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Justin aka Vasya
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Jun 23rd, 2011 at 12:18pm
 
  I don't often get messages in meditation about or for another person, but about a month ago, i had this experience. 

  I got a visual of a man, and asked who the man was and heard back "Paul Rademacher" who is the current TMI executive director.   I then asked why i was being communicated about him, and i heard or rather translated something like, "He works for Christ, but he is naive."   With the naive part, i received further info about naive to negative forces. 

   The odd thing is that in the visual i received about the man, i saw someone with whitish-greyish hair, and when i looked up Paul Rademacher he had darker hair.   

  Tom Campbell came to mind since like the man in the visual i received, he has noticeably whitish grey hair. 

  I don't know if i garbled the translation of the message, or if guidance was saying there was some kind of strong connection between Rademacher and Campbell? 

  If so, i have no idea what the connection is suppose to be.  I also have no idea if Rademacher peruses this site or not, but i hope he sees this post and maybe can figure out what this message means.  (or Campbell for that matter, if he is involved with it).
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Reply #1 - Jun 24th, 2011 at 8:27am
 
I think Tom would tell you he doesn't work for Christ as he considers such to be a belief system and as for naive, well... So far in my search I found him the least naive of the bunch. There are some things Tom talks about that are still a bit beyond me and maybe even my interest, like Psi, but I find that what he is discussing makes more sense as I delve into it deeper rather than it begins to put me off like a lot of what is out there.

So it must be that Paul Rademacher guy. I know that Tom hasn't had a great deal of contact with TMI in many years. Don't get me wrong, he has had a little bit. I think he spoke there in the last couple of years briefly.
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Reply #2 - Jun 24th, 2011 at 12:25pm
 
I’ve met Paul Rademacher on several occasions, and Tom Campbell once. I’ve had conversations with both. “Naïve” is not a word I would use to describe either man. Both strike me as sophisticated and astute in judgment. As Beau indicates, Campbell is not one for any sort of religious belief system. His work (as an engineer) with Bob Monroe was in the early Whistlefield days (1970s), when he and Dennis Mennerich helped Monroe to develop Hemi-Sync. Since then he’s had little contact with TMI until he delivered the keynote address to the professional meeting last year. I don’t believe that he and Paul Rademacher are closely acquainted. As for Paul, he is an ex-Presbyterian minister. He discusses his spiritual views in his recent book. How he privately envisions his mission I don’t know; but in his public statements do not accord with the description rendered above.

One of the perennial challenges of receiving and interpreting psychic data is judging between the literal and symbolic elements, as well as the references (inward or outward, or a combination thereof). No one is infallible here, and it seems to me likely that this message is not meant for the named individual(s), but that he/they may represent something inside of the receiver or perhaps sources unknown.
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Reply #3 - Jun 24th, 2011 at 12:58pm
 
Naivete can apply to different degrees. For example, a person who channels a being without finding out what that being is all about because he assumes only a friendly being would come through, might be Naive.

I don't know anything about Paul Rademacher.  However, perhaps this might relate. Perhaps it is naive to assume that people at TMI make contact with only friendly beings. It is possible that some unfriendly beings do connect with people there. What is Paul's viewpoint on this? Does he allow for the possibility that some unfriendly beings might be connecting with people at TMI?

Regarding Tom Campbell, I don't know how he fits into what Justin received. I know that Tom understands that unfriendly beings exist and that they mess with people. Perhaps what he knows should be acknowledged at TMI.

Since I have no experience with TMI I am only suggesting possibilities.

Regarding Paul working for Christ, I don't believe it is a matter of believing in Jesus in a particular way. Rather, it is a matter of being motivated by PUL, since that is what Christ consciousness is about.

I have experience-based reasons for believing that the man Jesus existed, but I believe he was about PUL rather than some of the things people associate with him. I bet you he was a fun guy to be around. Smiley
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Reply #4 - Jun 24th, 2011 at 3:11pm
 
   Another word for Christ is love of the PUL kind.  I've noticed that Tom Campbell focuses on the concept of love in the PUL sense as what brings maturity in consciousness. 

    I agree with Recoverer, there are different degrees of naivety and in different areas. 

   Just a few years ago, i was more naive to negative forces connected to aspects of the U.S. government, and to aspects of some E.T. information.  Most people i know, even some with some non-physical experience and knowings in various areas (including awareness of ET existence), are somewhat naive to certain aspects of the above.      

  One doesn't have to be basically "naive" to have some relative naivety in some area or areas. 

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Reply #5 - Jun 24th, 2011 at 3:23pm
 
I remember listening to a Tom Campbell video where he basically said some people in positions of power such as politicians are influenced by unfriendly beings. Unfriendly beings target such people because they are in a position to really mess things up.
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Reply #6 - Jun 25th, 2011 at 9:55am
 
I think we need to be very, very careful when we claim to see “evil influences” at work in others. There are both moral and psychological dangers here.

One thing we ought to have learned from Carl Jung is the ease with which the human mind, disdainful of what it regards as its own imperfections, casts off those unwanted characteristics and, projecting them upon others “out there”, labels and vilifies them as “evil”. This is what he called the “Shadow”. Jung noticed this tendency particularly strongly among his patients just prior to the buildup and outbreak of the second World War, when that evil—that which is manipulating the élite, keeping us from our true destiny, hoarding the secrets of knowledge and success—was finally identified by Hitler and his henchmen: “The Jew”. The rest, as they say, is history—or rather, nightmare.

Today we are very close to this same kind of social paranoia that is fertile ground for fascism. Years ago (in 1964), the Columbia University historian Richard Hofstadter identified what he aptly dubbed “the paranoid style in American politics”, which could be generalized to American culture. There are conspiracies afoot everywhere, the élite are once again in the grip of the devil, and the truly righteous folk (who? why, us, of course!) are threatened on all sides by those élites who would dupe the masses and keep the keys to the kingdom for themselves. No one in our time has yet produced the equivalent of “The Jew”—though David Icke’s lizard aliens and (at least according to Lyndon Larouche) the Queen of England are right up there as prime candidates.

Pity poor Patrick McGoohan, the late actor and artist who created the hit 1960s television series, “The Prisoner”. McGoohan was virtually drummed out of England for suggesting (in the final episode to the series) that the mysterious, evil “Number One” who had imprisoned “Number Six” in the Orwellian “Village” was none other than a split-off (Shadow) part of Number Six himself. In other words, we imprison and manipulate ourselves. The real enemy--the real tyrant and manipulator--is within: our own (especially unconscious and therefore unexamined and unquestioned) belief systems and fears.

This is one key reason why Bob Monroe’s work is so valuable, and also perhaps why TMI, as an institution, is a place that attracts all sorts of unconscious projections, both positive and negative in character. For in his exploration of human consciousness, Monroe deliberately eschewed not only the belief-systems of mainstream materialist science, but also those of all esoteric and exoteric religious traditions, both eastern and western. He thereby produced a neutral vocabulary, innocent of the assumptions and prejudices of those same belief systems, for describing experiences of expanded awareness. In addition, of course, he also helped to devise practical methods for achieving those states.

Adherents of such belief systems invariably are proselytizers. Monroe himself was no proselytizer. “Belief” comes from the old Germanic word “lief” which means “love”—our beliefs are beloved to us, as the physicist David Bohm points out. “The danger in belief should therefore be clear,” he writes, “for when the ‘love’ for a set of assumptions and their implications is strong, it may lead to playing false to defend them.”

As per The Bard, “The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves.” Let us look no further than the mirror to find our devils.
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Reply #7 - Jun 25th, 2011 at 11:04am
 
THAT is an excellent post Lakeman! The only post on this board so far that mentions Hitler that I found worth reading. Well done!
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Reply #8 - Jun 25th, 2011 at 1:26pm
 
I don't believe that anybody made specific statements about "who" is affected like David Icke does. As Lakeman stated, there are ethical issues when it comes to naming people who are influenced. I'm not willing to take Icke's word for it when he names specific people.

However, I don't believe it is wrong to consider the possibility that some people are influenced, and that some unfriendlies make contact with people at TMI. One man who used to participate on this forum and has been to TMI stated that he believes that some unfriendly ETs have contacted people at TMI.

I'm quite certain that I've communicated extensively with beings of love and light, yet unfriendlies have also contacted me. This World currently exists so a mixture of influences can be involved with it.

There is a lot of evidence that shows that when it comes to unfriendlies, more than Carl Jung like mind creations are involved. Even Robert Monroe wrote about such influences in his book "Ultimate Journey." He was told that unfriendly beings with human experience and without human experience have been involved with this world for a long time. He was told that they are experienced and can influence people.

This doesn't mean that we don't have free will, but if a person is leaning towards doing something negative an unfriendly being might provide an unfriendly nudge and some non-positive suggestions. The more a person gives into such suggestions, the more an unfriendly being well get its hooks into such a person.
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Reply #9 - Jun 25th, 2011 at 2:44pm
 
I don't buy it, Albert, but it is a good argument you make. Wink
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Reply #10 - Jun 25th, 2011 at 2:49pm
 
What part don't you buy?

Beau wrote on Jun 25th, 2011 at 2:44pm:
I don't buy it, Albert, but it is a good argument you make. Wink

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Reply #11 - Jun 25th, 2011 at 3:30pm
 
I am of the feeling, from my experiences, that it is all one thing. There are no real baddies and no real goodies but that consciousness is a perfect balance at its essence and that that is what I came here to uncover, but of course I could be way off here. I enjoyed the post you made in spite of that.
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Reply #12 - Jun 25th, 2011 at 4:48pm
 
A few final comments before taking an extended Internet holiday:

A lot of people are selling fear these days, and a lot of folks are buying it
wholesale--lock, stock and barrel. The anxiety/paranoia market is virtually flooded. The sellers are in it for different reasons: pure economic profit; ideological (or in some cases personal) axes to grind; desire for power; delusional thinking, etc. The celebrity purveyors of fear in almost every case I can think of are either delusional cranks or would-be mass manipulators. This doesn’t mean that the world doesn’t face challenges or even dangers. I am not some Pollyanna. I just don’t trust the fear-mongers. They smell bad.

Are there other entities or forces “out there” apart from the human mind? Of course there are. But one of the points that Monroe consistently emphasized is that what we might interpret as “evil” may simply be indifference on the part of an intelligence that is totally foreign, and perhaps, in some (if not many) cases, superior to ours. Indeed, one of his persistent themes is his questioning of our conventional definitions of terms like “good” and “evil”. Thus, in the appendix to “Far Journeys,” he states, in answer to the question, “What would you say is the nature of good and evil,” the following: “They exist only in the mind of the perceiver, due to ignorance and lack of understanding plus an immersed viewpoint.” And, in his final work, “Ultimate Journey,” he repeats this conclusion virtually verbatim in his translation of the ROTE he brought back from his journey to the Emitter: “There is no good, there is no evil. There is only expression.”

Finally, with regard to TMI as an institution, I would say the following: Like all human organizations, it attracts individuals of varying capacities, talents, inclinations, abilities, motivations, and so forth. From my own experience over the past decade, however, I have never met anyone who worked at TMI in any official capacity whom I would label “evil,” or whom I would suspect as being under the influence of “evil forces,” either knowingly or unknowingly. I have seen no evidence of this. This doesn’t mean that TMI is a perfect place, or that it is the only available venue to provide useful tools for inner growth. But, judging people by what they say and do (as well as by their effect on those around them), coupled with my own intuitive sense, in my humble estimation I have only met individuals of good will there who are interested in exploring consciousness, and in facilitating the explorations—and thus the freedom and awareness—of others. I can’t speak for anyone else and their experience at TMI, and I certainly don’t speak for TMI. My views are my own.      



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Reply #13 - Jun 25th, 2011 at 7:42pm
 
Regarding Monroe's statement of there being no good and evil, I believe it needs to be considered in its proper context.  In the end when every being lives according to PUL everything will be okay, but right now the tremendous amout of suffering we see in this World isn't simply an illusion.

Because the beings in this universe are able to operate according to free will, some of them end up acting in a way where they harm others. When a man forces numerous children into prostitution, it is a negative thing regardless of how things eventually work out.

Regarding the below from Far Journeys, Ultimate Journey was written a number of years later and Robert speaks of things he didn't know about when he wrote Far Journeys. For example, about his "I-there." I believe it is reasonable to conclude that what he found out later is more accurate than what he had figured out earlier. I don't believe he would've referred to negative influences as being negative if he didn't believe they are negative in some way.

[[[“Far Journeys,” he states, in answer to the question, “What would you say is the nature of good and evil,” the following: “They exist only in the mind of the perceiver, due to ignorance and lack of understanding plus an immersed viewpoint.”]]]

I don't believe it is good to push fear-based agendas just for the sake of spreading fear, but it is important to be informed even if some of the information that is available is unpleasant.

Ironically, I used to close my mind to the fact of how evil-minded entities exist because I was afraid to acknowledge that they exist. Once I reached the point where I was no longer afraid of them I was able to find out that in some way they exist.

On the one hand it is good that people find out about negative entities only when they are ready to do so, but perhaps we are reaching a point in human history where we can no longer prolong being aware of such knowledge.
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Reply #14 - Jun 25th, 2011 at 8:21pm
 
From Ultimate Journey page 183:

Robert's I-there: Even the Earth itself. There are so many influences. We have tried to steer you away from them, as much as we can.

Robert: Why?

Robert's I-there: Some early encounters with some of us did not work out well. They do not regard humans in the way we thought they might. The have a sense of superiority because they have evolved in a different way.

Robert: So there are no big brothers in the sky?

Robert's I-there: Not in the way that we humans dream that there are. The difficulty is that these intelligences have abilities in the manipulation of energy that we cannot conceive of. And they use them without the restraints we put on ourselves. You may ask Talo. He is the only working nonhuman we have with us.

From page 191:

Robert: This question of influences is troubling me.

Robert's I-there: You need not be troubled. You have learned control of enough of your receptors to manage. If your receptors were not in phase, the influences would not be received.

Robert: Thinking positively helps, does it?

Robert's I-there: Partly. Deliberately ignoring the input helps more. Every life-time we have is full of such influences.

From page 193:

Robert: When will I be doing that? [Move on with his I-there]

Robert's I-there: As soon as you are clear of this concern about influences.

Regarding the above response, I have found that it has been a part of my spiritual path to learn that I don't need to be afraid of unfriendly entities.  JM Pardy had to find out the same (as written about in her book "Awakening to the Reconnection"). Perhaps each soul needs to reach the point where it understands that it can't be harmed by beings with negative intent, as long as it chooses a PUL-based way of existence.

A part of growing in such a way is allowing ourselves to be aware that negative entities with malicious intent do exist. Other wise, how could we confront them and find that we don't need to be afraid of them? Just discerning.

A part of being discerning is being ready to recognize when they appear, even if they show up at a place such as TMI. I don't mean to suggest that only unfriendly entities appear at TMI. I figure a lot of friendly entities also appear. Whatever the case, I figure a director of a place such as TMI needs to be aware of the possibility of unfriendly influences showing up. If such a director refuses to be aware of such a possibility, he might naively make the mistake of not taking whatever steps are necessary to deal with such influences.
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