...so it seems that everything is completely real, more or less so.

Have you read Bob Monroe's books? Don't know in which it was, maybe the 2nd, where he described an episode with a helper guide friend, Bob Monroe was flying a small airplane, his friend sitting in the copilot seat, and he had an appointment or date somewhere and was late and thought of how to manage to arrive on time, and although it was not in "real physical life", it appeared so perfectly real like it was not possible to distiguish from "real physical life" reality.

This description points to the possibility that all of our "physical world" may well be made up in the same way, so "real" that it is not possible to distinguish it from "really real".
Maybe "reality" is always subjective, never objective, so everything that you experience as your personal experience is real for you only.

I feel certain that this "physical reality" is a confined dream reality and relatively much less real than the "higher-order reality" which is not bound by "physical reality" constraints, I mean the artificial limitations of personal individual consciousness and compliance (or submission?) to commonly accepted reality paradigms.

There are so many obvious indications for this, for example the far too many "coincidences" here that contradict all mathematical probability reasoning. (I often wondered why no one takes notice of that, but maybe it is just like in a "night sleep dream" when all the time so unlikely things happen, and still one does not notice how impossible these things are).

recoverer wrote on Oct 28^th, 2011 at 8:00pm:

Oliver:

I've had lucid dreams where I was conscious of the fact that I was having such a dream and I made a point to notice how real everything seemed. Some of these dreams would end up so I'd find myself in a precarious situation such as hanging on to the edge of cliff. I'd find my way out of such a situation by willing myself awake.

I believe my higher self created these experiences with the purpose of getting me to do the same for this World. But to what degree can this be done? When an alarm clock goes off I'll wake up from an asleep dream, but no matter how loud a clock rings I won't wake up from this waking-state World.

I believe this World is intentionally set up so we can't wake up from it in the same way that we wake up from an asleep dream. This physical World wouldn't serve its purpose if we wake up from it too soon.

Also, when it comes to asleep dreams--anyway the ones that are created by my higher self--for the most part my higher self controls what takes place. My contribution has to do with how I respond to the situations I find myself in.  If I have it within me to respond to a situation in a loving way, then my higher self won't be able to get me to respond in a non-loving way.

This World on the other hand, even though higher levels of being created the background, people determine how circumstances play out and affect each other accordingly.

With the lucid dreams I described above, perhaph my higher self was trying to get me to wake up not to an extent where I no longer experience this World, but to an extent that determines where I place importance. For example, there is a lady at my work who seems to be interested in me and I like her, but I believe it would be a mistake for us to get involved with each other because there is spirit work I am involved with that couldn't take place if we hung out with each other.

Another example, I make a living as a Paralegal in the legal department of a major financial corporation. I spend lots of time and effort doing work that I believe accomplishes nothing other than provide me with a paycheck. Perhaps if I woke up a little more I'd forget about financial security, quit my job and do something more productive.

Another way to consider the matter is that this World is created with energy just as spirit realms are created with energy (albeit, in  diffferent ways). Since energy comes from the Source of everything, perhaps this energy is in someway real during any particular manifestation, even if such manifested energy could've been used in other ways. I believe it is also important to factor in what souls experience while incarnated in a place such as this World.

Yes, the all powerful paycheck does have its importance here for sure. My job is rather mundane, but it is part of a grand creative process in a theater, but I am in the box office 90% of the time. When I feel good I am reasonably happy even with my work but when I feel depressed I can feel like I'm throwing my work time down the drain.

I hope the book writing goes well for you Albert for you certainly have something viable to say

Thank you Beau:

Since I wrote about small niche subjects I'd be surprised if the books I wrote sell real well.

Beau wrote on Oct 30^th, 2011 at 5:01am:

...no other Techno Types here? (-;

We can talk about how many conscious people are required to screw in a light bulb or how many spirits will light the bulb... (-; well I guess we stay here in the darkness of night if we don't change the direction or shape of this conversation.

I perceive the technology as an extension of life, because either there is only life and consciousness yet on various levels of complexity, or - there is only dead matter and mechanical rules also on various levels of interrelated complexity. Both terms - living/conscious and dead/mechanical - are the concepts of human mind (artificial intelligence does not bothers with such questions).

Having a clear connection between organic conscious life and less organic (and less organized than sophisticated living systems) technology - let focus on making the bulb lighting for real. Nothing will change if we stay on pushing that "the reality is merely an illusion". Illusion and non-illusion are also only a concepts of human mind. But even so called illusion - requires the energy and infrastructure to stay in existence and in coherence, and these are the facts we deal with.

Do we live in mechanical system, that can be changed? Do we live in "greater city", in which we must have solid arguments to convince somebody to something? How can we change the system or how we can encourage higher intelligences (system takecarers) to make new passages for us? If something works or does not works, or works only sometimes - what are the models and options? What we missed (or forgot about) in these predictabilities?

(-;

Hi all,
I feel like a raw recruit here, although I have never had any of the experiences you all describe I do wonder.........
I have and do find myself having conversations with myself which isn't what you would normally admit to. But since I came across material like Bruce has written and others particulalry Fred Myers I have noticed that some of my conversations seem to contain stuff I didn't really say, so the idea thay maybe someone else said it now appears to be a possibility.
I have always considered reality to be the real world that I percieve which to me includes what I have read about the afterlife. The notion of a physical world and a separate non-physical or spirit world including the afterlife has always seemed to be a false separation due to a lack of knowledge/understanding of the so called non-physical, electric and magnetic fields where once non-physical, just a matter of continuing research and extending our understanding.
I tend to not believe nowadays, I use a system of probable credibiity which can and does change for any particular thing I come across which could or could not be true but all things are real, I may not know how to see them yet but I will continue to try.

an interesting movie you sholud see (-;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaUzu-iksi8

virtuality of internet is very similar to non-physicality of consciousness. implications?

(-:

That was my first thought too. But comparing the "weight of internet" to the "weight of soul" - it is very inspiring to notice - how much more "software activity" (storage, networking, data flow) has one single human being within - than the whole internet. It also says something about density ratio between physical reality and nonphysical, subtle ones. When you listen to folks like Bashar or Dunvalo Melchizedek - you always hear, that we don't realize of our true potential. Now you can imagine how much it is to be a "simple human" (-;