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Life is so different now
Oct 19th, 2011 at 12:06pm
 
To All,

Recently a friend's brother died and the manner of his death required immediate feedback on his situation after death.  I had the privilege of working with another dear friend as her "wing-man" on daily trips to check on the deceased brother. 

I am in awe of the clarity of vision perceived by this woman, her name is Carolene Heart.  She was added to my floating menu bar list as a highly recommended resource not  so long ago.

At first the brother was unreachable, that lasted about  a week.  I perceived him in a white, thick cotton candy, cocoon.  With other beings around him.  I have seen these cocoons before, they are my Interpreter's nearest similar thing to being isolated in PUL.  Nothing but love gets in.  Carolene saw him in a white light swirling around him with other beings.  She had a lot more detail as well as conversations with the beings.  She couldn't get contact directly with him either, at first.

We both talked about the same aspect of him that separated at death and was not inside to cocoon with him.  We got the lesson from Helpers that there are life review reasons why traumatic deaths can need temporary separation from some of their aspects and isolation in PUL.  He has to be able to start accepting and forgiving  himself before his ready to come out of the cocoon.

When he started to regain conscious contact outside the cocoon Helpers were there to assist him in regaining more.  Carolene got way more detail of the same story.

He attended a portion of the ceremony held for friends and family here in Dunedin.  There was a part of the ceremony where people shared stories of experiences with the brother during his physical life.  There was lots of laughing and it did the brother good to feel the happiness of the old times together with friends and family.

As it stands now the brother is improving.  Able to accept more of himself as he re-lives the  pain he caused others in their experiences with him when he was physically alive.

He still has a way to go to recover from his life decisions and his death.

We all keep sending PUL and intending the best outcome for all.

Such is my life, so different from lots of other people .  For me the experience of some one else's death is just like turning a page in a novel.  The sory goes on.  We don't escape the fate we make for ourselves with every decision we make from moment to moment.   Both in this world we call physical and the other worlds beyond there we contiinue to exist, making more decisions and more fate for ourselves. 

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Reply #1 - Oct 19th, 2011 at 12:53pm
 
Thanks for sharing this Bruce.  It's touching to hear this story, inspiring to learn from, and nice too to get a reminder of the work you do and how it works out there on the other side. 

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Reply #2 - Oct 19th, 2011 at 7:30pm
 
Thank you, Bruce.

I see that there is still some need to explore the nature of PUL (well, the simpliest things can be the most difficult ones) and of aspects of a person, and how and if our view of a "person" or "soul" has to be altered by experiences just like you've shared.

That everything we do will have consequences, and we can't escape these, is a bit frightening to me (although I experience this every day Smiley ). Exactly around this... well,  kind of burden, my thoughts revolve during the last years, as some traditional schools say for some there is a point reachable where all of their past just falls off, and aren't any longer burdened by their past. It's what's called "enlightenment" or so. I can't help myself, but in my view, after having many retrieval-experiences, there must be a point beyond which we (or in whatever form, maybe without "I", "here", "me") are not any longer attached to the chain of our personal lives.

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Reply #3 - Oct 19th, 2011 at 9:16pm
 
Spooky,

spooky2 wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 7:30pm:
as some traditional schools say for some there is a point reachable where all of their past just falls off, and aren't any longer burdened by their past. It's what's called "enlightenment" or so. I can't help myself, but in my view, after having many retrieval-experiences, there must be a point beyond which we (or in whatever form, maybe without "I", "here", "me") are not any longer attached to the chain of our personal lives.


I agree, there is a point when the effects of our physical lives drop away and we enter a new way of being.  Some call that way enlightenment.  I feel it is just part of the natural progression of learning to experience and express PUL to an ever greater degree.

Probably doesn't matter what we call it.  Probably doesn't matter how long it takes us.  As eternal beings we only have forever to work on it and whatever comes after enlightenment.

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Reply #4 - Oct 19th, 2011 at 10:12pm
 
Wonderful post, and important verifications regarding the cocoon of PUL encasing the troubled person.  Thank you Bruce. 

I sometimes wonder if there is much difference between remote viewing of the living, and the seeking out of the recently deceased.  From my view, it is probing of a consciousness, either in the physical plane or in a focus level.  So the method is not so different. 

Thank you, Bruce.

As to karma and freeing yourself from its effects, I have thought long and hard about this.  I believe we do reach this state, when we lose our ego-based way of thinking and acting, choosing to act out of love instead.  We are bound to karma when we are ego- based (when we find ourselves at the polar end of an opposing view), we are freed when we are not (when we can see from another's view).  This is not to say that we must dissolve our identity.  From my perspective, instead it means that we rid ourselves of the false belief systems that isolate us into discreet physical bodies, so lonely, vulnerable, and seemingly separate from the universe. 

Part of transcending karma must include forgiveness.  Forgiving others for any perceived wrongs, and forgiving ourselves.  Forgiveness is a sign of strength and enlightenment.

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Reply #5 - Oct 19th, 2011 at 10:55pm
 
Thanks Bruce for the great story - love reading stories like this. It's through stories like yours and other's that we grown in confidence with our experiences with retrievals etc.

I still struggle with confidence, but i persist anyway because i want to retreive for the right reasons - compassion. If i was in the same situation (hopefully not)  i'd like someone to come and help me.

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Reply #6 - Oct 19th, 2011 at 10:59pm
 
Josh Langley wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 10:55pm:
Thanks Bruce for the great story - love reading stories like this. It's through stories like yours and other's that we grown in confidence with our experiences with retrievals etc.

I still struggle with confidence, but i persist anyway because i want to retreive for the right reasons - compassion. If i was in the same situation (hopefully not)  i'd like someone to come and help me.

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Yes!  I completely agree with this.  This thought has passed my mind many times!

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Reply #7 - Oct 20th, 2011 at 12:26am
 
Bruce Moen wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 12:06pm:
... Such is my life, so different from lots of other people. ... 

Bruce,

Have you ever struggled coming to terms with being so different from others; living half in one world half in another; being able to see behind the scenes while others can't; unable to reveal to others your true self and what you do and what you see; having to carry it about as a secret ?

If you have struggled in this way, and if you have made some progress with it, then I would appreciate hearing how you progressed, what efforts have helped you.

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Reply #8 - Oct 20th, 2011 at 1:02pm
 
It may be true that our souls eventually reach the point where we let go of all of the false ways we define ourselves; however, I have found that pretty much "all" of the people who claim to be enlightened aren't the transcendent masters they claim to be.

My feeling is that anybody who truly understood what spiritual growth is about  wouldn't lable himself as being "enlightened" because he wouldn't want to connect himself to the tremendous extent the term has been misapplied. Anybody who has an understanding of what transcendence is really about wouldn't find it necessary to speak of the ego in the way so-called enlightened people tend to speak of it.

In a way, this enlightenment-no ego business isn't any different than any other belief system. As long as a person clings to it they can't see beyond it. Nonduality is a form of bondage just as fundamentalist Christianity is a form of bondage.

It is better that a person accepts the fact that like it or not he is going to have to deal with his psychological issues. They aren't going to all drop away just like that. Eckart Tolle is a person who  claims that all of his tendencies dropped away just like that. The below person who knows him believes differently.

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,73107,page=1

It is important to remember that the enlightment/no ego way of thinking was created by people who set things up so people put them on a pedestal and handed them the key to their spiritual welfare. A responsible and honest person would never set himself up in such a way.

spooky2 wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 7:30pm:
Thank you, Bruce.

I see that there is still some need to explore the nature of PUL (well, the simpliest things can be the most difficult ones) and of aspects of a person, and how and if our view of a "person" or "soul" has to be altered by experiences just like you've shared.

That everything we do will have consequences, and we can't escape these, is a bit frightening to me (although I experience this every day Smiley ). Exactly around this... well,  kind of burden, my thoughts revolve during the last years, as some traditional schools say for some there is a point reachable where all of their past just falls off, and aren't any longer burdened by their past. It's what's called "enlightenment" or so. I can't help myself, but in my view, after having many retrieval-experiences, there must be a point beyond which we (or in whatever form, maybe without "I", "here", "me") are not any longer attached to the chain of our personal lives.

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Reply #9 - Oct 20th, 2011 at 1:33pm
 
Doc:

I believe there is a lot of truth to what you said.  The goal isn't to become non-existent egoless beings (whatever the heck that means). The goal is to move away from self-centerdness and live completely according to love.


DocM wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 10:12pm:
Wonderful post, and important verifications regarding the cocoon of PUL encasing the troubled person.  Thank you Bruce. 

I sometimes wonder if there is much difference between remote viewing of the living, and the seeking out of the recently deceased.  From my view, it is probing of a consciousness, either in the physical plane or in a focus level.  So the method is not so different. 

Thank you, Bruce.

As to karma and freeing yourself from its effects, I have thought long and hard about this.  I believe we do reach this state, when we lose our ego-based way of thinking and acting, choosing to act out of love instead.  We are bound to karma when we are ego- based (when we find ourselves at the polar end of an opposing view), we are freed when we are not (when we can see from another's view).  This is not to say that we must dissolve our identity.  From my perspective, instead it means that we rid ourselves of the false belief systems that isolate us into discreet physical bodies, so lonely, vulnerable, and seemingly separate from the universe. 

Part of transcending karma must include forgiveness.  Forgiving others for any perceived wrongs, and forgiving ourselves.  Forgiveness is a sign of strength and enlightenment.

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Reply #10 - Oct 20th, 2011 at 1:39pm
 
Related to what Crossbow wrote, yesterday I spoke to a coworker and the subject of Paula Abdul came up. He stated that she's nuts. I let him know that she sees ghosts. This added to his belief that she is nuts.

I then let him know that I communicate with spirits. I provided him with examples of when I received information from spirits that I didn't know about and was able to verify. I don't care if he thinks I'm nuts. Perhaps what I said will in some way help him.

I recently self-published two books and because of the first one my parents became aware of things about me that they weren't previously aware of. Some of it troubles them, but what can you do? Perhaps in order for the World to evolve people have to be willing to reveal what they know even if some people judge them to be nutcases.

crossbow wrote on Oct 20th, 2011 at 12:26am:
Bruce Moen wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 12:06pm:
... Such is my life, so different from lots of other people. ... 

Bruce,

Have you ever struggled coming to terms with being so different from others; living half in one world half in another; being able to see behind the scenes while others can't; unable to reveal to others your true self and what you do and what you see; having to carry it about as a secret ?

If you have struggled in this way, and if you have made some progress with it, then I would appreciate hearing how you progressed, what efforts have helped you.

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Reply #11 - Oct 20th, 2011 at 4:27pm
 
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DocM wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 10:12pm:
I sometimes wonder if there is much difference between remote viewing of the living, and the seeking out of the recently deceased.  From my view, it is probing of a consciousness, either in the physical plane or in a focus level.  So the method is not so different. 

I would agree.  In my view either one is just using the same  "nonphysical senses" to a specific area of consciousness into our awareness.

DocM wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 10:12pm:
As to karma . . .
This is not to say that we must dissolve our identity.  From my perspective, instead it means that we rid ourselves of the false belief systems that isolate us into discreet physical bodies, so lonely, vulnerable, and seemingly separate from the universe. 

I always had trouble with the concept of dissolving identity as a goal in the path to enlightenment.   Just never seemed right.  Now years later I see that my understanding was skewed badly by beliefs I held at the time.  Now I understand that as belief systems fall away I discover my identity encompasses far more than I realized before. 

A Japanese Buddhist during my last trip to Japan explained it to me this way:  Identity doesn't dissolve into nothingness, rather, it expands into No-Thing-Ness. 

DocM wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 10:12pm:
Part of transcending karma must include forgiveness.  Forgiving others for any perceived wrongs, and forgiving ourselves.

My experience suggests self acceptance, love and self forgiveness are at the root of making "progress" in life review issues.  And for me life review issues are the beginning of dealing with what others call karma.   

The deceased brother in my stating post was in horrendous emotion pain due to his manner of death and his inability to accept the pain had caused others.  It wasn't until soaking in the energy of the cocoon facilitated his feeling love again that he was able to begin to accept himself and love himself and begin to deal with his life view issues.

As an update on his condition the brother is now fairly conscious and with the assistance of Helpers releasing the "energies" of karma.

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Reply #12 - Oct 20th, 2011 at 6:05pm
 
Bruce said: "A Japanese Buddhist during my last trip to Japan explained it to me this way:  Identity doesn't dissolve into nothingness, rather, it expands into No-Thing-Ness."

Recoverer responds: "I figure it is a matter of being a being who is capable of great knowledge and love without being limited by the temporary identities that come into existence as the process of becoming wise and loving took place. Or in other words, curiosity gets defined in various ways as it seeks knowledge, but not indefinitely.  Wink

If "No-Thingness" applies to love, then perhaps it is an okay thing. How about the ability to enjoy a good joke? Is that a part of "No-thingness?" If not, then I don't know if "No-thingness" is for me.

An example of knowledge: a soul who has learned about the value of living according to love and therefore chooses to do so. Such a soul would be "much" more than a mere nothing..

There have been occasions when I've opened to love and my awareness was located in more places than where my body was located. This isn't precisely right, it is as if I become aware of what's going on for awareness other than my own parcel of awareness. It's like a vast field of awareness/being.

When this takes place it isn't necessary for me to dissapear completely.  In fact, the part of me that understands about the value of living according to love is a key part of what enables me to expand in such a way.

It is as if reality is like a bush, everything originates from its roots, and each branch and leaf is a part of the bush and the bush at the same time. It is a matter of how much of the bush a leaf decides to be aware of. In order for a leaf to be aware of the totality of the bush each root, branch and leaf has to exist. A bush doesn't lose it's essential nature simply because it has branches and leaves. It would be dualistic to believe that branches and leaves have to be negated before a bush can exist.

When it comes to what Buddhists believe,  they don't all believe precisely the same. If you read some of the old Buddhist texts that are attributed to the Buddha, they emphasize the "no-self" viewpoint to an extent that makes it seem as if branches and leaves are in some way a problem.

When two souls merge and share love with each other, each of them doesn't have to first dissapear.  If each of them dissapeared completely, how would they have a merger experience? It is more of a matter of each soul being aware of what's going on for two souls at the same time."

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Reply #13 - Oct 20th, 2011 at 10:17pm
 
I've heard Adyashati talk about no-thingness and i feel it could be more about an opening of awareness. Once we realise we're more than the physical and not solely focussed on the physical world, we're suddelnly aware of the 'no- thing ness'.

As Zen teachings say "enlightenment is nothing more than letting go of all opinions, even of the opinion that you exist". The 'you' they refer to is the name, the label of you, etc.

Your consciousness / awareness / essence is still there, but no longer has the need for a 'character' to play in order to learn.

But i could be really wrong and i guess that's just another opinion Smiley Ha ha... I love the exploration regardless.
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Reply #14 - Oct 21st, 2011 at 1:37am
 
This talk of "ego-loss" is really what I believe to be the most important aspect of one's spiritual path to becoming a God-realized being.  It is really nothing more than detaching from one's identification with not only all external forms around ones self, such as the body, possessions, past and present life situation, and the people and objects that are interacted with, but also the loss of identification with one's own thoughts and emotions.  It is this detachment that allows one to fully realize the true nature of their being.  That's not to say that these things are forgotten about or disregarded, but rather, they are seen for what they truly are without having to react to them out of ego-based fear.  They are simply allowed to be as they are in the moment, rather than being internally resisted, and accepted for what they are from a place of peace and love- our true state of being.

So many people today believe themselves to be what they have, what they look like, what they do, and what they think, when this is not the case, and only causes imbalance and fear.  By discovering the eternally valid aspect of ones self that underlies the illusions created in the world of mind and matter, one taps into their divine power, and by living in a state of unity with our divine essence, an infinitely vast pool of internal resources is made available whereby which one is constantly inspired to live in true peace, love, compassion, and grace.  This can only be done when one's awareness is moved out of the mind (that is to say, when one stops obsessively thinking about the past or future, as most do constantly), and into the present moment, which is where one's true self can be experienced underneath the veil of the mind.

I have already begun my journey to God-realization, and I urge all of you to join me.  I recently went through a situation which would leave any "normal" person absolutely devastated, a totally life changing event, something the consensus would perceive as being for the worse, and I have breezed past it with little to no negative thoughts or emotions and have come out on top.  I am nowhere near being God-realized (lol), but have just begun the process of total detachment and the process of attunement to my divine self.  The positive effects have been apparent from the beginning, and continue to manifest. 

This is what is going to create positive changes in this world.  We need to wake up to reality, to the true nature of our reality, and help ourselves so that we may in turn help others and help the world.  We need to learn how to live unadulterated by ego-based fears created by the false identification with the worlds of thought and form, and instead live in awareness of our divine being, allowing thoughts and forms to work for us rather than living our lives dictated by them. 

By the way, I highly recommend investigating the work of Eckhart Tolle, and really putting his teachings into practice. Smiley

   

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