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Reply #30 - Sep 17th, 2011 at 6:49pm
 
Cheers, have you read about the miracle of Lanciano?
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Reply #31 - Sep 18th, 2011 at 12:32am
 
Matthew,

Interestingly, the Hanina ben Dosa mentioned in the article was a comtemporary of Jesus.  Hanina, too, was a faith healer and exorcist.  I think Jesus comments on him favorably without naming him in Mark 9:38-40.  The article does not mention Honi the Circle Drawer who was famous for his rain-making abilities, among other miracles, and was killed around 64 BCE.  Honi seems to have given Jesus his idea of address God as "abba," an child's intimate term for "father," in prayer. 
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Reply #32 - Sep 18th, 2011 at 9:15am
 
Very interesting Don, I was hoping you'd enter the discussion, as I remembered your scholarship in the area.  If you have the time, I do think many on this board would be interested in your description on how several saints have been noted to have OOBE.  It would be indeed a bridge between conservative religion and the New Age thought.

I am not familiar with the stories of healing miracles from many other religions, but I believe that we can find evidence of reports of healings in other religions such as Hinduism, and Buddhism.  Clearly, the faithful visit Hindu shrines, and shrines of other faiths in the hopes of these miracles occurring. 

All of it seems consistent to me in implying that it is our faith and connection to the subconscious template we all have inside that matters in terms of miraculous healings.  By coupling faith and conviction with thought, we are accessing a divine pathway.

The concept of the power of thought, oversimplified in the book The Secret, can be applied to healing through faith.  But what selfish or self-interested people don't understand is that there are consequences to actions (an equal and opposite reaction for every action - and karma is a real phenomenon).  Thus, people manage to succeed in coupling thought to intent in one area of their lives (such as earning material wealth), but fail to be happy, and may suffer (multiple divorces, estranged family members, etc.) because love is not the underlying principle behind their thought and action.

I highly recommend people joining a prayer group with others, with the sole intention of healing others in need.  I have participated in this, and do so when I can.  I have been the recipient of the healing, and had a wonderful group of people help me out at a point in my life where I was in need.  It was humbling, but also awe inspiring for me to truly see that real life situations could change for the better, by what in my opinion was the changing probabilities in the real world due to the power of thought and prayer.


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Reply #33 - Sep 25th, 2011 at 9:35am
 
What about Lourdes, Fatima etc?
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Reply #34 - Sep 30th, 2011 at 2:06pm
 
What about the miracles of Lourdes?

And the Mary appiritions at Fatima, Guadeloupe etc?

And the miracle of Blessed Alexandrina, does this not show Catholicism is the only true religion?  Sad
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Reply #35 - Sep 30th, 2011 at 3:33pm
 
No, it doesn't, but it does show that a belief system can be very powerful and if these manifestations actually happened then I think the occurrences are open to interpretation.
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Reply #36 - Oct 1st, 2011 at 3:44pm
 
Jdee,

There are many documented miraculous healings in different cultures and religions.  The article I mentioned referenced miraculous healings
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Judaism, yet you can find information on healing shrines of different religions all over the world.  Does that mean that Judaism or Hinuism is the only "true" religion?
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Reply #37 - Oct 1st, 2011 at 5:25pm
 
My evolving understanding is that perhaps all of the world's religions have at their core some of the "universal truths" of the greater reality (i.e. nonphysical, afterlife, etc.).  But institutional religions add onto those core truths a huge amount of laws, rules, pomp, hierarchy, etc., including excluding the ordinary worshiper from direct contact with the divine/God/whatever.  But all of those religions have those who do directly experience that contact and core truth who, in so doing, manifest miracles of all sorts.  So all religions ARE and ARE NOT the one, or at least a, "true religion" if that is your criteria.

Again, I commend the writings of Frank DeMarco to all of you.  Frank continues to talk to knowledgeable entities on the other side about these and other matters.  Reading his books and blog is clarifying lots of things for me.
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Reply #38 - Oct 1st, 2011 at 6:36pm
 
The ability to heal with intention is central to Buddhist teachings. All of these religions, and the New Age thinkers back to Swedenborg proclaimed as a central tenet of the Universal Law that thought is causitive...thought creates reality. So healing through prayer, or intention, or meditation is completely in accordance with this basic understanding of reality. Miracles are visible examples, but there are so many more happening all around us all the time.
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Reply #39 - Oct 3rd, 2011 at 4:56am
 
But the Catholic Church has a miracle where the sun danced in the sky.

How much more of a miracle can you get?
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Reply #40 - Oct 3rd, 2011 at 7:37pm
 
I believe it is a mistake to conclude that because miracles occur for one denomination of a religion, this means that that denomination is the paradigm that represents the highest truth. Perhaps each demonination and each religion has miracles for the benefit of the members of each group.

If a group doesn't seek miracles as a form of affirmation, they might be less likely to occur.



jdee190 wrote on Oct 3rd, 2011 at 4:56am:
But the Catholic Church has a miracle where the sun danced in the sky.

How much more of a miracle can you get?

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Reply #41 - Oct 4th, 2011 at 2:20pm
 
Quote:
But the Catholic Church has a miracle where the sun danced in the sky.

How much more of a miracle can you get?


Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun ):
"Meessen observes that Sun Miracles have been witnessed in many places where religiously charged pilgrims have been encouraged to stare at the sun. He cites the apparitions at Heroldsbach, Germany (1949) as an example, where similar observations as at Fatima were witnessed by more than 10,000 people. "
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Reply #42 - Oct 4th, 2011 at 2:29pm
 
So miracles do not equal truth?

There is a catholic saint who said only 3 of 60000 catholics make it to heaven. The rest go to hell.

What kind of God is that?
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Reply #43 - Oct 4th, 2011 at 3:33pm
 
Maybe it's a God who thinks people carry too much luggage...  smile.....
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Reply #44 - Oct 4th, 2011 at 4:04pm
 
There are Street Preachers who say virtually no gets to Heaven. Should I believe them? I think not. A saint is still a human being given to exaggeration at times.
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