heisenberg69 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2011 at 3:26am:



  Hi Dave,

I can understand your concern and non-comfort with such a concept. 

   I would just point out that Bruce Moen isn't the only high level source to describe such an experience. 

  Two other sources that i know of, also mention the potential for this occurrence.  I believe Tom Campbell also touches on it, as well as the Guidance that came through Edgar Cayce.

  This doesn't mean that it's definitely true, but does mean the concept is worth exploring for self within. 

  Cayce's guidance went one step above the other two when talking about this concept, and linked astrological concepts/symbols to it as well. 

   They seemed to indicate that the Planet Saturn could symbolize such a "wiping out", true death type experience.   So, if a person came in with Saturn as the primary and most highlighted indication in their chart, then it could symbolize that their Greater self had recently experienced one of two things.   One of those experiences that Bruce talks about wherein a self or aspect of the Greater self disintegrated or possibly one of those cases of rare "direct incarnation" of a self. 

  I have experience with the latter.  I had a very involved and vivid dream wherein i was at the "akashic library" and was seeing two other selves or aspects of my G.S. and two of us watched a very realistic 3D movie that came from a "book" of another of our more "past" selves. (as we watched this unfold, we became part of the drama and knew we were also this other self). 

    Quite interestingly, many years later i had a powerful verification of this dream and information with a woman i had met, whose other self was in that dream.   She had a psychic reading many, many years before i met her, and the info matched up to the info in the dream that i had a decade or so before meeting her.  Some very specific stuff.

  Anyways, i become aware that this other self of mine wasn't the nicest guy around... in fact, he was one of slowest vibratory personalities in my "Disk".   

Apparently when he died, i imagine he may have spent some time either being stuck and/or in one of the "hells", but in any case at some point he realized the mistakes in that life, and apparently really wanted a "do over".   Our Disk agreed, and other forces agreed. 

    So, he incarnated again under uncannily similar life patterns under very similar circumstances.  In a sense, his immediate memory and existence was "wiped" when he did this and it was a "beginning again" for him in that other physical life.  The previous info of his previous life was of course stored in the greater/Disk self, but until he merged again with that level of self, it all seemed "lost". 

   I'm aware that when he did this "do over" at another physical life, he came in with Saturn particularly highlighted in his chart in that life. 

  So according to both Cayce's guidance and my own experience, Saturn can symbolize both kinds of "loss of self".   The more permanent kind that Bruce describes and Cayce describes, and the more "do over" kind that Cayce and my own guidance describes, which is related to those rare direct reincarnation cases. 

  Interesting stuff either way.

  I think i figured out this message finally.  It's interesting how many the messages i've received, tend to get verified in a precognitive way.  Seems to be my guidances specialty with me. 

  It seems to be more about T.C. overall, which is probably why the initial visual matched up with him more so.  Here is the confluence of events and experiences which partially verified this for me. 

    I made my way over to Tom's forum, spent some time reading his forum, his books, etc.  Most of what he says "resonates" intuitively with me (for most to do so, is a bit rare and unusual for me), and much of it is stuff that i've come to know and intuit anyways.   More often than not, i spoke positively about Tom and his work, but in a non pedestal way.

    Unbeknownst to a friend was the fact that i had recently checked out Tom's forum.  My friend shared that they had seemed to receive a message for me relating to T.C. (this was before he knew i had checked out the forum).   The message seemed to be about asking me to warn or make T.C. aware of something, and that something seemed to relate to the original message i received when it indicated there was some nativity to negative forces.  Apparently i and this whole situation was somewhat chosen to help facilitate some awareness for T.C.

   When i first received the message i wrote about in this thread and didn't know if it was more about Rademacher or T.C., i originally was thinking more "conspiracy" type stuff like shadow government or maybe something like the Reptilian E.T. group when it came to the mention of "negative forces". 

   Turned out to be more mundane overall, and a bit multi leveled. 

   Anyways, soon after i joined Tom's forum, i was booted for having the audacity to both agree and disagree with Tom's perceptions and viewpoints (that and i had a really hard time only discussing just MBT and what Toms says) .  Actually, the agree part wasn't the problem, it was the disagree and having a difference of opinion and stating that openly. 

   It didn't matter how much, how often, or how sincerely i stated i respected and largely resonated with Tom and his work, and that we were in total agreement on the fundamentals, etc, but some of the regular posters had a deep need to make the focus about me and not about the information i was trying to discuss.  It became about how super egotistical (translate to rather "high entropy" which in their speak is quite the negative put down), fake, negative, etc. etc. i was.   

  I tried to point out deeper truths, like while his book is a good reference base, it was ultimately more important for people to go within and either have their own experiences or communication with guidance to get info rather than being so totally focused on what Tom says, and i pointed out that Tom was human and could and has made errors of judgment, perception, and the like.

  One big one i pointed out was his words on "Seth", having said things like Seth is one of the Teachers that tries to enlighten humanity. 

  I pointed out that clearly Tom's discrimination was lacking in this area because of Seth's twisting, undermining, and minimizing of the life and example of the most love attuned Teacher to yet come into the Earth--Yeshua. 

  I pointed out that if one had experience with really low entropy consciousnesses and higher level guidance, one would understand that they all universally respect, admire, and recognize the life, example, teachings, crucifixion and resurrection of Yeshua.   

  Clearly, "Seth" is not so aware or intune spiritually, as this is a huge red flag for those with eyes to see and hears to hear.  It is only higher entropy nonphysical consciousnesses which have a need to and which  disparage, minimize or twist info relating to this Teacher of teachers. 

  Hence, one case of being "naive to negative forces", in this case Seth.   The other is his own choice of a moderator, who became very belligerent and personal with me, constantly demanding and threatening me with his power over my fate at this site.  Often he twisted what i said or didn't say, mis-characterized me and my motives, and generally just focused on putting me down in a very personal way and often with consistency and obvious anger and intolerance (mentioning things about how "annoyed" he was with posters like me).

   Clearly, his moderator is not as "low entropy" as Tom or the moderator may believe.  I knew where it all came from, it came from fear.  He is way too over attached to Tom, his work, and the group and i sparked all this defensiveness in him by sharing a more balanced view of Tom--that while he is a more mature human, he still isn't a "He/She" type, and in any case it's universally more effective for people to rely more on the within methods. 

   He has put Tom on a Guru pedestal, and if u don't conform like he does, there is no place for you there.  You must, like he, worship the ground that Tom walks on.  In being Tom's main interpreter, he looks for and gains self esteem through that connection and privilege.  Anyone that questions the Tom pedestal he has erected for him, is seen as a "threat" and must be eliminated.  These are classic cult and negative guru symptoms developing. 

  I'm hoping this case and example may open Tom's eyes up a bit on the extent to which the power has gone to this person's head and how he is actively trying to mold Tom and that group into a more Guru/worship group than i assume Tom would want.  I don't get the sense that Tom is about that, and as i mentioned many times on that forum i've gotten the sense that he is a higher level source (which is actually quite a compliment coming from me, because i haven't found many outer sources so far that i would call truly and more consistently higher level--so far it's a smallish group comprised of people like McKnight, Bruce Moen, Cayce, latter Monroe, etc). 

  Anyways, in light of these experiences and the events that unfolded, my friends message made more sense to me and filled in some of the blanks in relation to the message i had earlier received from guidance, which i hadn't really understood.  Actually, i didn't fully understand my friends message and how it related to mine, until some of these events unfolded and i had a more deeper insight into T.C. and his work (like his views on Seth or his choice of a moderator).