Focus 27,
Focus27 wrote on Dec 20th, 2011 at 11:53pm:How can mind and body be separate when they are scientifically proven to be directly linked together?
Proving a separation of mind and body can only scientifically be proven as a fact if you can somehow destroy the body yet prove the mind still exists. (I.E. Spiritual Mediums.)
There is scientific proof that a radio receiver's output can be directly linked to the signal fed to a radio transmitter. You are assuming that the mind (the signal) resides in the body, making them inseparable. And you are right, we can only prove the signal still exists if we kill the radio receiver and find another way to link to the original signal.
Personally, I believe that waiting on and relying on attempts at "scientific proof" of things metaphysical is a horrendous waste of time that is most often doomed to failure. The Remote Staring Experiments by Drs Schlitz and Wiseman ( in the story at this link
http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/relg-sci.html ) demonstrate that the scientist's beliefs can somehow skew the results of scientifically controlled experiments to conform to the beliefs of the scientist running the experiment. This renders the Scientific Method useless as a tool of testing and metaphysical hypothesis.
If we can't rely on scientists to answer questions like yours where can expect to find answes? Must we rely on spiritual mediums? Personally, I find a good medium can be helpful for some things. But to truly find answers to these kinds of questions we have only one option,
our own direct experience. I could never allow myself to completely trust anyone else's perceptions or opinions. For the first several years I explored for answers I could not even allow myself to trust and accept my own direct experience and perceptions.
It took years before I discovered there was a way to independently verify my own metaphysical experiences. Through learning to make contact and communicate with the deceased, people who no longer have physical bodies, and finding ways to verify the information they gave me, I began to suspect what I was perceiving was real. And, that began a long series of experiences that removed all doubt. It led to finding ways to cross verify information through partnered exploring sessions.
Focus27 wrote on Dec 20th, 2011 at 11:53pm:If I took a brutal mass chainsaw murderer and surgically and drug induced (prophynol) and manage to remove all memory of killing . . .
Again, your basic assumption is that the origin of the "signal" is within the physical body. You can smash, crush, chop up, destroy and incinerate the radio receiver in any way you like, but if the source of the signal is outside the radio you have had no effect on the signal's source. At best you have a lobotomized person, chemically or otherwise, with not enough functional brain matter to be an adequate signal receiver. But you've had
no effect on the "mind" mass murderer.
Focus27 wrote on Dec 20th, 2011 at 11:53pm:I have done a lot of meditation, which causes hallucinations. It's in fact very easy to meditate long enough and utilize bin aural beats to initiate closed eye visions and hallucinations.
Assumptions, assumptions . . .
The trick with hallucinations is to find ways to test whether or not their content is real or fantasy. Too often our basic assumptions cause us to jump to the conclusion that since it was an hallucination it therefore MUST be fantasy and we don't bother to test our assumption. I wasted a lot of years blindly accepting that very assumption. When I decided to test my assumption I discovered my assumption was in error. Sometimes the content of our "hallucinations" is discovered to be veritably real and true.
Test. test. test.
Bruce