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Justin aka Vasya
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Reply #15 - May 23rd, 2011 at 10:51pm
 
 
   Regarding Brown and his information about Greys, or in general re: the whole of his work (both books and info on his sites).  As i've already said, i don't necessarily believe he got it all completely accurate.

  However, you seem to be forgetting something.  Brown did not just get info about the Greys directly from the Greys themselves. 

Yes, it's possible that they could have deceived or mislead him, as they may have with some abductees.

  Yet, he received information about the Greys from other sources as well.  One of his targets ended up being Jesus.  His contacts with Jesus resonated at a very deep and intuitive level with me.  He is one of the few sources that i know of which is not religious which gives information implying that Jesus is a Co-Creator of this Universe and many of the Beings in same. 

   Brown didn't interpret it that way, and yet he still received information which could imply same.  We find the same implying in some of Bruce's accounts with the Planning Intelligence "Disk".  We find it pretty blatantly stated a few times in the Cayce work.  John of the NT seems to strongly imply it. 

  He also contacted non human Light Beings, from a group he labeled the Galactic Federation.  I'm also considering his 2nd book's info as well as his 1st. 

  At any one of the points he was communicating with these non Grey intelligences whether Jesus or non human Light Beings, they could have told him, "hey, the Greys are misleading and deceptive beings, be wary when interacting with them." 

Yet neither Jesus nor the non human Light Beings tell him this.  In fact, Jesus was almost authoritative with Brown when he said that we need to help the Greys, "his children" as Jesus specifically says.   

  I can understand you doubting the info from the Greys directly, but what were they also impersonating Jesus here?  How far down the rabbit hole do we have to go?  If we listented to a person like Kara, she would have been likely to assume that he wasn't really contacting Jesus and that Greys were creating the experience for him.   

Could they make him feel the intense feelings of humor, joy, love, in Courtney when he was in contact with Jesus?

  It doesn't seem to me with the messages you have received that you have received a clear warning about the Greys, yet it does seem that you have about the group known or called the Reptilians.  Becky and i certainly have with the latter, whether or not their true form is reptilian or not.

  Consider this for a moment Albert.  Say theoretically for a moment that most of Brown's info about the Greys and the Reptilians is true.  Say the Greys are in a war with, and have been for awhile with the Reptilians over the Earth and humanity's fate and the Greys are trying to help us to have a positive future outcome.. 

   If this is true, wouldn't the Reptilians then have a strong vested interest in discrediting the Greys and deceiving us about them in every respect? 

  Wouldn't they try to make it seem to the people they abduct or mess with, that the Greys are also the "bad guys" and not to be trusted. 

   If this is even a possibility, then we better be real certain of our messages, interpretations, etc. before we write off the Greys as a mostly negative influence we should avoid except in feeling PUL towards them in a detached way. 

  Because if they are not mostly negative, and Brown is correct about them, then they are one of the forces most helping us out in this now covert war with the Reptilians.  On the front lines so to speak.

  If Brown is correct about this, then i would have the utmost gratitude and appreciation towards the Greys for trying to help us with such a destructive group that so dislikes us.

  I will start doing some meditations with the specific intent of finding out the truth about the Greys.

One of my first E.T. contacts was a dream i had when i was 18 back in 98'.  I was aware to my surprise that i was telepathically communicating with an E.T. group after seeing their craft in the skey and they told me that they were here observing and trying to help with the Changes taking place in humanity and the Earth.  They did not feel negatively intentioned, but they did feel quite "foreign" or different to me, but it all was a bit overwhelming at the time so i shut off the communication.  For a long time after the dream, when thinking about it, i often got the sense that the group i had been communicating with might have been the Greys, but i'm not certain about it. 

  I agree more research and going within is needed before coming to any set conclusions, but i tend to rely more on my intuition than many males do.   



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Reply #16 - May 23rd, 2011 at 11:03pm
 
  Here is some experience documenting the ability of Courtney Brown to quite accurately perceive a Remote Viewing target. 

  In this case, it shows the non linear nature of time, because when Brown had done the R.V. session, as purposed, a target hadn't even been picked yet.  He did one on the intention and knowing that a target would later be assigned.

An associate later picked a target after Brown R.V.'ed the target and sent a highly encrypted data file with the R.V. session to another associate, but without the key necessary to unlock same.  As you will see, Brown did a pretty good job of describing the target. 

  After clicking on this link, go below the video screen part to "Project Videos" and click on "The Manoa Project" link to watch the session i am talking about.

http://www.farsight.org/AV/av1.html

  If all involved are being truthful about this session, then Brown does definitely have some developed ability to remote view targets.   

   I would like to see if anyone here could get such an accuracy rate with a target.  I'm not sure i would and i've had various verifications or at least partial hits in most of the psychic type exercises i've tried.
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Reply #17 - May 24th, 2011 at 1:45am
 
recoverer wrote on May 23rd, 2011 at 5:37pm:
Justin:

I considered the possible future factor, yet I still felt it was worthwhile to bring up what Courtney wrote. Howard Storm and Ned Dogherty wrote about positive changes they learned about as if they are very definitely are going to happen, because this is what divine will wants.


  At least with Storm (i don't fully remember Dougherty's account right now), it seems like Guidance knew that he would reach more to the fundamentalist, religious types, and so the information had to be packaged in a certain way to some extent.
  My experience with some fundamentalist, religious types is that they often have a more black and white mindset wherein they lack a subtly of perception and interpretation.  If Storm had gone into depth about the relativity of future time-lines to a more detailed, complex, and in depth degree, perhaps this would have confused some of his readers or general audience?

  Also, sometimes Guidance will stress something so we believe more strongly in it (even if it's only a probability), in order to help make it a reality.  It's called "positive suggestion".  Act or speak as if the change you (or they) want to see is already a reality, even though we're dealing with a fluid and to some extent dependent on the freewill choices and actions of people, future.

  In any case, most NDE's dealing with the issue of the future state that what develops, report that it is often up to us and our collective and individual choices and ways of living.

  Many psychic sources also state similar.  The Divine can want something all It wants, but if we refuse to be on board, then such positive changes aren't necessarily going to happen.  We are an active participants necessary in co-creating such futures. 

That's the whole meaning of "freewill", and rarely does the Divine interfere in a direct manner to change how and what we choose.  Instead, usually and most often Divine forces try to guide and influence to choose the wisest and most beneficial.   

  Storm was most likely seeing and recounting a probable future, and was told or interpreted in a manner most helpful to the audience he was going to reach out to.   There is also the problem and question of misinterpretation and skewing of such fast vibratory info downloads.   Besides the very issue of language, there is also the ever present factor of interpreter overlay and skewing which is so common.

  For example, some of his info contradicts McKnights info and the info we (Becky & i) have received about probable future time lines. 

  Both above sources indicate that for about 700 years or so, though not immediately right after the collapse, we will be involved with technology like anti gravity craft, advanced space stations, etc. before we start to drop all technology and become totally intune with all consciousness and become the "H Plus" humans that Monroe saw for some point around the 3500 or so mark.

  Yet, Storm saw us living like the Native Americans, but a even more spiritualized version, soon and long after the collapse and didn't see advanced, E.T. like, technology being involved with our near and further future. 

Whose right? Two similar sources, or one different?   Did Storm perceive everything 100 percent correctly?   Does any source that we know of out there do that?

  The only way truly around this issue (interpreter overlay skewing info received), imo so far, is to become a pure channel and living expression of PUL to the nth degree, and merge your consciousness with the All.  But even then, when communicating with words, language acts as a barrier and skewing agent. 
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  On the other hand I have received two messages that made the point that abductions have been done by unfriendly aliens. One said most. If what I received represents the truth, then it is hard to see how numerous Grey related abductions that serve a positive purpose fit in.


  No doubt with the first message.  Now isn't the 2nd message curious when it said that "most" abductions are done by negative E.T.'s?

  When, where, and who are the exceptions? 

  Again, you are assuming, and lumping all Greys into the same category with comments like the above.  Brown clearly and repeatedly saw that this was not the case with these time travelers.  That different groups from different times were interacting with humans.  Clearly he saw that some Grey groups were more spiritually evolved than others. 

Is it possible that some Grey groups, say further past ones, do more abductions with humans than say the latter, more evolved groups? 

  Is it possible that some supposedly "Grey" abductions were not performed by Greys to begin with, but people were given false memories by either the Reptilians or even the U.S. government?

Btw, not mentioned yet is that when it comes to abductions, a number of people have reported that abductions are not just being done by E.T.'s, but also by factions of black op government groups. 

  It is also commonly reported that like the Reptilians, the human groups doing abductions try to wipe out, manipulate, and/or generally alter a person's memory. In a number of cases through deep and intensive hypnotherapy, it's been reported that a supposedly "E.T. abduction" was actually done by a human group, but the human group tried to implant a false memory/perception about it!

  Boy, doesn't it all become rather complex and twisted with all these various factors and factions involved in "abductions"??!!

   So, let's not automatically assume that all "Grey abductions" were actually done by Greys, or that all Grey groups are created equal and all doing the same amount and type of abductions. 

Perhaps, perhaps, and this relates to your 2nd message, it's possible that some of the abductions that don't fit in the "most" involving "negative" E.T.'s, are done by a well intentioned, latter more evolved Grey group(s)?

  Could the occasional abductions, by the latter, more evolved Grey groups be the exception to the rule you got a message about? 

  What other group would that apply to? 


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Reply #18 - May 24th, 2011 at 2:21am
 
  Relating to the above post re: the influence of the U.S. government in the whole E.T. phenomena, one of Becky's dreams involving contact with positive E.T.s that came and asked her if she wanted to go with them to be trained (note, not forced, but asked)...

That she also saw triangular anti-gravity type craft flying over when the positive E.T.'s were in her house talking to her. 

She knew that the triangular craft was not from a positive source, and that's part of the reason why she was briefly initially suspicious of the E.T.'s in her home.  She wondered if they were connected to the black, triangular craft, but she soon lost her suspicion of them as she interacted with them and felt their love in general and towards her. 

  Later on, both of us got messages that these black triangular craft were not E.T. at all, but connected to super secret, U.S. black op technology. 

   I mention these messages because it relates to my earlier points of how involved certain aspects of the US government are with the whole E.T. phenomena. 

  Becky's dream implies that they had some awareness or knowledge that E.T's were in the area and they were patrolling and trying to look for them and their craft. 

  Some sources, even Brown's work, suggest that factions of the U.S. government is in cahoots with the Reptilian group in that we were (and/or are) being tricked by them promising us advanced technology in return for access to underground military installations, access to human subjects within these, help in covering up their existence and agenda, etc.

  Brown mentions in his 2nd book that while the Reptilians promised us advanced technology for the gov.'s help and silence or active deception, that this E.T. group was in reality giving them partially faulty or inadequate technology so that it couldn't be turned on them. 

  If factions of the US gov. would murder some 3000 people in a staged hoax (9/11), blame it on foreigners who we were told were attacking us, all for greed, corruptness, financial gain, impetus to wars, etc. i would not be surprised at all by the possibility that these same types might sell us out to a group of E.T.'s because of the promise of very advanced technology and weaponry.

  I know this will seem really 'out there' to some, but ask yourself what if it is true?  What are the implications for this especially since so many sources from many abductees to psychic sources indicate that the Reptilian group has some pretty negative intentions towards us as a race.

Knowing (awareness of) if not half, is least partially part of the battle.  At least so we don't become manipulated in our beliefs and perceptions. 

The more clear and accurate our beliefs and perceptions, the more we can free ourselves from false and limiting beliefs, then the more we can free others. 

   Or as said so well and long ago by The Teacher, the truth will help to set you free.
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Reply #19 - May 24th, 2011 at 4:42pm
 
Justin:

Before this thread started I had already thought about most of the things you said. Nevertheless,  I need to receive information on my own before I conclude according to what Courtney Brown has written. I'd rather not know than rely on what somebody else has written.

Regarding this world changing for the better, yes, much isn't written in stone. On the other hand, I believe there are beings who have a pretty good idea of what direction this world is headed. They understand the manner in which souls are progressing and how they'll affect change.

Therefore, I'm inclined to believe what numerous people have said about a positive future, rather than the need for an M-planet for humans to be transported to (as Courtney wrote).


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Reply #20 - May 24th, 2011 at 5:48pm
 
Hi

have you all heard of that new book on"Area 51: ..."?  That author says that the ETs found at Roswell were surgically altered adoescents from Russia, sent into space at Stalin's orders by Joseph Mengel in order to scare US citizens who had been so scared by Orson Welles/ radio broadcast.  (Whew, got it all into one sentence!  i didn't want to say too much  Wink  )

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Reply #21 - May 24th, 2011 at 5:51pm
 
Hi,

Oh, my point was going to be something that I think it was Justin said recently--
that even evil events will be turned by the Ultimate Good for the ultimate good.  And the US responded to Roswell with increased curiosity and development in outer space and afterlife entities!  Smiley
Pretty neat, eh?

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Reply #22 - May 24th, 2011 at 7:27pm
 
recoverer wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 4:42pm:
Justin:

Before this thread started I had already thought about most of the things you said. Nevertheless,  I need to receive information on my own before I conclude according to what Courtney Brown has written. I'd rather not know than rely on what somebody else has written.

Regarding this world changing for the better, yes, much isn't written in stone. On the other hand, I believe there are beings who have a pretty good idea of what direction this world is headed. They understand the manner in which souls are progressing and how they'll affect change.

Therefore, I'm inclined to believe what numerous people have said about a positive future, rather than the need for an M-planet for humans to be transported to (as Courtney wrote).




  I've also have already considered many things that you have said previously.  It's good that you don't automatically accept Brown's version of things.  I don't, and not all of his info rings completely true to me. 

   Definitely it's important to go within and get messages and base beliefs more on that.   Yet, you have shared a number of outer sources here to bolster your perceptions.

  I'm just saying, that for me, the jury isn't out on the Greys and being completely black and white and assigning a one dimensional label of "negative" or "positive" to them.  By far, Brown is not the only source which has spoken positively, or in a more complex, balanced way about this group.

   My sense, time and time again, is that it's more complex and relative than a simple, black and white label of "negative" or "positive".  I don't apply such extremist labels to the huge majority of other humans, because it doesn't work that way.  Most people are a mix of positive and negative.

  What Brown originally described was a time of extreme challenge and because of that, a migration to another Planet.  This was in 94'. 

As i've mentioned, in his latter book he talks again about the future, and he doesn't talk about this earlier possibility.   He sees a possible future of the Earth which is quite positive.  However, he also sees a possible future which because of the influence of the Reptilians etc., which is much more bleak. 

  I figure we all have a part to play in this drama, and some more so than others. 

  I've also been shown possible or probable futures wherein humanity, or what's left of it, really gets its stuff together spiritually and everyone experiences a lot more happiness in a collective way.  But i always also have seen us going through a lot of challenge and am aware that a lot of people transition from physical to nonphysical (in the usual way) during those times.
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Reply #23 - May 24th, 2011 at 7:34pm
 
betson wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 5:48pm:
Hi

have you all heard of that new book on"Area 51: ..."?  That author says that the ETs found at Roswell were surgically altered adoescents from Russia, sent into space at Stalin's orders by Joseph Mengel in order to scare US citizens who had been so scared by Orson Welles/ radio broadcast.  (Whew, got it all into one sentence!  i didn't want to say too much  Wink  )

Bets


  I have not read the book, but i'm aware of it.  I don't know what happened or didn't at Roswell. 

  However, i always consider the source of information.  The author who wrote that book has a right wing, sensationalistic past.

She wrote an article in a paper about a group of Middle Eastern men and without any evidence whatsoever, but just rumour and rumour of rumours, accused them of being terrorists. 

  Turns out they were a band of musicians and definitely not terrorists.  In other words, she does not strike me as a serious journalist who checks out all her sources and facts before coming to conclusions and publicising them. 

  So yes, i always consider the source before i really consider the information.   There are also a lot of blatant holes in her story about Roswell.  Check out Lucy's link in the "Off topic section" to see some of the incisive comments discriminating her work.  Doesn't seem she researched the topic too thoroughly in a holistic way.
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Reply #24 - May 25th, 2011 at 12:10pm
 
Some recent thoughts i had in relation to this topic.  When thinking about a conscious, freewilled group or Being, and thinking about them in terms of "negative" or "positive", we have to really understand what these terms mean and question to what degree is a group or individual Being "negative" or "positive".

   I've gotten information that some E.T. groups involved with Earth are so spiritually mature and attuned to Source Consciousness, that we could say that they are purely, or almost purely, "positive" in nature. 

  If you read "Cosmic Journeys" by Rosiland A. McKnight, you will see that she interacts a couple of times with an E.T. group very much like this.  She understood on a knowing level that these were very fast vibratory and expanded consciousnesses--particularly the "leader" type she interacted with who appeared as a tall, androgynous Being and who was very wise and spiritually developed.

  It's interesting to note that when Rosiland's Guidance was addressing a group that does abductions and implants people, her guidance still said that this group was more evolved as a collective, than was humanity.   Apparently some forget this part of her work conveniently. 

   This is interesting if it applies to the "Greys", because my intuition has been that while they are not spiritually evolved and fully positive like some E.T. groups interacting with the Earth (like the group Rosie described), they are still more evolved as a group than humanity. 

  In other words, much like humanity at least in this one respect, they have both positive and negative elements within them.   A better way to put it, is that they are not as spiritually evolved as the more purely positive and Source attuned E.T. groups that are involved with us.  The group Rosie described and which interacts with us, seemed like Earth's caretakers and seemed involved with seeding and/or monitoring life in many parts of the Universe.  In fact, we are told that they don't even originate from this Galaxy. 

  So, i for one, am very hesitant to assign one dimensional, black and white labels of either just "negative" or "positive" to the Greys or most E.T. groups involved with us now.    It's clear to me, and always has been since i've pondered this issue, that the Greys still need to spiritually evolve more before we could call them more purely positive.  Hence they have "negative" elements within them.

   Even with the Reptilians, if Brown's work is considered, then the issue is more complex.   In Brown's work, he and other Remote Viewers perceive that the Reptilian group that is now interacting with us in a destructive way is actually a renegade faction or subset group of a larger race.   Surprisingly, most of the rest of the race is less hostile and aggressive.  When they tuned into some of the individuals from the other factions or groups of the Reptilians, they picked up strong spiritual flavors and feelings.

  It seems like unlike with the Greys, this group is more similar to humans and humanity in that there is a greater measure of independence of individuals within this Race, and that some factions are more negative or positive than others.  Isn't this just like humans? 

  If an outside group was to judge humanity based on observing only the Nazis, Stalin's group, or in the more present time the Bush Admin., no doubt this outside group would be like, "wow, these Beings known as humans are extremely negative and destructive!"   
Yet, we know that this doesn't apply to all of us.  We are somewhat destructive and lack PUL attunement as a whole or collective, but our "leaders" etc. often have a strong influence on our societies and oft times these are much more negative than many of the individuals in a society.  In humanity in particular it seems that more destructive types tend to be more attracted to and gravitate to positions of power and influence. 

  Now the Greys are very different.  Many, many, many sources which talk about them, mention that they are a fully telepathic and connected Race, to the extent where they lack both individuality and a ability to feel in an emotional sense, in a limiting way. 

  Don't they sound a lot like the group that Bruce interacted with in these respect?  Also, while Bruce doesn't specifically mention "Greys" in connection with this group, i seem to remember that at another part of his work he mentions seeing E.T. faces which resembled the Greys.  I may be wrong about this though. 

   What's interesting to me in relation to the above is that when Courtney Brown Remote Viewed the future Greys, in a target about "God", he saw that they had become pure Light Beings, an entire race of Beings all like Jesus!   

  Hmmm, and when Bruce and his TMI group helped the Gathering group to feel love and a greater sense of individuality...  what happened?   PUL and the feeling experience of same, helped to transform them into rather powerfully PUL channelling and generating Beings, and in a very collective sense. 

  What's possibly missing from Bruce's account is a much longer history or back story.   This is where (and i just got a flash pinpoint of White Light when i started to think and write this) the genetic program of the Greys and their mixing their DNA with ours to create hybrid Beings comes into play. 

  Say theoretically that Bruce was interacting with the Grey-Human hybrid members of this fully telepathic race (in such a case, they would not appear as very "Grey" like in a physical sense, would they?).  Say they were more equipped, with their partial human genetics, to experience the pleasurable feelings of PUL and a greater sense of individuality...

  Perhaps, the combo of their genetic program, and their experiences with people like Bruce Moen, is what leads to the future Greys that Brown Remote Viewed when his target was "God"?   Pure Light Beings fully aware of and intune with the Source Consciousness.  I don't think it is a mistake or "accident" that i saw this pinpoint flash of White Light when i started to think and write this down.  I sometimes get this as a confirmation sign from Guidance that the info presented is expanded truth.  The future Greys that Brown saw the probability of, and the now PUL transformed Gathering group that Bruce and his TMI partners worked with, sound pretty similar in their now intense attunement to PUL.  Both groups were originally 1. extremely collective and lack individuality, and 2. both groups were extremely non in touch with an emotional or feeling way of perceiving.

  (in any case, we may still have past, less evolved Grey groups still interacting with humanity). 
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Reply #25 - May 25th, 2011 at 12:32pm
 
How do we know that Greys at all are based on DNA or carbon?
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Reply #26 - May 25th, 2011 at 12:42pm
 
PauliEffectt wrote on May 25th, 2011 at 12:32pm:
How do we know that Greys at all are based on DNA or carbon?



  Well, until we get a tissue sample, i guess we will have to rely on our own inner guidance, and/or looking at a wide cross section of other people's experience. 

  Many abductees, both male and female, have reported experiences with Grey-Human hybrids.  In many cases, they are asked to hold a baby which is hybrid in nature.   In many of those cases, the humans involved are very aware that the baby is a part of them, e.g. that the baby, young child (sometimes teens), actually contains some of their genetic material. 

As far as guidance goes, one can get guidance in many different ways.  One doesn't necessarily have to sit or lie down, meditate, receive images, etc.  If one has made a practice enough of the above in other lives and/or in this life, then one becomes more automatically intuitive in a knowing way.

I just earlier experienced a confirmation from Guidance when i saw the pinpoint flash of bright White Light while thinking about and writing down this information.  I've had this experience before when either reading or writing something which felt very true on an intuitive inner level.  (it's most common with spiritual, consciousness, or Earth change issues or information).
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Reply #27 - May 25th, 2011 at 12:59pm
 
  Relating to Paulieffect's earlier questions and my answer, here is a link to a video of Dr. John Mack appearing on the Oprah Show, with some of his former patients.

  One of his patients talks about holding a Grey-Human hybrid baby, and he knew on a deep level that the baby was a part of him (had his genetics in him).  He had had experiences in the past wherein the Greys took samples of his sperm. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-ufuNtpQd0   

  I don't remember if it's in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd part. 
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Reply #28 - May 25th, 2011 at 1:35pm
 
Quick update:  The part of the abductee talking about holding a Grey-Human hybrid baby starts at about 7:27 during the 3rd part of the recording of the Oprah Show.
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Reply #29 - May 25th, 2011 at 5:25pm
 
I figure there are two possibilities as to why Greys abduct people and breed hybrids.

1. Their consciousness will transmigrate from their Grey bodies to the hybrid bodies. They'll use the hybrid bodies with the thought of taking over this world. Kay Wilson had an experience where she saw a transmigration take place. The body of an old Grey died and its consciousness entered the body of a young hybrid. Kay said there were two conscious beings within one body at the same time. I don't know if she misunderstood what took place with this double occupancy.

2. The same as the above with no thought of overtaking this world.

I meditated a bit and asked what version is true. I felt love, peace and expansiveness as I did so. Nevertheless, I didn't receive a noticeable answer.

Afterwards I thought that if I was a part of a race of beings that made mistakes and evolved in a bad way, I wouldn't expect another race to go through what abductees go through in order to correct my mistakes.

Couldn't the souls of Greys just simply incarnate into human bodies or another suitable vehicle if they want to experience human like emotions? If other souls have a first time when they have a human-like experience, then why can't Greys also have such a first time without having to create hybrid bodies?

I also wonder why abductions take place in negative ways. If Greys are in fact working with beings with divine intent, why don't those beings make it so Greys abduct people in a way that isn't so negative? For example, why do people have to experience physical pain during abductions. Abductees have said that Greys will use very painful procedures without some form of pain killer.

I need to clarify this, some abductees explain their experiences in a way which suggests that Greys have no sensitivity at all, while some say that Greys will in some way ask an abductee what can be done so the abductee won't be afraid.

Addressing something Justin said, there are times when I refer to what various sources say. I tend to do so after I had experiences that correspond with what such sources say.  For example, Jesus, Disk, unfriendly alien and earth change experiences (and messages). Therefore, until I personally receive information that shows that Greys don't have bad intent, I won't assume that they don't.
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