yeah actually not as simple as it sounds.

When I was a kid, forgiveness meant in essence "Pretend this never happened", which usually gave the perpetrator, in these cases often a sibling, the opportunity to repeat the offense, and as I was the oldest , it was my fault if I didn't forgive.

Now this is a pretty messed up course of forgiveness, but I think this is taught in parts of the culture. I think it comes out of a misunderstanding of "Turn the other cheek". This has caused a lot of problems in my life, and it is only as an adult as I have seen others also struggle with this, that I see how warped this approach is, and that there are other ways to do this.

But I really think the "Turn the other cheek" message was warped on purpose as a means of crowd control, or using shaming exercises for crowd control.

No I wasn't asking that, Lucy.

But its an interesting concept...forgiveness causing damage to the forgiver.

Without forgiveness where would we be? I see it as a letting go, a kind of open-mindedness. It is keeping the door open, not slamming it shut on the future, out of fear. It is admitting that love is a possibility, even in the most painful or bizarre circumstances. It is letting go of your expectation that others or life will meet your expectations at all times. It is a realization of humility, a recognition of our shared humanity, in which none of us is perfect, and yet we are perfect, in some way which is not always obvious to the onlooker. It is a moving back, getting out of the way, for further love and knowledge to come into being. It is goodness and wisdom, and it is an inspiration to others who witness it.

Hello,

a dictionary definition of 'forgiveness' says something about absolution. That sounded so absolute that I am scared I cannot do it all at once for my biggies. Looking at the word 'forgiveness' itself,  it is like a riddle--
Forgivenss may stands 'for giving' PUL before any other steps. Maybe then no other steps are needed.
If need be perhaps PUL could be offered to the 'forgivee' for smaller transgressions, and working up to bigger ones.

It's a huge word!

Bets

Greetings

In my opinion the essence of life is Experience. We were born on Earth for That. We were born to taste Feelings, those good and bad, as well.
We are here to  know feelings in such deep material world.
Everythig can happens to us and everything is allowed. We just have to bear the consequences and this take a place in our 3rd dimension and higer, too.

Feelings and thoughts are living energy in higher dimensions, that one I know for sure.
Feelings create thoughts and the same thoughts create feelings.

Now, if I'm angry on somebody I produce this type of energy that makes the hole in my own energy and after that blocking device is created and is put there.

There are established appropriate spiritual service for standing and watching all the time over us.
Those are the rules I understood thanks to clairvoyance and researching.

These devices that I see as for example : brown balls, dark cones, pyramids, cylinders cause  state of despondency, sadness, even depression , even loss of interest in life.

To me We need to consciously forgive ourselves this bad behavior that led to the injury of another person, and forgive her.
For there to forgive you must understand the causes of the situation, to understand how she/he thinks (world in head) the other person. It's like come into her consciousness, to understand its truth.
There is no man on earth, which can not be understood when we recognize when we know his consciousness, his sadness...

Forgiveness is the key.

When We forgive then we create in the diamond gel that dissolves these devices set up for us. There is no the other power to remove them.
I don't know any other.

This diamond gel also strengthens the structure of our astral bodies, which We have probably eight. These astral bodies are just like light and thanks to them we can travel in the imagination.

Benefits is still much, much more

I know this is a silly thing to post but the thing that popped into my mind is the popular movie scene where they:

Say, "I forgive you."

.... and then they kill the person.

great said crossbow !

I noticed today that the higher the sun formed a circular aperture and shines on us as a reflector.
The core of this light is bright blue sinusoidal radius of even higher vibration.
Purifying the radius is to help us in forgiveness.
So let's go for a walk !

Crossbow,
Thank you for the thoughtful description of forgiveness in its limitless form. Your vision matches exactly with the Tibetan Buddhist teachings on compassion, (which I consider the super-set of forgiveness). Compassion is the unconditional understanding that we are all alike, despite our station in life or our physical or psychological condition.  It is not pity, which places the self above another, but the open acceptance of our complete "oneness" with each other, and the willingness to take on the pain and suffering of another. By imagining ourselves taking in (breathing in) the pain and suffering of another (or the whole world if you are strong enough), we indeed change the energy of both the recipient of our compassion and ourselves, and fill the world (breath out) with the glorious Love of God. I agree that this is the most powerful practice in our lives, and I consider myself an infant in its ways.

Peace,
Freeman

"forgiveness causing damage to the forgiver. "  ????

"like all tools, it can be misused. '

yes

although the hardest is self-forgiveness......

and then when you realize we are all inerconnected, somehow it is all self - forgiveness

so hard for me to accept...so painful...some how I did this to ...myself.

Hi Lucy.
It might help to simply accept / come to terms with what you have done and learnt, including all the unpleasant "mistakes", then look for the wisdom and growth you have acquired from having made those "errors". And compare that wisdom to the ignorance or lack of realisation that you had prior to the mistakes you made. Then be thankful for the wisdom and growth so that it settles in nicely. This way we learn to extract the lesson from our experiences, grow from errors, and even be thankful for wisdom gained from them. Even though we might not be pleased about how we gained that wisdom, we have minimised its negative side and maximised its positives. I find this works for me reasonably well. Of course we will always carry a certain amount of regret, even shame, but realising the wisdom gained makes the load a lot lighter and lessens the pain. Personally, I see shame as like growing pains in the soul. Although it hurts, I am glad its there because it makes my progress more visible to me. Someone once told me, "Life is a realisation process."

Bardo,
Personally, I endeavour to see everything from multiple sides - inside/outside, above and below, and all around it, including all its uses and misuses, and its errors of uses.

Compassion:
Years ago when I was going out of body a lot and attending a training course I was given all the relevant definitions to learn and study.  The definition I was given for compassion is that "Compassion is the desire to help others, for other's sake". I was taught that in a correct definition lies everything needed to be known about the subject. That's why I was given so many specific definitions to memorise and meditate upon and interconnect them with each other, like jigsaw pieces. Can you see the potential for error within the above definition of compassion?

Bare in mind that there there are two things, what we did and why we did it, and the why for which we did it, is what we really did. Also bare in mind the law of consequence (what some like to call karma) is not fooled; it has no problem differentiating between generosity and self interest, and it comes about accordingly.
 
Breath:
The potential for misuse of breath is massive and myriad. Breath is the handle by which we control and manipulate energy. Energy is everything, does everything, and can do anything. Within the total body (physical and astral bodies, and soul) are numerous energies, all doing their respective job. Everyone of these energies can be tapped into by our awareness of it, can be directed by will, shaped by thought, and controlled, manipulated, magnified, accelerated, intensified, etc, by the breath. Breath magnifies thought, intensifies will, and manipulates energy. Try willing and thinking yourself to "relax", and see how long it takes to relax and how relaxed you get. Then try centering yourself in the commander's seat in the head and combining the commandment to "relax" with the breath, and send the commandment out upon your breath to every cell of your body and mind. Compare not using breath with using it. You will see that breath magnifies will, thought and energy, and is the handle by which energy is controlled.

That exercise is a relatively harmless one; it has a wide margin of safety and error. There are many other exercises which carry real risk. For energy has its rightful channels and places to be, and its rightful pressures and intensities. Energies have their compatibilities and incompatibilities, their beneficial and detrimental reactions to each other. Once we start messing about with energy, thought and breath, we can make some very grave errors. I mean insanities of the worst kind, and mental, emotional and physical illnesses, from mild disruptions to severe damage to any and all our bodies, to the very foundational layer upon which all our mental and astral bodies are built, so that we may take many lifetimes of suffering to repair the damage. Think what happens to a motor car when the head gasket breaks and water (the energy of the cooling system) gets into the engine. The car overheats and the engine seizes up and is often destroyed. Or worse, when petrol (the liquid fire energy of the fuel lines) leaks onto the manifold. The car burns. Or the many problems that occur when the electrical system suffers short circuits, arcs and other malfunctions. The human mechanism and its energies are far more complex and potentially dangerous than the simple system of a motor car. There are energies, fires, waters, airs of every sort, all flowing here and there in their respective channels. In their wrong mix and wrong place they range from troublesome to deadly. There are separation "webs" and "membranes", designed to ensure our safety by keeping energies in their right mix and place, and these membranes are easily weakened and ruptured. And probably one of the worst and most common dangers are low level "incorrect" or partially correct energies that are of sufficiently low intensity to be managed and worked through successfully, but when amplified by bringing the breath into contact with them they become explosive, like turning kerosene into rocket fuel. The possibilities for harm are endless. It it takes exact precision and a lot of knowledge to correctly use the breath upon the energies of the human mechanism. There are millions of ways to do it wrong and cause disaster, and only one way to do it right - which is part of why I don't teach much of what I learnt on the subject. If left alone, without direct interference, and if we simply live a good and helpful life, cultivate a strong and kind character, and exercise virtues, then the human energies have their own self-correcting mechanism. For those who wish to accelerate their selves a little and intensify/magnify their efforts, then keep it broad and basic by adding breath to relaxation exercises, to prayer for others, to love and forgiveness to others, and practice being conscious of the breath will help. But precision occult work is best left alone unless we know the risks.      

My out of body instructor once told me, "When we combine will and thought and breath we have a potent mix, with all manner of potential." And I have learnt, seen and experienced how true that sentence is.

Sorry if I come across hard, but I had a hard occult teacher and so I can be a bit hard myself. I am learning how to be a little bit soft and fluffy    but not too much.

Lucy,
I truly believe that forgiveness (as I said in my post directed to crossbow) is a sub-set of compassion. If you practice compassion; for yourself, for your loved-ones, for your friends, for your acquaintances, for those that you don't care for, and for those that have hurt you, and finally for all the souls on this earth, then you wash away the baggage of self-loathing or shame, and you open yourself up to the present beauty of which we are all a part. I love this ancient poem:

May I be a protector to those without protection,
A leader for those who journey,
and a boat, a bridge, a passage
For those desiring the further shore.

May the pain of every living creature
Be completely cleared away.
May I be the doctor and the medicine
And may I be the nurse
For all sick beings in the world
Until everyone is healed.

Just like space
And the great elements such as earth,
May I always support the life
Of all the boundless creatures.

And until they pass away from pain
May I also be the source of life
For all the realms of varied beings
That reach unto the ends of space.

Thank you Crossbow...your comments are tremendously clear and enlightening.  And I will not carelessly toil with breath...you've scared me straight!