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Our animals and altered states
Nov 25th, 2011 at 5:45pm
 
Hi,

Crossbow was just commenting on another thread about communications with his cat, and it seems a subject that might offer more to share.
Have your afterlife experiences also ever involved a pet or animal?

My dog Barnaby could tell when AM came by OB. About a year or so ago AM proved to me that he had been to our house by describing various things and arrangements. And his 'energy signature' was such that I could tell him from some others. AM and I checked times and verified his visits that way as well.

Barnaby would first notice AM in the NE corner of the ceiling.  Barnaby would then track AM visually as AM went over to my husband or me. The first few times it happened Barnaby would come over to me for reassurance, his eyebrows puckered with anxiety. Later he got used to these visits and just watched from where he lay.

Animals certainly another layer to what we know as reality.

(An aside note: AM's energy signature was very strong until recently he got ill, then it changed, and Barnaby didn't respond to a couple of his last visits that I sensed. However the last time he visited, which was I think in early October, he was his old self again and Barnaby again 'watched' him. Sadly, since that visit he has not been back. )

Hopefully this title is too broad and we can spin off quite a range of afterlife experiences that our animals have participated in.
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Reply #1 - Nov 26th, 2011 at 5:40pm
 
Is AM somebody you know that the rest of us probably don't know?
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Reply #2 - Nov 26th, 2011 at 7:20pm
 
Hi Recoverer,

You and everyone who read this site up until a few months ago know him.  However he hasn't responded to my recent emails, including asking him if I can share here any of the afterlife-related experiences we had.  So without permission I thought maybe AM would be a clue. It's not a typo, AH / Recoverer  Smiley
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Reply #3 - Dec 1st, 2011 at 12:01am
 
I've seen deceased pets in dreams before but only one time was I actually aware it was a dream. It was a very strange experience though in which I thought I saw my deceased cat at the foot of my bed and knew she was dead and therefore I must be dreaming, and so I went over to pet her and give her a kiss on the forehead, knowing that when I woke up she would be gone. I remember waking up not being sure whether or not it was a dream and feeling emotions that had me suppressing tears several times at school during the day.
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Reply #4 - Dec 2nd, 2011 at 1:00am
 
In the early '90s when I was getting shown around OOB I was shown the "souls" and "oversouls" of various animals and what the roles of their species are and how they play their parts on Earth and assisted humans. I was first shown dogs, cats and horses, then later a few others and then a sort of overview of how the whole system of humanity and nature interact. I was shown how the animals are all telepathic within their own species but not in a way we might think telepathy is because human intelligence and mind and souls operate differently to animals, and animals different to each other. I was shown how animals each have their own type of intelligence. Whereas our intelligence stems from a black and white prime distinction, making ours non-programed, free and unlimited, the animals each have a prime distinction that is particularly "qualified" for their species. For instance the fox's prime distinction is, "is it prey? (or) can it hurt me?" - everything else is almost invisible to its mind like an unnoticed background canvass upon which its reality is painted and within which its intelligence operates. The prime distinction divides and subdivides to the extent of the individual's awareness, replicating itself with each division and has the potential to do so infinitely, and thus the intelligence
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simmultaneously "reduces" and "expands" itself and has the potential to do so infinitely. The increasing of intelligence by its reduction and expansion is governed by the reduction and expansion of awareness - the ability to recognise further distinctions, patterns, generalities and so on. That is how its intelligence is increased, but it remains limited/qualified by its prime distinction. Intelligence is in the awareness/soul, not in the mind.
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Mind is a tool of intelligence. Some animals have an intelligence that is sort of "missing" a requirement to fully satisfy its "soul" and so they are attracted to another species, like dogs are attracted to humans. This allows them to be used by their oversoul to do their particular job in human affairs. For instance dogs are "drawn/attracted" to a human at the level of the human's conscience, that being a measurable mark/quality/peak in both the dog and the human which is the peak of their respective best potentials at any given time. The individual dog and human are attracted to each other when/where/according to their respective "consciences/peaks" are on the same level and (although different) are harmonised. (Dog's prime distinction is between a particular range of pleasant and unpleasant emotions) The dog is like an emotional sponge, absorbing the human's emotions. So the difference between the dog's "peak" and his resultant emotional state as absorbed and induced by his human companion reflects the difference between his human's conscience and the human's emotional functioning. This difference in the animal is registered/communicated to the animal's oversoul and the same type of information about humans (the difference between their conscience and their emotional functioning) is gathered from across the species (from all dogs) and collated and used to manage the Earth School and benefit humanity. Other domestic animals operate similarly, cats and horses for instance, and their prime distinctions are different again, their intelligence is different and they are each attracted to a different aspect of human life, and so register different human variances and communicate different information to their oversouls and thus assist with different parts of the Earth School and human development. 

I would like to know if what I have said above makes sense to others - not whether it is believed or not (though you are welcome to say that too) - but mainly whether it is picturable / understandable / logical to others? Can the idea be understood and taken away, even if you think it is nonsense or not true?
 
I am toying with the idea of writing my experiences and what to put in and leave out. I want it all to be as simple and easy to understand as possible but it is hard to get there.   
Sorry Bets I went way off thread there. I hope the above is of interest though. 
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Reply #5 - Dec 2nd, 2011 at 5:39am
 
make sense-wise, I have no idea what you mean here
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Whereas our intelligence stems from a black and white prime distinction, making ours non-programed, free and unlimited, ...


From the point of view of believing, in this scheme, how do animals, say dogs for instance,  end up as objects of scientific research? especially since you say
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For instance dogs are "drawn/attracted" to a human at the level of the human's conscience, that being a measurable mark/quality/peak in both the dog and the human which is the peak of their respective best potentials at any given time. The individual dog and human are attracted to each other when/where/according to their respective "consciences/peaks" are on the same level and (although different) are harmonised. (Dog's prime distinction is between a particular range of pleasant and unpleasant emotions) The dog is like an emotional sponge, absorbing the human's emotions. So the difference between the dog's "peak" and his resultant emotional state as absorbed and induced by his human companion reflects the difference between his human's conscience and the human's emotional functioning.


so how is a dog attracted to a body that is going to be cut up in an experiement, what emotions is it absorbing there and how does that help earth school? or is the point that we miss what is being reflected?

The dogs that live where they eat dogs, do they have the same relationship to humans?
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Reply #6 - Dec 2nd, 2011 at 12:45pm
 
Hi Crossbow,

Your explanations help me alot.  I've tried to establish mental communication with a variety of animals, but to the extent that I treated them all as dogs, I got less feedback from the non-canines. So I turned to complimenting them about what they did (squirrels leaping and balancing, horses having running speed and power, cats' grace and silence). I seemed to get more feedback from the compliments.

Could you tell us more about the different species' "prime distinctions?" Can I think of them as 'soul attributes'?

Your ideas  fit with the thread title just fine.

Good comments, Lucy.  I look forward to hearing more from Crossbow on the points you raised.

What if war, vivesection, etc is so outside the natural order that they cannot be accounted for?

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Reply #7 - Dec 2nd, 2011 at 9:03pm
 
Bets and Lucy, see some edits in the post. It might read clearer now.

Yes Bets, you are correct, the prime distinction is an attribute of soul. It is of the first attribute, that of awareness and the ability to discern. The second being choice, and the next is effort or use of force. Each attribute is built on the one before and each attribute divides into faculties x 7 x 7, and the faculties extend externally and internally. 

A picture says a thousand words but I will try to describe it. (maybe someone can tell me how to post pictures) Picture in your mind the vastness of empty space. In that space picture a square divided horozontally in half; into two rectangles. The top half of the square is white; the bottom half is black. That is intelligence. That is the prime distinction.

Imagine that square replicates itself - two smaller squares set below itself, each divided into white and black rectangles. Then those two divide into four, those four into eight, and so on, infinitely. This increasing pyramid is the increasing of intelligence by its reduction and expansion - getting ever finer and wider.

The universe and all existence is layed out similarly, as a pyramid of truth. Every fact can be divided into two or more facts. The chair into its legs, its seat, its back, and those parts further divided. And every fact is itself a division of a fact above it. At the top of the pyramid is Truth the Sum Total and Unification of all Facts. It divided and subdivided to make all existence.

Do you see? Intelligence corresponds with existence - with truth. Intelligence is the ability to recognise. To discern the facts to finer and finer degrees, and to a wider and wider expance, and to recognise patterns, generalities, differences, and so on. Anything we perceive is comprised of a combination of facts, which are units of truth, and our perception of it is a corresponding combination of our units of intelligence.   

Our prime distinction is black and white, that is the most extreme and unlimited intelligence. It has no programming, just potential. Everything existist between and as a combination of black and white. By their blending, their dividing, arranging and conmbinations can be perceived and is all things.

Animals intelligence is based on a qualitative prime distinction, which replicates itself as described above, unlimited in extent, but limited in quality, which is its width.

There is much more about intelligence but I must leave it there for now.

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All creatures have their role and every role works in some way to support this planet as a school for freewilled souls. Many animals are part of nature's vast scaffolding which supports the school of Earth. Others serve in closer contact to humanity. Some provide their bodies for consumption, for material, for medice, experiments, and other uses. Some are here to monitor and measure us (the school's progress) in different ways. The dog registers our emotions; the cat, our mental attitude; the horse sees what we do and through our history has even done it for us. Other animals teach us, give us hints and clues, embody for us an idea to help us grasp it, a quality, a virtue. Others test our patience, help us be punctual, encourage us to keep houses and our bodies clean and tidy, and some help sharpen our awareness and our senses. And all species and individuals are versatile to some degree; they do other roles besides their central one.
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In reality, there are no victims on this planet - except those victims of the Victim Industry who become convinced that they are victims when they're not, then waste their lives in self pity, irresponsibility and self imposed limitation.

Nothing is unexpected on this planet; nothing is a surprise. Not to those who understand freewill and the nature of this school.
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All creatures have will and intelligence to a measure, otherwise they would have freewill, be unreliable, and could not do their job.

Human will and intelligence is free - therefore so is human thought and action - is unrestrained, not hemmed in in anyway, not in extent or width but is fully potentialised. And every creature that comes to this planet or puts its extensions down here knows that before it comes.   

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Telepathy with animals: Yes complimentary thinking and wonderment is good. It is in the expansion of both our heart and mind; the exercising of our ability to take in great things. Knowing our core, our soul, at level of both head and heart, and extending ourself to them or opening up to them.
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We should treat animals kindly as possible regardless of their roles and of what we have to do with them. We may work in an experimental laboratory, be a slaughter-man in an abattoir, a hunter, trapper or pest exterminator, but we can still love them, be appreciative of their service, and be as kind as our job and situation allows.   

 
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Reply #8 - Dec 3rd, 2011 at 5:37pm
 

Greetings,

I think you have discovered enough information for a book, Crossbow.  Most books probably don't have as much new revelation as your paragraphs here. Considering that new concepts have to be paraphrased, illustrated, explained etc from different angles for the readers, I expect you have a volume of about four hundred pages.

Your ideas are very exciting and have set me into several related trains of thought, but I'm cautious to post yet because it all has yet to sink in.  Thank you very much!
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Reply #9 - Dec 3rd, 2011 at 6:56pm
 
Thanks Bets. That above is a quick and vague jotting down; it needs many more details to tie it together and make it clear but this is only a forum post. And these things I mention are only a touch of what I could write. After several decades of getting out and about I have seen and learnt a lot - not by accident but by deliberately going there and seeing for myself. I can describe and expalin all of it in detail and it all fits together like a multidimensional jigsaw puzzle. And its all new, has not been presented before by other people. It builds on current understandings, goes ahead. I made sure of that when I learnt it; it was part of my learning conditions - to add to the sum-total of human knowledge. I was not / am not interested in repeated what has been done, or writing what has been writen. I expect it sounds boastful, but it happens to be the case that I can write on the vastest subjects, like how the dimensions and planes are laid out and intersect and how their respective time lines intermesh, down to how the soul and bodies/layers work together, how to leave the body, the nature of life and consciousness, psychology and how works the mind, emotions, vitality, sociology -an expansion of individual psychology to the collective society, world affairs past and present, much more on second sight and intelligence than I have writen here, dozens of past lives, dozens of out of body stories and adventures, how to navigate through space without getting lost, a lot about history, religions, nature of gravity, etc, etc, etc - and all in detail with the steps from where I start to how I learnt it, so others can verify it. I could fill a small library. But where do I start? I don't think I can write it all. What would serve the best? I am not interested in writing any same old out of body stuff that has been writen by so many writers. My own experiences are useless to others unless I explain the steps exactly how I have done it, so others can do it too, so I must include my steps, how I did it and then what I learnt, and how others can do it. I don't know where to start or how to do this job. Or even if I should do it. It is quite a stress.

Last week I went out and viewed many of the conflicts around the world, the various battle lines, both physical and mental, and the alliances and objectives of the sides. This can be done from high above by observing the auric colours of the nations on mental-emotional levels. (sociology can be studied in the same way) The conflict/s are complex but I had help to simplify it down so I could bring most of the information back in condensed pictorial form. Its all more and more. I feel like my brain will melt down. And its all a heavy secret, been several decades now, and I need to do something with it. Just not sure what or how.   

(edit) PS.    If you Bets or anyone has any ideas, let me know.   
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Reply #10 - Dec 5th, 2011 at 1:17am
 
Crossbow, thank you so much for sharing this very valuable communication!  For years I have looked for this sort of validation of my own intuitive understanding of animals.  I relate very deeply to them & am constantly overwhelmed by guilt for the way that humans treat & mistreat fellow beings.

Would you mind sharing details of how you came to this knowledge, are you a shaman?  Sorry if you have already explained this elsewhere; I don't have time to pop into this forum very often anymore.

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kirolak wrote on Dec 5th, 2011 at 1:17am:
Crossbow, thank you so much for sharing this very valuable communication!  For years I have looked for this sort of validation of my own intuitive understanding of animals.  I relate very deeply to them & am constantly overwhelmed by guilt for the way that humans treat & mistreat fellow beings.

Would you mind sharing details of how you came to this knowledge, are you a shaman?  Sorry if you have already explained this elsewhere; I don't have time to pop into this forum very often anymore.


Hello Kirolak,

No I'm not a shaman, I'm just a fella.

I am a Christian first and foremost. All else I am is second to that. 

Yes, to some degree correlations may provide validation, particularly when they exist in great number, but the surest confirmations are our own observations and experiences, and our own heart and life. I don't think your intuition needs me to validate it. 

There are some references to my background back through my posts on various threads. I think what you are asking about might be found on a thread titled "Are there Christians here?" (or similar title), quite a way in, about posts 50-60?

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Reply #12 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 12:27am
 
Thank you for the reply, Crossbow. ( I typed a lengthy response, but it just disappeared when I tried to post it so hope I remember my points!)

I printed out your previous post & read it in depth last night, & have to say that I don't agree that there are no victims.  In the ultimate sense, yes, in that we are all emanations of the One.  But while we wear bodies we all feel pain. In my understanding  we have no right to subject any other living creature to torture, experimentation, unnatural confinement or slaughter.

It may be so in the relationship between predator & prey that there is an "understanding/agreement" but we are not prey animals.  We dot not salivate at the sight of a cow or a sheep, nor do we have the  bodily weapons to kill them.  I see out function as that of caretakers of the physical planet & all who live on her.   

I agree that all creatures (not just animals) are drawn to one another in keeping with their level of consciousness (not conscience - but perhaps you are not English speaking, if I may ask?  In Spanish the same word is used for both conscience & consciousness but in English there is a fine distinction between them - I know because I used to make the same mistake)

According to my experience & understanding, all of us are spirit souls; I have been on many excursions in the astral with my old dog, who speaks to melike any human.  I have also encountered 3 dogs suspended in the astral at my front door, curled up as if asleep but still guarding the entrance to the house.  I recognised 2 of them as my still-living comanions (I share my life with 4 dogs)

I have met my cats in the astral on many occasions; they seem rather surprised that I am there in a conscious state, I might add!

I have made my energy available for soul rescue for any animals who die due to man's cruelty, & have seen some heartbreaking things, although often I mercifully do not remember all the details.

Just because a being is less developed in some ways than we are, does not give us any rights over them.  They should all be treated as little brothers/sisters; there are many humans who are at a lower developmental stage than many animals.

I do not use leather goods (of-course) but recently have learned that the plastic fabric used in place of leather is a petroleum product & harms the environment.  I am faced now with the dilemma of short- time compassion versus long-term compassion, & have opted for the one where the more sentient being is most directly affected - the animal.  I am aware that the vegetable kingdom is also sentient, as are all things.

However, as a wise man once said, we should just do our best according to time, place & circumstance. Sad

May all beings find peace, have sufficient & may no more blood be spilled.
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Reply #13 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 7:05am
 
Yes Kirolak, I meant there are no victims in a real sense, in that every soul is well briefed on the game before they chose to come here so they can't complain about being mistreated if they didn't like it - they knew what they were in for so in that sense there are no victims. But there is still such a thing as cruelty and mistreatment, so in that sense there are victims. There is also such a thing as assumed victimhood, whereby one assumes oneself to be a victim when one isn't, usually for the perceived gains. And there is applied assumed victimhood, whereby one convinces another/others they are victims when they aren't, and there are gains for both sides here. These assumed types of victimhood are the most limiting as they are self fulfilling and last as long as the individual believes in them. The subject has multiple facets and viewing angles and its a head stretch to take them all in and see the overall truth. I find it helps with such complex bodies to first comprehend the extremest examples and then fill in the spectrum in between them. 

What interesting animal experiences you have had. They are such lovely creatures. I have had many animals which have helped me through some tough times. One dog in particular, I don't know what I would have done without her. The one I have now is good too. She is a good sheep dog and companion.

No I didn't make a mistake using the word conscience, I meant to use it. It is within the consciousness, within and upwards at the inner upper border. That is why I used the word peak with it - conscience is the pinnacle of consciousness. I mean the real conscience, the anatomical one, not any of the mental-emotional constructions. The crown centre.

Yes, sentience is everywhere. There is no substance, no place or space where consciousness is not - and equally so, even if its intelligence varies.   





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Reply #14 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 11:39pm
 
Thank you, Crossbow, for clearing up those points! And please excuse the typos!
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