hi I'm not saying that commiting suicide is the right way out,but if its not the right way out,why do so many do it.

I love God but if its wrong, then why is there so much pain,stress put onto the human soul,that in the end,the soul cannot cope with it anymore.

I beleive that when we say before we are born,that this is how my life shall be,and i need to learn about suffering and happiness.We don't fully understand what we are actually getting into.

At the time, that is what the soul agrees to, but when the soul goes onto the earth plain  and grows in to adulthood having learned about suffering along the way,things don't start working out the way it was intended.

The soul gets overloaded with suffering mentally,not what the soul was actually prepared for,so in the end the physical body that traps this soul into to much suffering,then convinces the physical body to call it a day,and commit suicide as the soul cannot cope anymore.

Then it goes back home to rest after such a overload to it's original life plan, which did not work out.

I love god with all my heart,so i know that God understands and forgives the soul for not quite making the life journey it planned for the physical earth.God knows the soul can only deal with so much  before it gives up.

Mental health illness is a condition brought on by life,life has a lot to answer for and for some its even harder to walk that path and they don't always reach the end,its not there fault though,the blame lies with life itself and always will.

love and God bless   love juditha

Often it seems we are presented to having to make a choice - which in itself can be a learning exercise - not that there would be a choice really, only it may seem that there is a choice.
My personal view about death and time of death is that it is fixed and not alterable, and my personal experiences seem to confirm this, but this is only my interpretation, because it most often seems that there are other - "higher" - forces that seem to control the event lines, and that our awake consciousness is not for making real choices but for experiencing ... various mental things ... in a confined environment which seems relatively stable - "physical reality".
My advice to anyone thinking seriously about suicide is: Try it! Either you are successful, and then it was meant to be, or not. If you think about something for a very long time, then explore it as much as you can, until you are satisfied.

Love

Discs have many incarnations living without fear of living too even though one or more do not. I know that some incarnations come back, suicide or not, but many do not as they have so many fellow sparks gathering experiences.

Some say it's a selfish thing to do forgetting how selfish it is to want people around at any cost. For some reason the fish got to big to fry, and at least then they don't have to deal with many of the silly systems, dog and pony shows present on earth, and instead focus on untying the knot(s) that got tangled.

'Think about the loved ones' yeah, I'm sure many do, and if the one doing it truly is a loved one, so be it.

That said, I hope people who are thinking about doing it try to cope with and resolve whatever their problem is. Divide and conquer can be used for other means than domination.

Going by what I've been able to figure out our psychological issues don't go away simply because we die.

Some people who commit suicide probably find that their emotional suffering becomes even more intense after they die because they no longer have the energetic affect of their physical body to insulate them from their feelings.

Also, they will energetically gravitate to a realm with spirits who have a similar vibration and as a result not only feel their own negative energy, but also the negative energy of souls with a similar vibration.

Regardless of where we are we need to find a way to draw upon the strength of our soul.

Bruce,

"But I now realize that the one thing I need to be able to do that is hanging, dead, from the rafters in garage."

And some get to realize they are so breathtakingly much more than the body, and the only passenger on the train they were not (yoda?), still with plenty of chances left to ride the train after the unpleasant trip.

"Some of the reasons we incarnate are to work through emotional issues we carry with us from previous experience."

Sure, emotional issues don't work themselves out so kicking the bucket won't help resolve them, though perhaps emotions about the body being a holy temple. Previous experience though is what jimi hendrix says to the roman soldier though they really died simultaneously and belonged to the same disk.

"Killing oneself over petty emotional feelings that we convince ourselves are insurmountable takes away the lifetime we took on to resolve them. What a colossal waste of time!"

The man whose pride has been taken away, and the man with aids. Pride is petty and a waste of time. What can't be seen is how and what they felt.

Once the shoe has been put on and walked for a mile, then the shoe knows the petty, or not, or even somewhat petty foot. 'Alas, for it was but an insignificant foot!' Another shoe can find the same foot smelly as a field of flowers showered with the occasional bit of rain, grazed by the morning winds and caressed by the sun. Deers pass while kittens stop by to rub their heads against the soft leather. Shoehorns are nowhere to be seen and the only bent curves are the shapes of eyelids twinkling in the glitter of today's promise: new shoes.

Now, that might be viewed as a waste of time. Colossal? Could be, for some.

I don't believe it has anything to do with judging another, it's more about how a person's state of mind won't change simply because he or she dies. Therefore, it is good to work on ourselves even now.

Recoverer,

"I don't believe it has anything to do with judging another, it's more about how a person's state of mind won't change simply because he or she dies. Therefore, it is good to work on ourselves even now."

Judging is measuring and measuring is how navigation happens on earth. If you think pul is fantastic, you've made a judgement, and most likely a chain of judgements have led you there.

Seeing loved ones attending a funeral for a suicidal is likely to make someone think of right or wrong, ie. a judgement. Seeing a bent head with the tongue sticking out like a tie and brown new pants is likely to make someone judge how that looks. Not as pretty as the picture from the recent holiday, perhaps.

Suicide. Even the word makes some people look like they're going to be the next jumper, looks like they won't be moving in next to the sewersides anytime soon. Can't blame someone for liking bread better than eating a shotgun, but a waste of life it is not. No lives are.

Here's a near death experience that speaks about suicide.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/suicide04.html