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Reply #15 - Oct 14^th, 2011 at 12:30pm

Oliver,
"If I had the means to change anything and anyone towards more unconditional love, and I could do it without asking them permission, then I would not hesitate, then I would ignore etiquette and political correctness and regard for individual free will."

What would happen to those resisting the unconditional utopia? Change from somewhere within is quite different than forced change whether by dicktatorship or democrazy (numbers make right). Earth is a planet for individual progress, with friends and temporary foes. There are plenty of planets where conforming to the masses is the order. A slow path, and there are plenty of tastes of this available on earth. Have you worked in big organisations? Had a learning course with a group? I prefer one-to-one communications and small group activities. I once enjoyed jamming in a band with a couple of friends, but once they started with 'we should do this and that' I was outta there faster than they could spell tinnitus.

I think the source as a whole, or one united being is too big to comprehend truly as a body being, but I know that the individual journey is far from over after this. Other paths include melding with greater self friends after the earth experience and continue the journey as an extended being. There are so many directions and I've just gotten to know a few grains of that beach.

"The one this and that" noise blanket covering earth has traceable sources. Those sources simply don't and cannot yet comprehend the dynamics of earth as a learning ground, and they can say they are 9d beings and what not. I once noticed how the beings communicating with jelaila at nib.council told her that reps went through ascension as individuals. It's refutable once one can visit other places by phasing or changing the focus. Consider the source.

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Reply #16 - Oct 14^th, 2011 at 1:37pm

To all:
As you talk about the changes to come, and the possibility that some people might not "make it" because they are not developed sufficiently (I know this is not an opinion held by all of you); what about the children, who are in a "state of grace", but not spiritually "evolved"? Will they be brought into a new world, and if so, at what point do they enter the pool of those who must make the grade?
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Reply #17 - Oct 18^th, 2011 at 6:16pm

Very good question, Bardo. It shows that any views on 2012 which are of the kind of "Armageddon", "here the good, and there the bad" are quite unlogical.

The only way we can grasp that global change (if there is any, other than physical/environmental necessarities) is to interpretate it on the basis of a wider perspective, meaning that children, for example, are part of an experience of a greater self, which encompasses many personalities, ages, universes.

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Reply #18 - Oct 19^th, 2011 at 3:04pm

Spooky,

Children, teens and adults are all disks in disguises. Illogical thinking is that disks are going to continue to dabble with the human form 4 ever. I and others will continue to make assumptions until the story of earth is finished once and for all, but the memories and experiences from earth and elsewhere are indeed kept 4 ever.

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Reply #19 - Oct 19^th, 2011 at 6:56pm

Yes Volu, I'm not a fan of the physical either, but I must admit I've collected a lot of impressive experiences during my forty+ years here, and many of them in (or rooted in) my early years. The problem is, these experiences are there, but I don't know the heck what they're good for

. Maybe my disk knows better.

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Re: The Emptying of the "Hollow Heavens"?
Reply #20 - Oct 25^th, 2011 at 8:24pm

tgecks wrote on Sep 18^th, 2011 at 8:43am:

Friends-

I am a frequent OBE'er though I have not posted much lately. I try to look around out there every time I go out there, and it is clear to me that one of my tasks while I am here is to retrieve other extensions, particularly those associated with my I-There (aka Oversoul, EXCOM...). Many times I am guided to "the freshly dead" as they are called in Lifelines at Monroe in Focus 23 (again, Monroe-speak) and I help awaken them to the Guides that surround them. As such, I have not been spending as much time doing specific and requested retrievals ("checking on a friend of mine"), which is when I tend to spend more time in the Hollow Heavens (Focus 24, 25, 26 in Monroe-speak). I have done more of these lately, and found a very different "place." This brings me to my inquiry.

Recently I went in search of a previous retireval I had left on the front porch of his gandmother's house over there. It was not as far as Focus 27, which is the Park at the end of the "tunnel of Light" so many describe where we "go" when we finish with our physical experience. There are many, many more in the Focus 27 environs and many, many fewer "humans" returning to the physical plane from there. The so-called Hollow Heavens, ranging from the lower vibrational "Flaming Pits of Hell" to the white alabaster temples of Focus 26, seem to be almost deserted. With fewer to perpetuate the thought form the actual construct seems to be dissolving, or at least shrinking greatly in their extent. Many were quite vast, now tiny and populated by the most reluctant Orbs I have interacted with. Much effort is being directed to those remaining.

I was wondering if this is anyone else's experience, too? The "main drag" is rather like Monroe described it-- an Expressway. The exits have been closed down, and it seems like every one is being actively directed all the way to 27 rather than the intermediate Heavens and Hells (all self-created, I might add). There's more, of course, but let's see here before I go out farther....

Thomas

Some years ago (maybe two) with my friends, we have discovered similar thing. It appeared to us, that the whole F23-F26 area is being "cleaned" from residental vibrations, as if it was not needed anymore (a lot of light or something = no way to get stuck = infrastructure). We have also wondered "how is it that possible", since this is "no-time" zone, but we came to conclusion, that this is "access time point" dependent issue. I guess if you would state your intent to access retrieval Focus levels "from earlier time/experience point" - you would get an experience in retro style (-;

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Re: The Emptying of the "Hollow Heavens"?
Reply #21 - Oct 26^th, 2011 at 10:12am

tgecks wrote on Sep 18^th, 2011 at 8:43am:

Friends-

I am a frequent OBE'er though I have not posted much lately. I try to look around out there every time I go out there, and it is clear to me that one of my tasks while I am here is to retrieve other extensions, particularly those associated with my I-There (aka Oversoul, EXCOM...). Many times I am guided to "the freshly dead" as they are called in Lifelines at Monroe in Focus 23 (again, Monroe-speak) and I help awaken them to the Guides that surround them. As such, I have not been spending as much time doing specific and requested retrievals ("checking on a friend of mine"), which is when I tend to spend more time in the Hollow Heavens (Focus 24, 25, 26 in Monroe-speak). I have done more of these lately, and found a very different "place." This brings me to my inquiry.

Recently I went in search of a previous retireval I had left on the front porch of his gandmother's house over there. It was not as far as Focus 27, which is the Park at the end of the "tunnel of Light" so many describe where we "go" when we finish with our physical experience. There are many, many more in the Focus 27 environs and many, many fewer "humans" returning to the physical plane from there. The so-called Hollow Heavens, ranging from the lower vibrational "Flaming Pits of Hell" to the white alabaster temples of Focus 26, seem to be almost deserted. With fewer to perpetuate the thought form the actual construct seems to be dissolving, or at least shrinking greatly in their extent. Many were quite vast, now tiny and populated by the most reluctant Orbs I have interacted with. Much effort is being directed to those remaining.

I was wondering if this is anyone else's experience, too? The "main drag" is rather like Monroe described it-- an Expressway. The exits have been closed down, and it seems like every one is being actively directed all the way to 27 rather than the intermediate Heavens and Hells (all self-created, I might add). There's more, of course, but let's see here before I go out farther....

Thomas

Thomas,
If there are many fewer returning to the earth plane, how do we account for the ever-increasing number of souls that are actually here? Seven billion (living) at the latest count. Where are they coming from?

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Re: The Emptying of the "Hollow Heavens"?
Reply #22 - Oct 26^th, 2011 at 2:43pm

Bardo wrote on Oct 26^th, 2011 at 10:12am:

Thomas,
If there are many fewer returning to the earth plane, how do we account for the ever-increasing number of souls that are actually here? Seven billion (living) at the latest count. Where are they coming from?

Possibly through soul bifurcation (trifurcation?). I have another portion of my soul currently incarnated as a woman, half my age and living in the northeastern United States who is apparently bearing the lion's share of "our" karma. I apparently did that in the late 1800's and before that in the 1750's. Try that with 3.5 billion souls and you have your answer!

Also I read a brief book by Ian Lawson which through channeled beings indicated there were many souls seeking incarnation on less dense and intense planets, which would account for a reduced need for large soul processing capacity sepcifically for earth.

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Re: The Emptying of the "Hollow Heavens"?
Reply #23 - Oct 27^th, 2011 at 1:35pm

I was told that since 2000, energies from other star systems more equipped to deal with the changes were populating the planet-- the indigo and crystal children. I don't know, but the realms of 27 are HUGE and seem as big as C-1, the "real world." They seem well populated, as well as those realms just beyond-- Focus 28,29,20,31, and 32. The Gathering is still on 33/34, as is the Voyager 8, the "starship" one uses in Starlines I and II. More beyond that, too, but that is another topic.

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Re: The Emptying of the "Hollow Heavens"?
Reply #24 - Oct 28^th, 2011 at 1:06pm

Once kundalini has curled it's energy to the heart, when sensitivity is greatly enhanced, there are also some delicate challenges connected to this. From what I've observed it's a time in the incarnational span where both internal and external aspects that don't fit the nice label are discarded. Star seeds do not make up for the growth in bodies, and the world hasn't gotten any nicer. I read in the local newspaper today about a person threatening another person with an axe and going up to her and growling/sneering. The journalist had sub-headlined the animalistic growling part as it is noteworthy, regardless of how you view the world and the details you're able to pick up. Though "star seeds" are almost regarded as spiritual magicians, what isn't regarded is the root for this fascination. Memory. Somewhat blurred, but not the general blank page which is the way of this world. They don't carry the changes happening now other than their eventual decision to be a part of a similar way of experiencing. The human and similar paths can get bittersweet and infamous once maturing, but still a step forward from the path the "gods" currently are walking. It remains to be seen who are courageous enough to be the next ones bungee jumping (earth) without the cord (memory). The memory is only temporarily blocked - because our disks have so many incarnations happening at the same time. Would be messy and thoroughly unfocused, and not at all grounded, with the memories intact. At some point all the memories from the earth experience will be available, and more.

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Reply #25 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 11:30pm

I've also gotten the intuition that more consciousnesses are coming in this Earth system from other systems--many very specifically and intentionally to play more conscious helper roles--especially in relation to the developing changes.

Plus, i've also gotten the intuition that more consciousnesses are "splitting" so called, and having more than one life in the relatively same time/space cycle. To some extent, both of the above have always been going on, but both seem to have increased lately, and it seems directly related to the nature of this extreme and quite potential ripe cycle.

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