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Reply #15 - Dec 9th, 2011 at 11:15am
 
Hello betson and crossbow
My way of communicating with higher dimensions is seeing and hearing by imagination.
It seems to be very easy but after few years of practice I know that is hard to get into high dimensions.

What conditions must I meet ?...
First I need to calm my emotions, my energy. Purify myself.
That is work for all my life. For every day.
Carry out the process of forgiveness as much as it needs.  Forgiveness gives me the feeling of joy.


Next condition is joy and happiness.
This could be hard to meet. There are the days that I am under attack by some people, like every one of us.
It is just Life…
The big discomfort is that I feel human thoughts sending to me and they are usually not nice because people are in pain, suffering.
This causes pain psychical and physical in me.
I have felt humans suffering thoughts since few years and I am not sure why. My energy has become a sensitive.
The forgiveness is the liberation.

But to be honest I also feel human love to me, some of my family and friends and that are just wonderfull feelings.
Sometimes I got blissful moments and those can lead  to spiritual and physical ecstasy.
Then my ruby red chakra pulses and  I am overwhelmed by inner warmth and light.
Wonderful but extremely rare.

And finally I try to radiate love.
Exercise of Bruce of gathering of Love are great and listening of my favorite calm music - for example Vangelis.
For me it's just proper spiritual development that just pulls me in higher dimensions.

Technically - I just meditate with open eyes most of the time.

Greets Smiley
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Reply #16 - Dec 9th, 2011 at 6:43pm
 
So much truth in one small post. Some truths said openly and clearly, others touched upon, some pointed to without being said, some not said but are between the lines and behind the words.


Olinerum,
Thank you for your forgiveness.

For your sake and for the sake of all those whom your awareness encompasses and your heart touches I pray you keep strong through your life and that your heart overcomes all your life's tests and trials.




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Reply #17 - Dec 10th, 2011 at 8:59am
 
Thank you crossbow
Your Spiritual Beeing shines of golden light.
I have seen You like that since a few weeks.  Smiley

Do You know this kind of feeling when You meet someone like You someone with similar awarness ?
You feel happiness, joy and then one of your astral bodies  shines like the star and produces diamonds energy which cleans your thoughts your heart.
Then forgiveness is very easy, because you feel love - PUL.

I am very thankful that I can see these amazing energies in higher dimensions.

Such connections enlightened me and have allowed me to understand the mechanisms that determine our lives.
These are wonderful spaces and contact with them have change me forever.

Contact with human being with similar conciousness works similary.
And I understand apostels who left everything and traveled with Jesus.
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Reply #18 - Dec 10th, 2011 at 10:46am
 
I can only echo what others have said, but from what you described it's almost certainly your brow energy center activating.

How you can do it again?  Energy centers are activated simply by thinking about them, it helps be be relaxed and focused so that your attention is turned away from the physical.  I always pictured mine as flowers opening.

All that said, I almost never do any sort of meditation on my energy centers.  They do seem to be related to expansion of consciousness, but there's no need to manually open them, it's quite automatic.
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Reply #19 - Dec 10th, 2011 at 8:37pm
 
Yes eric
As everyone I am using the sixth eye.
But when you live in purity, forgiveness, you automaticly energizes the heart chakra which powers the rest of seven chakras.
If we are fighting with people or we are angry, sad then  this ability is very limited.

Another thing is that there are people who are completely  blocked  of using the imagination.
Each of us was born at a different stage of development and and has different tasks to perform in the life.
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olinerum wrote on Dec 10th, 2011 at 8:59am:
Thank you crossbow
1. Your Spiritual Beeing shines of golden light.
I have seen You like that since a few weeks.  Smiley

2. Do You know this kind of feeling when You meet someone like You someone with similar awarness ?
You feel happiness, joy and then one of your astral bodies  shines like the star and produces diamonds energy which cleans your thoughts your heart.
Then forgiveness is very easy, because you feel love - PUL.

3. I am very thankful that I can see these amazing energies in higher dimensions.

Such connections enlightened me and have allowed me to understand the mechanisms that determine our lives.
These are wonderful spaces and contact with them have change me forever.

Contact with human being with similar conciousness works similary.
4. And I understand apostels who left everything and traveled with Jesus.
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numbers put in by crossbow to assist response

1. I have my not-so-bright aspects too Oli,  Angry   Sad   Undecided  as you know. I tend to identify more with these. The brighter part is not me, but is a tiny part of He/That which is above me. A tiny part is all I can accommodate.

2. Yes. Understanding another does make forgiveness easier.

Would anyone like to understand others? This may help:
There is no burden in all the universe greater than the burden of freewill. Freewill is the most difficult element to master. Who in all of human history has learnt to wield freewill wisely? Understanding is the understanding that freewill stands under. This understanding and recognising freewill is the basis (starting place) to understanding all people and all human affairs. Understanding freewill makes it easier to forgive them, whom ever they are, whatever they do, for all they are and do is of their freewill. Forgiveness was made for freewill, and only freewill needs forgiveness; these two have their origin together in and from God, and their destiny is together forever through Man’s freewill journey.    

3. Yes, I am thankful too. Sometimes when I am down I forget to do it. Then I remember to practice it, even on the little things like a pretty leaf, a bird call, a view of the sky, or for my conditions not being worse. At other times thankfulness comes almost on its own with little effort from me and can be almost overwhelming in my chest. 

I think I should say, for the interested reader, that Thankfulness, like Love and Forgiveness is an activator of the heart and enables the higher functions and abilities of soul, including our ability to see and be aware of more than this familiar three dimensional world - and that is what this thread is about. Olinerum did not mention thankfulness for nothing. It is essential to the subject.

We see that Oli in his posts above mentions three powers of the heart - forgiveness, love and thankfulness - all in relation to his being aware of other dimensions. And he distinguishes these powers of the heart, which he exercises, from the emotions which he calms.  

With practice the power of thankfulness becomes easier to turn on, and it is a power with untold potential. There is always something to be thankful for. Even if we are thankful for a tiny thing, the thankfulness is just as potent as for a big thing. See above at the end of post 8, it was intense thankfulness for a simple morning scene that changed my vision to see the multi-layered dimensions (without me even trying to see it), raised and expanded all the senses of my soul to see things I never imagined, and I have been astral travelling for 30 years but I was still overwhelmed by the greatness of what I saw that morning. This is what exercising the powers of heart can do, and so much more than that.

So we have the method of using the physical eyes, and Oli's method of using the imagination or mind's eye, and the method of using the heart, but these are not really different methods, for they overlap and work together. The centres of the head, the crown, the throat, the heart, the mind's eye and the physical eyes, all have vision of their own, they all see in their own way, and their visions can align and join together, some of them or all of them together.

Heightened awareness in head is important - not dreaminess. A strong sense of one's own presence in the head, and of oneself in true relation with surroundings. Don't shut the senses out - turn them on. Open ears, open eyes. Know yourself as a centre of calm and potent awareness in head, aware of all around you equally, while nothing disturbs. Also with this, and more important, is the heart, for although the head directs the heart, the heart enables the head, and the limit of the heart is the limit of the head. 

4. Yes, I do too. And there were not only 12 who followed him, there were great crowds, many thousands.

About three weeks ago my heart felt like it was being wrung out, for several days it ached and pleasured at the same time, felt stretched and wrung as if nearly too much love to bear was squeezing through it. Whatever I looked at or thought of, the heart followed my attention and wrung itself both painfully and pleasurably towards whatever I looked at or thought of. I felt great love for everything, and immense thankfulness for the existence of Christ and the teachings of Jesus. The melody Be Thou My Vision kept welling up in my mind, even waking me from sleep. I could hear the cello, the harp and the flute, so beautiful, distinct and harmonised, and so powerful. I had many insights and clarities over several days. Tears kept flowing from my eyes but I was not crying like people usually cry. It was a sort of pain and sadness and thankfulness and love all together. It was like there was something inside my heart too big to take. Sometimes I was compelled to breathe heavy and hard, and the tears ran in keeping with what was coming through my heart, as if the eyes and heart were being wrung out together. And my left hand spent much time on my heart, for I did not want to take it away. I could feel the Spirit of Love doing something to me, like forcing itself into me. I had insights and clarities about Life and God and Love. I saw how my sufferings were blessings in disguise and had drawn this event to me. I saw with great clarity that Love is not of me, but is the offspring of God; and is its own life and spirit, its own entity, and we can communicate with it, and call upon it, and send it to others, for it is for us, and it comes into us, and becomes one with us, but although it can come in and through us and be one with us, it is its own life and spirit. There was much I saw but I can’t explain it all. I had occasional glimpses of its vastness and power, and its purpose and workings. The glimpses were only a moment or two but were clear and vast. I remember them like they were scenes through a window into the universe. Then after a few days the treatment stopped, quite suddenly. I can bring it back in lesser degree by will and remembrance and putting my hand on my heart or both together before my heart. I am left with a greater appreciation of The Spirit of Love that comes from the heart of God; the Lord of Hearts whose name is Christ.    
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Reply #21 - Dec 13th, 2011 at 9:47am
 
crossbow Smiley
I have to say that you warm up my heart, my chest, when I read Your post, p.4 yesterday.

You have connected with Your higher Being who I see as the man in golden coat, with dark short hair and mustache Smiley
This is my seeing of Him.
When You are thankful You are sending the particles of light to Your higher Being.
Our Happyness, Joy and Thankfulness are  the Holiness.
These particles of light fly by our chakras cord which starts above the crown chakra.
These luminous chakras cord connects us with our higher beings who became our guide and advisors. The very close friends, family.
And it is  higher then 30th focus

I am happy with You !

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Reply #22 - Dec 14th, 2011 at 11:13am
 
Olinerum,
In one short paragraph you describe the cord and its relation to the centres, and how thankfulness works upon it, and connects between our higher and lower being, and you do so clearer than many yoga writers and teachers who profess to know such things. It is my pleasure to have met you on this forum. I would like to shake your hand but my arm is too short to reach that far, besides we can do better than that. The man with short dark hair and mustache is familiar, but I don't know about the golden coat. A scruffy old coat is more like it  Wink   

From inside the crown centre, in meditative prayer, I have looked up the inside of the cord, up to my higher self, and seen the cord's layers and different energies. And have come to see how it's lower end becomes and is myself through which the energies of the centres circulate through it lengthwise and across-wise with different energies going here and there and doing their different things, and the respective bodies connected with it through their centres. The outer layer ceases at the crown, though it can be continued through to the head centre by us practicing being externally what we learnt internally through prayer/meditation. The inner layer which carries life and vitality but not head stuff continues through to the base and brings back information from the centres. It is a wonder of wonders how it all works, like a machine with so many intricacies and so perfect in its function. I am both thankful and sad that I can see it. Thankful to God for its existence; and sad that so few of my fellow men and women know of it. So many talk about the cord and do not realise they are the cord. They are the staff of God; they are Jacob's Ladder.

The writer of the 23rd Psalm knew of the cord and its layers, and its relation to the centres and the different bodies, and its connection to the higher and lower selves. The Psalm describes the soul and it's mechanism in symbolic form so those who cannot see the soul might come to sense the soul, and come to understand its workings and tune themselves with it. The 23rd is not only a psalm of worship, but also a psalm of beautiful hidden truth.      
 
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Reply #23 - Dec 14th, 2011 at 1:27pm
 
"From inside the crown centre, in meditative prayer, I have looked up the inside of the cord, up to my higher self, and seen the cord's layers and different energies."

Crossbow, have you seen other cords leading up to your higher self? Have you been within, or had other experiences with the disk you care to mention?
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Reply #24 - Dec 15th, 2011 at 9:41am
 
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The human is multidimensional mechanizm, so beatiful that takes my breath away.
I saw our mechanisms in many ways, in many dimensions and subdimensions but my visions, knowledge is only a small part of the great secret which I can only guess.
Perfection of it and loveliness is the work of the Creator - the God.

Above the crown chakra is the 8th chakra and it starts the cord of similary looking spheres - I flew up in very high dimensions but I didn't see where this cord is ending.
It just simply disappears in the brightness so great that can't see there anything.
I am  too weak, too small.

Higher chakras  look like shining lamps of sun. Their surface glitters like made of crystals.
I see that energy we are sending, human energy flows upward inside the chakras, to Beings. 
Energy transferred from Beings, Gods comes down outside the chakras, on luminous cord.
The luminous energy wraps and purifies the chakras all the time. Energy is in constant motion.

This  seeing comes from higher level - dimension.

Visions from lower dimensions are similar but there is no so much light and chakras close to human body are more colored - for example diamond blue or golden.

This light around the higher chakras cord is so much gently and powerful that made us the gods on Earth.
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Reply #25 - Dec 15th, 2011 at 11:37am
 
Volu wrote on Dec 14th, 2011 at 1:27pm:
"From inside the crown centre, in meditative prayer, I have looked up the inside of the cord, up to my higher self, and seen the cord's layers and different energies."

Crossbow, have you seen other cords leading up to your higher self? Have you been within, or had other experiences with the disk you care to mention?

Hi Volu,
Yes I have seen other cords, not to my own higher self, but seen many higher selves / gods with many cords coming down to Earth. Although I have not seen other cords to my own higher self I have been informed of other "extensions", and had some of how these work explained to me. I have however, seen the "gods" of many people, groups, races, countries, even towns, all with a cord coming from them, like a laser beam of communicative energy, but it has a structure - energy and structure combined. As said, I have observed some of its structure, but it is complex thing. This many gods/higher selves is hard to understand, because there are multiple gods yet One God, because every person, every group, race, country, has a god, but at the same time there is only One God. It sounds contradictory, it has to do with everything being relative. It is also to do with us being only a part of our self - not all of our self is in the body. It is important for our soul development that we worship only One God, regardless of there being many apparent gods, for they only seem like gods. I don't know if this makes sense; I am writing in quick time, which I shouldn't do.

I am not sure what you mean by "disk" - I see others use the word too. 
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Reply #26 - Dec 15th, 2011 at 1:43pm
 
Thanks for writing about your experiences, Crossbow.

God, lords, jesus, crucifixes and worship have taken a long everlasting hike out of my life. Each to his own.

Disk/i-there/higher self/greater self. Some see them as discs, some like orbs, and others like oval shaped beings mirrored in the shape an open eye.
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Volu wrote on Dec 15th, 2011 at 1:43pm:
Thanks for writing about your experiences, Crossbow.

God, lords, jesus, crucifixes and worship have taken a long everlasting hike out of my life. Each to his own.

Disk/i-there/higher self/greater self. Some see them as discs, some like orbs, and others like oval shaped beings mirrored in the shape an open eye.

You're welcome Volu. In the past I had a blanket rule of silence. Now I am experimenting with speaking and writing about such things. I am learning some things can be said; others are best kept unsaid, but I find sensing the difference is not always easy. I am hoping to clarify some guidelines to assist me with that.

Re. Religion. Yes, I can understand your turning away from such concepts. All the religions have had their failings, their up-sides and down-sides. Like all medicine has side effects. As long as our heart is warm, our mind is honest, our thoughts, words and actions good and right and helpful to others, then perhaps we don't require religion. Getting to that stage from a basic self-centred short-sighted nature requires many lives of discipline though, and guidelines - and with large groups (many millions )and a highly pitch objective (far ahead of where the group is and in shortest possible time) then the guidelines must be fairly rigid. I suppose it sounds contradictory for someone who claims to leave the body, have second sight, remember dozens of past lives, talk of multiple dimensions and mystic things, loves the sciences, to also claim religions are beneficial institutions, even in their crude and fundamental ways, and even encourage others with their religion. I see religion as suitable to assist people during a given time, place, and stage of their development, and to suit their culture and intelligence too. Its in the relevance of the application. Some religions are more long standing and widely suited. Others are more temporary and serve as a specific patch up for a while. Conflict within them and between them is inevitable, anticipated and allowed for. But most religions run their course and come to the end of their usefulness, and are then overhauled or replaced by a successive social and spiritual discipline, usually built upon its predecessor. 

Have you thought of a religion/discipline/code of worshiping only Truth, exercising Love and strength, and doing best by others?

Disks. I have not seen disks as such amongst the "higher selves", only membranes/barriers/interfaces/disk type friction surfaces (hard to explain) of different types within the centres, like energetic interfaces between one dimension and another. Also similar things along the spine, in the soul, extending out and down into the face, and some externalising as the facial bones, spinal disks and other body parts. But there is so much more to see than I have seen. I have been driven for many years by an almost manic desire to see, experience/know the truth for myself. But now that drive is settling down and I only want to do what's good and right in my life. Enough exploring, now attend to what needs doing around me.

Thank you for your interest Volu. I hope your curiosity gets satisfied and your soul fulfilled in a good and wholesome way.

I would be interested to read some of your story. Privately if you prefer. Like why did religion walk out of your life? What is your view now.

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Reply #28 - Dec 16th, 2011 at 2:40pm
 
Crossbow

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I am not sure what you mean by "disk" - I see others use the word too.


Am I to understand that you have not read anything by Bruce Moen?

How did you end up here anyway?

Here's from the page on FAQ's

http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/answers3.html#Is%20there%20a%20state/region

look for the question

"Is there a state/region beyond Focus 27 where you lose your personal identity and merge with the essence of the Supreme Being/Creator/Cosmic Source/God?"

almost halfway down the page.
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Reply #29 - Dec 16th, 2011 at 6:13pm
 
Crossbow,
"In the past I had a blanket rule of silence. Now I am experimenting with speaking and writing about such things. I am learning some things can be said; others are best kept unsaid, but I find sensing the difference is not always easy. I am hoping to clarify some guidelines to assist me with that."

I can relate to this, and also looking for the sweet spot(s).

Maybe you can breathe life into your idea about speaking and writing by making your own thread on the board. The writing of YOUR experiences can be halted by discussions but if the intention is stated it could work out. The work could morph into something else like an own blog, book or whatever, and you would then already have put some of all those words down and should be easy to build upon, edit and such.

"[...]I see religion as suitable to assist people during a given time, place, and stage of their development, and to suit their culture and intelligence too.[...]"

Stepping stones applicable to the different levels and paths we're on, and though some don't need something (anymore), others do. I've known and felt this for a while but another matter to demonstrate and put the the knowledge into practise.

"Have you thought of a religion/discipline/code of worshiping only Truth, exercising Love and strength, and doing best by others?"

Love, too soft and doing best for others to the point of losing the self has been easy, and so cultivating strength has been a focus for quite a while. Volu as a nickname is simply short for volume. Worshiping becomes too submissive compared to appreciation. Truth and truths change as the path unfolds.

"Thank you for your interest Volu. I hope your curiosity gets satisfied and your soul fulfilled in a good and wholesome way."

The interest is there because I've found what you write to be interesting, not trying to be nice for the sake of being nice though not really wanting to be nice but ok since one's supposed to be nice involved. Smiley Likewise to you.

"I would be interested to read some of your story. Privately if you prefer. Like why did religion walk out of your life? What is your view now."

Keeping it simple and short, I walked out on religion and the higher self appeared. A lot of super interesting and mind blowing information came about, and also information about many aspects of life on earth that has been harder to deal with but possible due to previous experiences. Still trying to process everything and at the same time learn more. My view now is to deal with the issues I already know about and be ready for new ones - and maintain, renew, discontinue and make new friendships.
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