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Re: Forgiveness
Reply #15 - Sep 28th, 2011 at 3:37pm
 
Crossbow,
Thank you for the thoughtful description of forgiveness in its limitless form. Your vision matches exactly with the Tibetan Buddhist teachings on compassion, (which I consider the super-set of forgiveness). Compassion is the unconditional understanding that we are all alike, despite our station in life or our physical or psychological condition.  It is not pity, which places the self above another, but the open acceptance of our complete "oneness" with each other, and the willingness to take on the pain and suffering of another. By imagining ourselves taking in (breathing in) the pain and suffering of another (or the whole world if you are strong enough), we indeed change the energy of both the recipient of our compassion and ourselves, and fill the world (breath out) with the glorious Love of God. I agree that this is the most powerful practice in our lives, and I consider myself an infant in its ways.

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Reply #16 - Oct 1st, 2011 at 8:22am
 
Yes Bardo, I agree, breath is a fundamental tool for the control and manipulation of energy. It has its risks though; like all tools, it can be misused.
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Reply #17 - Oct 1st, 2011 at 7:52pm
 
"forgiveness causing damage to the forgiver. "  ????

"like all tools, it can be misused. '

yes

although the hardest is self-forgiveness......

and then when you realize we are all inerconnected, somehow it is all self - forgiveness

so hard for me to accept...so painful...some how I did this to ...myself.
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Reply #18 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 8:10am
 
Crossbow,
Could you describe how the "tool" of compassion (or the use of the breath to manifest it) could be misused? Thanks.
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Reply #19 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 11:16am
 
Hi Lucy.
It might help to simply accept / come to terms with what you have done and learnt, including all the unpleasant "mistakes", then look for the wisdom and growth you have acquired from having made those "errors". And compare that wisdom to the ignorance or lack of realisation that you had prior to the mistakes you made. Then be thankful for the wisdom and growth so that it settles in nicely. This way we learn to extract the lesson from our experiences, grow from errors, and even be thankful for wisdom gained from them. Even though we might not be pleased about how we gained that wisdom, we have minimised its negative side and maximised its positives. I find this works for me reasonably well. Of course we will always carry a certain amount of regret, even shame, but realising the wisdom gained makes the load a lot lighter and lessens the pain. Personally, I see shame as like growing pains in the soul. Although it hurts, I am glad its there because it makes my progress more visible to me. Someone once told me, "Life is a realisation process."

Bardo,
Personally, I endeavour to see everything from multiple sides - inside/outside, above and below, and all around it, including all its uses and misuses, and its errors of uses.

Compassion:
Years ago when I was going out of body a lot and attending a training course I was given all the relevant definitions to learn and study.  The definition I was given for compassion is that "Compassion is the desire to help others, for other's sake". I was taught that in a correct definition lies everything needed to be known about the subject. That's why I was given so many specific definitions to memorise and meditate upon and interconnect them with each other, like jigsaw pieces. Can you see the potential for error within the above definition of compassion?

Bare in mind that there there are two things, what we did and why we did it, and the why for which we did it, is what we really did. Also bare in mind the law of consequence (what some like to call karma) is not fooled; it has no problem differentiating between generosity and self interest, and it comes about accordingly.
 
Breath:
The potential for misuse of breath is massive and myriad. Breath is the handle by which we control and manipulate energy. Energy is everything, does everything, and can do anything. Within the total body (physical and astral bodies, and soul) are numerous energies, all doing their respective job. Everyone of these energies can be tapped into by our awareness of it, can be directed by will, shaped by thought, and controlled, manipulated, magnified, accelerated, intensified, etc, by the breath. Breath magnifies thought, intensifies will, and manipulates energy. Try willing and thinking yourself to "relax", and see how long it takes to relax and how relaxed you get. Then try centering yourself in the commander's seat in the head and combining the commandment to "relax" with the breath, and send the commandment out upon your breath to every cell of your body and mind. Compare not using breath with using it. You will see that breath magnifies will, thought and energy, and is the handle by which energy is controlled.

That exercise is a relatively harmless one; it has a wide margin of safety and error. There are many other exercises which carry real risk. For energy has its rightful channels and places to be, and its rightful pressures and intensities. Energies have their compatibilities and incompatibilities, their beneficial and detrimental reactions to each other. Once we start messing about with energy, thought and breath, we can make some very grave errors. I mean insanities of the worst kind, and mental, emotional and physical illnesses, from mild disruptions to severe damage to any and all our bodies, to the very foundational layer upon which all our mental and astral bodies are built, so that we may take many lifetimes of suffering to repair the damage. Think what happens to a motor car when the head gasket breaks and water (the energy of the cooling system) gets into the engine. The car overheats and the engine seizes up and is often destroyed. Or worse, when petrol (the liquid fire energy of the fuel lines) leaks onto the manifold. The car burns. Or the many problems that occur when the electrical system suffers short circuits, arcs and other malfunctions. The human mechanism and its energies are far more complex and potentially dangerous than the simple system of a motor car. There are energies, fires, waters, airs of every sort, all flowing here and there in their respective channels. In their wrong mix and wrong place they range from troublesome to deadly. There are separation "webs" and "membranes", designed to ensure our safety by keeping energies in their right mix and place, and these membranes are easily weakened and ruptured. And probably one of the worst and most common dangers are low level "incorrect" or partially correct energies that are of sufficiently low intensity to be managed and worked through successfully, but when amplified by bringing the breath into contact with them they become explosive, like turning kerosene into rocket fuel. The possibilities for harm are endless. It it takes exact precision and a lot of knowledge to correctly use the breath upon the energies of the human mechanism. There are millions of ways to do it wrong and cause disaster, and only one way to do it right - which is part of why I don't teach much of what I learnt on the subject. If left alone, without direct interference, and if we simply live a good and helpful life, cultivate a strong and kind character, and exercise virtues, then the human energies have their own self-correcting mechanism. For those who wish to accelerate their selves a little and intensify/magnify their efforts, then keep it broad and basic by adding breath to relaxation exercises, to prayer for others, to love and forgiveness to others, and practice being conscious of the breath will help. But precision occult work is best left alone unless we know the risks.      

My out of body instructor once told me, "When we combine will and thought and breath we have a potent mix, with all manner of potential." And I have learnt, seen and experienced how true that sentence is.

Sorry if I come across hard, but I had a hard occult teacher and so I can be a bit hard myself. I am learning how to be a little bit soft and fluffy  Wink  but not too much.
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Reply #20 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 11:54am
 

Lucy, all that is necessary is for you to realize that you are free, now, in this moment, that no one controls your thoughts but you. You are free, and perfect, in this moment, able to let go of the 'luggage' which, not only you carry, but all of us carry, sometimes. We are all so fortunate to have each other, as mirrors, to help each other. As Crossbow said, once you have taken the lesson from the situation, you are then free to move on. The choice is yours. If what you did before did not 'work' for you, or makes you feel unhappy, you are free to choose another course of action, another train of thought. It is about attachment. Once we learn how to attach in a healthy way, all we have to do is remember. We are truly as free as we wish and believe ourselves to be.

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Lucy wrote on Oct 1st, 2011 at 7:52pm:
"forgiveness causing damage to the forgiver. "  ????

"like all tools, it can be misused. '

yes

although the hardest is self-forgiveness......

and then when you realize we are all inerconnected, somehow it is all self - forgiveness

so hard for me to accept...so painful...some how I did this to ...myself.

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Reply #21 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 12:17pm
 
Lucy,
I truly believe that forgiveness (as I said in my post directed to crossbow) is a sub-set of compassion. If you practice compassion; for yourself, for your loved-ones, for your friends, for your acquaintances, for those that you don't care for, and for those that have hurt you, and finally for all the souls on this earth, then you wash away the baggage of self-loathing or shame, and you open yourself up to the present beauty of which we are all a part. I love this ancient poem:

May I be a protector to those without protection,
A leader for those who journey,
and a boat, a bridge, a passage
For those desiring the further shore.

May the pain of every living creature
Be completely cleared away.
May I be the doctor and the medicine
And may I be the nurse
For all sick beings in the world
Until everyone is healed.

Just like space
And the great elements such as earth,
May I always support the life
Of all the boundless creatures.

And until they pass away from pain
May I also be the source of life
For all the realms of varied beings
That reach unto the ends of space.


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Reply #22 - Oct 3rd, 2011 at 5:44am
 
Look in the mirror in your eyes, look at yourself.
You are a miracle created in the likeness of God, Goddess and Angel.
In your interior there is the rainbow sparkle with vivid crystal energies.
You are the Perfection...

Every one is the Perfection.
You are created in likeness of Gods what is seen in higher dimensions.
Your chakras shine like colored suns, the biggest chakra of heart is shining like pink diamond.
When You are happy and Thankful, when You are in Love then You produce the Light which heals Your astral bodies and material body
...and this Light is going out of You to your Being - Mother and Father.
That is what they are waiting for.

They just  want You to be happy. Joy is the celebration.

Everything is an experience necessary to know the full range of feelings, to experience divinity.
Everything takes place in your interior.
Everything depends on you.

You were given an opportunity to liberate yourselves from the accumulated blockades during the working through the feelings on Earth.
Forgiveness is a natural law  causing the cleaning of the bodies, operating in all Universes and the Creations.
There are many, many Universes in the Creations.

The golden light of diamonds is going down on You when You stay happy and pure...
and if You only ask because You are  reaching now so high. ....
and You can see this in Your mind with eyes of imagination...
and You can feel the silky warm in the material body.
That is the answer of the Creation on Your brilliance.

Everything depends on you.
The forgiveness is the key, the liberation.
You should to forgive to the rest of Your life  until You change yourself into the light...

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Reply #23 - Oct 26th, 2011 at 2:54pm
 
Thank you Crossbow...your comments are tremendously clear and enlightening.  And I will not carelessly toil with breath...you've scared me straight!
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Reply #24 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 3:16am
 
Usetawuz, (he he, I like the name)

Thanks for feedback. I didn't mean to scare anyone. Just pointing out how breath magnifies efforts, and is the "handle" by which we can shift our energies around, so we need to know what we are doing if we use it - because it works. In general though, as I have learnt it, as long as our efforts are broad, not too specific or detailed in application, are general and wholesome, and goodwilled towards others, then combining the effort with breath (using breath to better facilitate the effort) will do no harm. It is when we dabble with the more intricate energetic mechanisms inside and outside of us, and try to obtain extreme and particular results, that we can get into strife unless we know what we are doing. Its like medications, engineering, chemistry, etc, they all carry risk where foolhardiness is greater than knowledge. For instance, there is a breathing exercise, combined with the corresponding effort and knowhow, that enables one to leave the body, almost like an ejection, but it also causes a change in direction of flow of certain energies and a change in the "charge" of one of the bodies, and also a blockage of certain vital energies, all of which can make one ill and spoil the life, so it has to be countered by another breathing exercise and effort done often and diligently, which combs out the energies and corrects the charges, but it brings in "higher light" energy which in turn intensifies contrast with the body's/person's opposing energies, like bright light darkens the shadows, and so it increases internal conflicts/discords, which must be reduced by right and unified thinking and living. All that risk and carry-on just to be able to leave the body by use of breath! Or you can do it the safe and gentle way, as Monroe and others have taught. I would recommend that.     

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