

  Many ancient cultures or indigenous people's describe times of cataclysm and great material challenge, but many also speak of Golden ages wherein humanity was much more collectively positive, loving, and spiritually aware.  Many prophesy both for the future.

  I strongly suspect or am open to, based on both internal guidance and being led to some respectable outer sources (many connected strongly to The Monroe Institute in some way), that both are very strong potentials or probabilities within my lifetime.  I am one of the many that chose to incarnate at this time to help facilitate this process in a positive way, so that it does lead to a Golden Age of greater unity and positivity.

  Remember, the more of us who care about the larger human family in a PUL type way and about the Earth itself, who survive and thrive during these coming changes, the easier it will be to CO-CREATE with the Creative Consciousness that potential Golden Age of global human Love and unity attunement, which ever leads to greater individual and collective happiness 

  Collectively, we have a long way to go before this comes to full fruition, but there are a number of people, quite a high percentage on this site alone, who can help facilitate these positive changes and act as anchors of sanity, balance, helpfulness and positivity for others when chaos and selfishness start to rage around them like a dark tempest. 

   In short, every person capable and who has agreed to stay or to consider staying here, will be needed.  Not one of us is "least" in this tapestry, and we all are and will be bound by the strength of PUL type love.  Please don't think you can't help, that you don't have the strength or the gifts, please don't think so little of yourself.  You WILL have help from the nonphysical, from helpful E.T.'s, and from all who are creative in essence, when you truly will need it.  The very Co-Creator Gods will help you if you are seeking to help your fellow human and the Earth. 

  Thank you all for listening, and please come visit and participate in the thread I linked at the beginning. 

Justin,

Do you know what happened to KarmaLars' comment on this thread, asking you if you were a "nutcase" ?

I was looking forward to your answer.

I was tempted, but knew that Justin would sit back and let it settle before making any comment.

he he, yes Justin I think you're a bit of nutcase too. But I like you anyway. I think nearly all us humans are nutcases in our own way, at least a little bit. Like you point out, it is healthy for us to recognise in what areas we can be a little nutty, at least then we can laugh at our selves.   

I know you are capable of sticking up for yourself against a rough challenge, for I have seen you do so, and you have done so against me. And I admire that. I admire men, and women, who are prepared to stand up for themselves, and who do not turn to an authority and expect the authority to take over all their potentially unpleasant interpersonal dealings and protect them from anything that is a little uncomfortable, for that is contrary to what life is about. 

I assume it was Admin's work to delete KarmaLars' question/comment to you, for the entire post is removed, not just its content deleted.

I have noticed it is not unusual for challenging, crude or harsh posts to get deleted, and I notice some forum members don't mind drawing Admin's/Bruce Moen's attention to posts they think should be deleted. Naturally, I don't admire that, although I understand it. 



That reminds me, here is something I can be a little nutty about: 

I have observed that on biker forums, hunter's forums, boxer's forums any forums where the members don't portray themselves as society's good/caring/spiritual people and even on forums frequented by so-called racist types, sexist types, and criminal types, that the range of human discussion is capable of being far wider and freer than on forums where the "good people" meet.

On those non-spiritual/non-good people forums one may talk about anything across the full wide spectrum of human thought, from the finest to the crudest, from the politest to the rudest, and from the highest ideas of what is good and right and spiritual, to the crudest talk and of the meanest kind. On such forums one can freely challenge others, and in any fashion and by any means that words enable. One can speak any opinion from high to low, from left to right; can express any ideal, any push, any effort, in any direction. On such forums, posts do not get deleted, ideas and opinions are not banned or filtered out, but rather are thrashed out, and by reason, logic and fairness and by contrast and comparison, truth becomes visible and ultimately stands forth victorious. I like those forums, because I value truth above all else, and freedom of expression next to that, for freedom is the formula that leads to truth revealed.

But I notice that on the "spiritual", "caring", "good people's" forums, where those who like to think they are on the spiritual path come to meet and talk, that there is nearly always some degree of censorship of human input, either from the Administrator's own initiative, or by the Administrator's initiative at the membership's prompting.

As such, on such forums the range of human expression and discussion is restricted. Conversations are censored to fit into posting guidelines, and to be "on topic", "pleasant" and so-called "safe", and to fit other seemingly nice and cosey standards. 

To someone like myself, the restrictions on speech that plague the "good people's" forums makes them look like hypocrites. For I see quite clearly that truth emerges visible and recognisable not out of censorship but out of the smoke of the conflict that arises when the full spectrum of truth and falseness is enabled to mix together; and I recognise that freewill in its infinite width of expression is the agent of that conflict; and that love is for freewill, like a beacon light, and only freewill can come to know love and truth. So I don't think highly of those who think themselves the good people but who like to censor the speech of others.

I notice it is the same in physical life gatherings, that amongst the so-called community conscious types, the "socially aware" people, and the "spiritual" and the "caring" types, that ideas, opinions, even words are restricted to fit a narrow ideology, and non-compliance is not tolerated.

And yet in gatherings of those who do not claim to hold the moral high ground, there one can freely speak up and down, left and right, and to and fro in any direction, and in any words and terms.

Over the years through my work and other activities, I have mixed with miners, manual labourers, criminals, prisoners, so-called racists, sexists, white supremacists, shooters, hunters, the non-pc, the so-called rednecks and bogan types, and found that I and others can speak about anything, can put forward any opinion, and it might be vigorously disagreed with but I have never been banned from saying anything by such people.

And I have also mixed with psychologists, sociologists, academics, new-age spiritual caring types, meditators, community educators / workers / social workers, and found that all but a narrow portion of the full range of human ideas, opinions and speech is banned by such people, even many words are banned. Working in such fields, I have seen colleagues sacked or otherwise forced out of their jobs just because they have been found out to disagree with the compulsory narrow ideology or because they used a word they were not suppose to use. Being seen to comply with the narrow compulsory ideology is a survival requirement when working in such fields. And these are the fields where the supposed good people work, who say they care for others. Such people wear innocent caring expressions, but their expressions are false; they are not what they seem to be. These people use frequent buzzwords like diversity, tolerance, equality, to hide that their hearts are really the opposite of what they pretend to be.

The true opposition to good is not apparent evil, but apparent good. Anyone who aspires to true goodness should contemplate this.   

Hi

An aside:
"I assume it was Admin's work to delete KarmaLars' question/comment to you, for the entire post is removed, not just its content deleted."

That doesn't happen here, I think.  Only the poster has a delete button for a short while after posting. If Bruce moves it to non-related topics (at the bottom) he uses a bold faced title to explain where it went.

I agree that censorship in this world is growing, but so is freedom to speak foolishly, as seen on facebook, twitters, etc. Electronic Babel, a long way from how words were once held sacred -- oh wait, or was declaring them sacred a kind of censorship too?

Bets

Crossbow,

I wrote a reply that disappeared and didn't delete it. Interesting to read about someone else having similar thoughts about PC. Different folks have shown me unparalleled honesty and brutal truth at best, snake pit and never ending ego-fights as a worst case scenario. There's a huge growth potential in honesty, though it may be unpleasant.

Foul language. The root "problem" is that some words carry power, or are allotted power. Light 'n love doesn't allow for power. Though I find this dog eat dog world tipped on the scale towards the dark polarity, the other way around would be equally crappity smacked up. Light polarity is like an iron fist in a velvet glove. Censor the "bad words", turn the other cheek, don't defend yourself, take it all in, keep it nice 'n shallow and so on.

What I do like about light 'n lovers, and all kinds of kind people is heart, warmth and good times. But fake smiles and lies to be nice is a waste of time. The plastic 'no matter what' part about love becomes evident when 'get a life' is all that it takes to remove the other cheek that was proposed to be available 24/7.

That's part of the reason why I would not talk publicly about occultly seen future events; except what can be seen clearly happening on Earth if one opens their eyes and looks around. I see no point in distracting people from their living; or making them unecessarily worried.

(I'm not referring to the climate change / global warming pseudo-science propaganda. I think it is wrong for school teachers to scare little children and make older youths disrespectful by lying to them that the previous generations have ruined their planet and the world is going to cook, seas rise, no drinking water, etc.)

KarmaLars,
"May I suggest you start telling everybody you meet, especially people with children that they must prepare for the envitable, because the oracle justin says so. Better still, go to your local hospital and visit the maternity ward, and tell the happy parents that they and their newborns are coming into a terrible period 2012-2016!"

This and other topics are written on a board you and others seek out or come by, and by one's own choice - to read and/or participate. What's the point of telling everybody everything?

"What happens 2016? ... We all get to go into the afterlife! Whoopee!"

Sooner or later every body will die, some before 2016, 2023 or whatever. Not necessarily because of a global event, but could be a personal one, seemingly out of the blue. Die while sleeping, while playing hide and seek with the kids, mowing the lawn, watching sports and drinking beer, while writing on this forum, eating salad, listening to the ocean surf, rolled over by the garbage truck, a knife in the back, kiss on the cheek, while laughing and the list goes on. Whoopee!