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Reply #15 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 4:18pm
 
recoverer,
"I believe Walsch is poisoning people's mind with his moral relativistic BS."

Enter cheek turning and walsch's part in the movie is that of an extra. New waves help turn the tide, all you need is love. Unconditional love. Infinite love is the only truth, everything else is illusion.

At the end of the day, there are as many views of what constitutes bullshit as there are flies, and we've all got a buzz for our special spots.

If a significant part of love is compassion, then good luck on your path walsch and light 'n lovers, and may playing the victim not be a hindrance to the effect of being rocks blocking the the light to what it means to make one's own supposedly well-weighted choices and the following consequences.

Boiled down, all bullshit aside, the short of it is simply good luck.
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Reply #16 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 6:15pm
 
I meant "The Pianist," not "The Piano Player."
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Reply #17 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 6:23pm
 
I believe it is hard to know what evil beings are all about. Perhaps the only way to know is to go where they are and find out. But that would probably be a bad idea.

If we basically live according to love, I don't believe that we have to worry about becoming an evil being after death.

Focus27 wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 5:00am:
I love when we talk about spirits... almost everyone seems to agree that we have "good" spirits and "evil spirits"

Just what are these evil spirits? Are they possibly another form of being... such as demons? Or are they just spirits of intelligent life in general that decided they enjoy hurting others?

These evil spirits... tortured souls that are stuck in a reality of needing to hurt others?

Hows does one become one of these spirits?

Will I become an evil spirit when I die?

I think these are all valid and interesting questions. I enjoy pushing peoples buttons of course, but do I really want to hurt anyone? And, in the end "evil spirits" are always toted as wanting to hurt but being unable to hurt you unless you "allow" them... so what point is there of them existing then?

I mean, I really don't want to be an evil spirit unless I can have a grotesque demon body of incredible power and really have some fun with it......

Just saying.....

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Reply #18 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 6:24pm
 
I believe it's BS for a guy to claim that he channels God when he doesn't.


Volu wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 4:18pm:
recoverer,
"I believe Walsch is poisoning people's mind with his moral relativistic BS."

Enter cheek turning and walsch's part in the movie is that of an extra. New waves help turn the tide, all you need is love. Unconditional love. Infinite love is the only truth, everything else is illusion.

At the end of the day, there are as many views of what constitutes bullshit as there are flies, and we've all got a buzz for our special spots.

If a significant part of love is compassion, then good luck on your path walsch and light 'n lovers, and may playing the victim not be a hindrance to the effect of being rocks blocking the the light to what it means to make one's own supposedly well-weighted choices and the following consequences.

Boiled down, all bullshit aside, the short of it is simply good luck.

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Re: Communicating with people vs. spirits
Reply #19 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 6:53pm
 
recoverer wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 1:56pm:
I don't agree with the below. Say a little girl is forced to be a prostitute. I don't care what culture or galaxy a person comes from, it is a very negative thing when a little girl is forced to be a prostitute. The same is true with a lot of things such as when a husband beats his wife. It is not relative.

Sometimes people get into this moral relativism business because they want to be more loving and therefore non-judgmental.  It is fine to be non-judgmental, but another very significant part of love is compassion. When we listen to our hearts intellect based moral relativism gets thrown out the window. It is quite easy to see whether the action that is taking place is good or bad. If somebody such as a little girl is harmed, and we listen to our heart and consider her welfare, there is no way we can deny that something bad is happening to her.

Last night I watched "The Pianist."  The movie is based on a true story. What happened to the Jewish people in the "true" story the movie was based on was horrible. It is okay for our souls to recognize when something unjust is done.

Some people might wonder why I speak against somebody such as Neale Donald Walsch. One of the reasons is that he makes God sound like a dimwit who doesn't understand the difference between right and wrong. I don't mean that God is judgmental, but certainly God understands when the evil actions of some cause others to suffer. Certainly God cares about when people are harmed, just as any loving person or being would care. I believe Walsch is poisoning people's mind with his moral relativistic BS.


heisenberg69 wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 5:31am:
I believe 'evil' is a relative term i.e evil compared to what ? I have met people who I would cross the street to avoid and assuming that people's personality survives death and does'nt change much on the transition then logically these people become spirits we may wish to avoid.I think we have the choice whether we focus on them or on a more evolved, loving source.



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no one is saying we don't make judgements - we make them all the time, its just that they are always embedded in a particular perspective.Its certainly true that the majority of modern western people (including me) believe that the examples you give are inherently wrong.But I can tell you that there are historical examples where those choices would have been considered the best ones in the situation e.g where prostitution was considered preferable to family starvation or a Victorian society where a respectable gentleman retained firm discipline in his home.The problem with moral absolutism is that there is the temptation to believe that the current worldview is the absolute correct moral one.I can guarantee you that in 100 years time some of our current moral choices will be seen as bordering on the wicked/evil, just as we would say that about sending small boys up chimneys 150 years ago or burning Protestants at the stake 500 years ago (interestingly the Catholics often believed that the flames 'cleansed' the heretics and may even save them from hell doing them a favour !).There is no reason to believe that we are at any absolute moral endpoint, but hopefully we are moving in a more PUL directed one ...

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p.s I enjoyed The Pianist too !
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Reply #20 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 7:25pm
 
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I don't want to make the mistake of putting myself in a trap where I am not being able to determine what is appropriate on a moment to moment basis. Therefore, I view a situation according to what is happening now, rather than according to what happened at another time and place.

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Reply #21 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 7:30pm
 
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'I believe it's BS for a guy to claim that he channels God when he doesn't.'

I don't understand your antipathy to Walsch. Throughout history people have claimed to have a hot line to the Almighty.Turn the tv now onto the tele-evangelist channels and its all - 'God wants you to do this' or 'God hates that' or 'God says He wants your money'; everyone seems to know what God wants ! It seems strange to pick on Walsch for this. Although not a Walsch devotee, I think he has some thought provoking things to say and he seems one of the more benign ones of the bunch. He also admiits that these words come through the Neale Donald Walch filter and so are not The Final Word i.e infallible. Like anything we can show discernment and disregard that which does'nt resonate with us.

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Re: Communicating with people vs. spirits
Reply #22 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 7:36pm
 
recoverer wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 7:25pm:
heisenberg69:

I don't want to make the mistake of putting myself in a trap where I am not being able to determine what is appropriate on a moment to moment basis. Therefore, I view a situation according to what is happening now, rather than according to what happened at another time and place.



Exactly- from a perspective embedded within a particular time and place. Nothing wrong with that we all do it.

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