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Re: Affirmations for Spiritual Awakening
Reply #30 - Nov 23rd, 2011 at 12:51am
 
Dude said: "Believe it or not, this topic was not lead into a discussion on the validity of affirmations on other forums"

Recoverer responds: "Well, I'm glad I could be original. Smiley Imagine that, a person who is willing to question the substantiality of affirmations.
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Reply #31 - Nov 23rd, 2011 at 1:20am
 
It is important to remember that when it comes to spiritual growth we aren't robots that can be programmed. True knowledge is so much deeper than programming ourselves.

True knowledge and psychological conditioning is not the same thing.

If it is simply a matter of programming our minds, then perhaps we should throw our hearts out the window. What I've learned through my heart is so much more important that repeating words.

I have to say that it is a bit upsetting that people aren't acknowledging how important experience is, and that repeated thoughts aren't the same thing.

Some will say they are just stating intent, but how does listening to a repetitious tape relate to experience?

I don't care about testimonies. Plenty of cult-members have given testimonies. My own experience and intuition means much more to me than testimonies. Perhaps people make a mistake when they rely on testimonies rather than looking deep within.
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Reply #32 - Nov 23rd, 2011 at 2:35am
 
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I have to say that it is a bit upsetting that people aren't acknowledging how important experience is, and that repeated thoughts aren't the same thing.

Some will say they are just stating intent, but how does listening to a repetitious tape relate to experience?


We aren't listening to a tape.  We are listening to an mp3 on our iPhone!  Duh!   Grin


But seriously.  This is how affirmations relate to experience:  Say you want to have an experience of some form of personal growth.  But maybe you entertain certain programmed notions that prevent this growth from occurring.  What do you do?  You get to the root of the problem, the program, and you change it.  Affirmations are a tool which allows this to occur. 

The practice of repeating statements until they are absorbed by the subconscious mind is not the only way for the program to be rewritten, but it does work.  Either way, affirmations of some kind will have to be used to change the program, which is based in affirmations(thoughts).  You cannot have an experience if you entertain affirmations which do not allow it.  If the affirmation one uses to induce growth is not based in experience because the old program has blocked that experience from occurring, the new program will allow for the experience to take place, and then you will have your experience. 

Say a person has entertained affirmations of hatred his whole life.  He decides to change, and starts using affirmations of love instead.  Soon the entire way he thinks is radically changed and he can now experience the love he has brought to himself through his thoughts. 

I will add that I do believe it is important to get to the root of the problem as deeply as possible, and so ideally affirmations will be done for specific past events which caused the initiation and fortification of the false belief system. 

I will also add that an understanding to back the affirmations is even more helpful, but still unnecessary for the reasons I have stated in my previous posts.   

I will add one more thing, that an understanding alone will not necessarily facilitate change, especially if the false belief system is deeply routed in the subconscious.  The mental work may still need to be done to rewrite the false programming, which is why someone can know one thing and yet think and do things which are completely in opposition to it.

But since you are so against them!  Why don't you present a practical way that one can facilitate this personal growth without the use of affirmations!?  Don't knock down a faulty foundation if you're not going to rebuild it!  (Of course, in this case the foundation seems to be quite sturdy)  Wink

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Imagine that, a person who is willing to question the substantiality of affirmations.


Not too difficult to imagine actually, especially since the person has no substantial experience with them.
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