heisenberg69 wrote on Oct 26^th, 2011 at 5:27am:


  Sure, but in cases like the above, often such challenge is specifically chosen for consciousness growth.  Especially by and through our closer relationships with others.

  Sometimes involvement with misleading sources is also sometimes chosen for purposes of consciousness growth, but I am also aware that sometimes it's just a consequence of being involved with a world/dimension like this, and I know both in my own experience and tuning into others, our nonphysical guidance teams are not so blase about us getting involved with these limiting sources. 

  However, it seems, few of us truly listen in a more deep and consistent manner, to those more purely creative levels of being.  If there were more who did, both more individuals would be more "enLightened" and the world as a whole would not be quite so imbalanced.  Obviously, not enough of us are listening and paying attention enough.  It's partly because of the nature of this dimension, there's A LOT of static built up here.

  Taking the "metaperspective" is relatively true, of course, and in the longest term, most ultimate perspective, everything will probably work out for the best (but not without effort on our parts!).

  Yet, from my experience and communications with differing levels of guidance--especially with the most expanded levels of same, i'm in fundamental disagreement with attitudes about consciousness growth as Bruce Moen expressed. 

   Those that I've contacted who are intune with the most purely creative and expanded levels of consciousness are not blase and passive about this whole process of consciousness growth.  There is an odd admixture of both a detachment, and yet a very real concern and care with the state of this world, and with many individual consciousnesses. 

  They seem to take and work towards the "sooner is better than later" approach, but at the same time are very patient and extremely understanding when we don't choose or want similar. 

  The reason why, relates what I said in my reply to Bruce's quote.  It's about the healing of the Whole.  This is very important, it's the most important thing there is universally and that is The Truth, in all capital and bold letters. 

Since these consciousnesses are far more intune than myself, I will err on the side of their perspectives rather than the limited perspectives and perceptions of my own, and of most around me in this world. 

  Meanwhile, I will likewise try to be patient and very understanding of both my lack of choosing sooner than later, and others, and yet be concerned and active in trying to affect positive change. 

  It's a delicate balance.  More nonphysically focused "guides" or helpers, or whatever you want to call them, tend to do a much better job at this and maintaining this all important, delicate balance than most of us who are more physically focused.  It's easier for them, there is less baggage and distortion effect when one is not so intensely involved in with the physical focus.

  Albert is a helper that came in from a very expanded and PUL attuned dimension and specifically came as a messenger, but he is intensely involved with the physical, and it's harder for him to achieve and maintain that all important balance.   But I'm grateful he chose to come here, because eventually, he will be one who will help facilitate much positive change for this world. 

  I don't base this on personal opinions, feelings, or inclinations, or intellectual thoughts, etc. but on guidance messages i've received.  There was a time when we didn't particularly get along on a more personal level.

  I'm not  exactly comparing the two btw, but there were many who bashed Yeshua in his day, many who put him down, called him names, said he was ignorant, unwise, crazy, etc. and no doubt some considered him an overly pushy, upstart young man.   I would have been one who defended him then.

  If one has plumbed their shadow side and has really started to work out the kinks in same, and one is really starting to attune to PUL in a consistent manner, etc., then the opinions, thoughts, etc.  of others will not personally bother one, even if such people are saying things as "the truth" or not (which btw, Yeshua often times did, for he was fully intune with it).  One personally cares less about what and how others say things to self or those close to self.

Meanwhile, there is much to be gained in the saying of "fake it till you make it."

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I think its good that you know who you are and what you're about and that there are people such as yourself and Recoverer willing to help people 'get up to speed' as it were.The one point I would make is that 'enLightenment' can't be foisted on people..One of the previous posters made the comment (from memory) that if they could make people attuned to PUL, hang niceties/PC they would.To my way of thinking that would defeat the object; indeed , logically, if it could be done that way Higher Sources or beings would have made us all enLightened a long time ago !

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  I completely agree with you David.  However, i fail to see how impersonally stating a perspective different than anothers, or the popular or consensus opinion is even remotely akin to trying to foist enlightenment on others?  This is EXACTLY what our "guides" do with us daily (try to impersonally help us see things in a different light or different way)--it's just a more subtle process with them because for most it's harder to fully tune in and "hear" them and they have a wider range and depth of "tricks" to do this.   On forums like this, we have these limited, clumsy words.

  Here's something I've found interesting about the person I was talking about before, yes he's disagreed with people on certain issues before (perhaps too much so at times) , but i've rarely, if ever, seen him get personal and negative to others, even when (or especially when) others did not show him the same impersonal courtesy. 

  He has almost always responded in an even, kind, impersonal manner and kept it about the idea, topic, or concept at hand.  That is something I've always admired about said person, especially since i've observed it consistently over some 6 yrs.

   Yeshua use to say you would know the real teachers or helpers by their fruits.  I would update the saying a bit to fit our modern world, and add onto that, "and on forums, by how they react to those who disagree with them and especially to those who sling personal insults, try to belittle, minimize, etc them."

  Here's the rub though, real teachers, especially the most intune/mature ones, are rarely ever popular, well liked or well received during their actual times in the Earth.  Why, because there is a greater differential between their frequencies and the majority of those around them, and Like ever attracts, begets, and likes Like, and unlike on the deeper mental and spiritual levels tends to repel, dislike, etc unlike especially the slower frequencies in relation to the fast frequencies (the more differential involved, the more intense the dislike). 

  I once had a dream wherein "Bruce Moen" told me, "go find (a certain person), he is more intune than i."  By intune, my dream guidance meant more spiritually mature, aware, and balanced.  My "Disk" or guidance used the symbol of Bruce Moen because i've long thought he was a pretty intune guy (somewhat unusually so, roughly about a 1 in a 700, 000 using Monroe's terms  and expression )   A little bit of a cheeky joke that last one.

 

I think it applies universally. Someone's guide will always be their own opinion. That is my opinion. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have guides for ourselves, but I feel invoking my guide "for the benefit" of others is a little presumptuous. But I realize that others feel differently and I have no problem with that as long as they don't attempt to constrain me based on what I MIGHT consider their biased guidance.

Beau wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 12:38pm:


  By your standards and definitions, that dude Jesus must have been one of the most presumptuous and arrogant people around.  After all, he was often telling people that they needed to change their beliefs and ways.       Sermon on the Mount, Oh Lordy.   

  Man, you just can't win in this Earth with humans can you.  Heck, if your truth speaking is potent enough, you just might get strung up by the more "enlightened" ones out there. 

    The funny thing about the shadow is that if you make friends with and accept a part of you that either you or society (or the majority) deems distasteful, unwanted, destructive, or what not, then often you tend to express that part of you in more helpful, less destructive ways, and the less you tend to label and judge others for the same activity. 

  Which is why i never get upset about others preaching to me or ever label another one of those nasty "preacher" labels, however subtly or not so.  It's the people who really dislike it, label others, etc. who often most need to examine and make peace with their own shadow. 

  Anyways, it's been real, and fun, but it's time to go back to silent, monk mode.  After all, I don't want to be transforming too many beliefs too  fast, that can cause spontaneous combustion in some folks and we don't want that! 

Ever with love and humor. 

recoverer wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 12:44pm:


  Not right off hand, but if you go to the google books site which has his book for free, you can type in "Big Cheese" and you will get all the references to same, highlighted. 

  Apparently, according to T.C. at least, the Big Cheese even has the "authority" to um...recycle those consciousnesses who just keep on keeping on the mean, selfish or extremely "high entropy" side, but he does add that such action has been extremely rare.

I you can't see that I am pointing something out to you, Justin. It's no problem. I understand that you are on a mission from God in your own way just as I am, sort of. I called you out because you chose to play the Jesus card. What you said was just as insulting. It did seem that you were saying that Jesus was not presumptuous in an off handed way. I don't know what Jesus was actually like, but my wisdom tells me that the bible does not do him justice.

To write what we write to each other we must both find each others views or at least some statements offensive. I don't mean it against you personally. I just disagree with you, because I don't trust your guidance. I trust mine. No worries though, for if you stated something I agreed with, as you have done in the past, I would be right there with you.

Sorry if you found what I said offensive or insulting, but I guess if you did then I made my point since I don't think of him as the "teacher of teachers", but perhaps a teacher of students.