Paranoid schizophrenics also have "visions." 

Objective, first-hand experience of nonphysical energy systems reveals that the Abrahamic heaven/hell belief construct is a mere fantasy.

Instead of wondering about Saint Teresa, why not experience the afterlife for yourself?  Moen's techniques are simple and straightforward.

I suggest that you consider discarding your religious beliefs.

It is unfair to say that "the Abrahamic heaven and hell belief construct is a mere fantasy." 

This comment shows a complete lack of understanding about the nature of consciousness.  Most of conscious perception is based in a belief system of some kind.  One man's belief fantasy is another's reality.

The problem for the "religion bashers" is that many of them believe in nothing, and so in the end have a moral relativism - a state where whatever anyone deems is ok, is so because the standard view is just a fantasy. 

Yet most explorers who are NOT religious  - people at TMI, Monroe, Moen, have found that consciousness is fed by and sustained by love - often called PUL on this board.  At its very essence, judaism and christianity teach love of God and love of one's fellow man (no matter what other messages are thrown in). 

Indeed most sources reference God as the source of this love.  So here you have in some ways a verification by explorers from Swedenborg centuries ago to Monroe, that many basic tenets of the Abrahamic religious beliefs are borne out.

Sure specific laws in the Old Testament are outdated - but these were rules to live by in a different time.  The overall message from the Abrahamic faiths have been verified time and time again by explorers. 

It is important not to be so blinded by hate for orthodoxy or the conformity of religion, that we write off those who call themselves religious as schizophrenics.

Matthew

DocM-

'so in the end have a moral relativism - a state where whatever anyone deems is ok'

Surely moral relativism is simply stating that moral norms are relative to time and place not that moral values don't exist or making a value judgment that 'anything goes' !

Jdee,

Wherever your conscious mind takes you, there you will go......

Heisenberg,

No, I disagree with you on this one.  Moral relativism is real, and implies that any course of action is ok, because in the end, nothing matters.  New Age people use this sometimes to somewhat smugly say things such as "it doesn't matter if one is a mass murderer or chooses a dark path, because we are all here to learn, and eventually, that soul will see the light."   They also argue that those killed or maimed will really be ok, because we are simply immortal spirits at play and nothing can really harm us.

Various religious and non-religious groups have taken up there on form of moral relativism - the most prominent being the British mystic Aleistair Crowley, who developed his own religious system called Thelema - whose philosophy was "do as thou will." 

My explorations and intuition and that of many others seems to support the idea that love is at the root of all consciousness and life (whether we see it or not).  This may of course be a belief system, but it is more a fundamental one, not a complicated belief.  If true, it does set up what is known in major religions from buddhism to christianity as "right thought" and "right action."  That which will lead you closer to love (and God) then necessarily becomes "good."  Don has written about this as well on this site.

If PUL is the foundation of our being, then there is both and order and a "good" action, even in general terms.  This blows apart the theory of the moral relativists who may see causing pain and misery as simply "exploring your dark side," as if it were a hobby that we drop when we feel like it.   

So this is why moral relativism rings so wrong to me.  If there is no "good," then nothing matters.  There is no love or PUL as we've talked of if moral relativism applies.

Matthew

Regarding Moral Relativism, in order for the creative process to be functional, free will has to exist.

In order for each of us to have the freedom to learn in our own way, it has to be allowed that many of us will learn what needs to be learned the hard way.

As a result, at some point during their development, some souls manifest in a way where they harm others (sometimes greatly). Even if it is unavoidable, this isn't a good thing! It's never a good thing when one person does something that causes another to suffer.

There are some new age sources of information that say things that involve moral relativism. They present themselves as if they are deep, but going by what they say they are shallow. If such sources truly looked into their hearts they would not come up with the supposed sophisticated explanation they come up with.

I'm not saying that one should be judgmental towards those who do wrong, but I believe that some people make a really big mistake when they lose the ability to see that it is possible for evil activity to take place. In their attempt to be a sophisticated thinker they separate themselves from their ability to think in a truly wise manner. If 20 guys gang rape a girl, it is an evil thing. What Adolph Hitler did was evil, regardless of what that Conversations of God guy wrote.

Perhaps this is one of the things some channeled sources hope to achieve.  To get people to the point where they can't recognize the difference between right and wrong. How will their souls ever reach the goals they seek if they lack such discernment?

When one isn't caught up in moral relativism it is just as easy to see through the false statements made by people who are as it is to see through the statements of a person who is overly judgmental.

Rob_Roy wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 2:26pm:

I agree that nonphysical reality is more subjective than physical reality.  But, I've run into a whole lot of very objective people stuck in hollow heavens and hollow hells.  All a bunch of religious fantasies. 

I'm not bashing religion; I'm bashing dogma that gets people stuck in belief-constructs. 

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Absolutely.  At the very essence, religions tend to reflect the findings that modern afterlife researchers have found-- the framework of nonphysical reality, the importance of love and enlightenment, etc.

But the problem is, so much dogma has crept in and buried the essential truths of these religions.

As for me, I have no religion.  No need for extra baggage.  I have facts and information that I obtain through my own explorations and guides.

JDEE,
For an example of a mystic that can inspire you and also fit into the religious framework, I strongly recommend Thomas Merton, one of the greatest thinkers of our time, and certainly a holy man of the highest stature.