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Can discarnates do retrievals? (Read 2065 times)
PauliEffectt
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Can discarnates do retrievals?
May 13th, 2011 at 6:20pm
 
It seems unlikely, but after having gotten some impression of Usama bin Laden, it made start thinking and I arrived at a question.

The image that follows me is Usama bin Laden pulling a wounded man into a building. Perhaps it was a new arrival, killed by a U.S military Global Hawk or by one of his own people in a suicide bombing?

Is it possible for people in a BST (I assume a Hollow Heaven), to go to F 23 and do a retrieval, back to their BST? Or go to a BST Hell and retrieve someone to their Hollow Heaven?
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Reply #1 - May 13th, 2011 at 9:21pm
 
Hi,

It's a good question.  You continually broaden our experiences with retrievals, so this could be another such case.

However, what you saw needn't be a true retrieval.  You might have seen bin Laden doing a heroic gesture because he believes he is heroic. Maybe you saw his imagination working in a BST /FL23. Residents of BSTs are caught in their own limited views of their realities.

What feeling did the scene give to you?  Did you sense an emanation of PUL?  That would be one indication that bin Laden was involved in a true  retrieval.

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Reply #2 - May 14th, 2011 at 2:54am
 
I felt that the wounded man was severely wounded, which puzzled me as I thought that kind of feeling (being wounded) would be gone once you enter a BST Hollow Heaven, because everything would be fine there.

I also felt that either the wounded man alone, or perhaps the wounded man and someone else (someone helping him?) thought (or took part in the wounded man's fear, or played with him) whoever hurt him was nearby. At the same time I was pretty sure no "attacker" at all was present and that the feeling of an "attacker" nearby was an illusion.

The feeling that it could be possible that one of the helpers was pretending that they moved the wounded man away from a non-existent "attacker", gave raise to my question.

My best guess is that the wounded man was a new arrival, killed somewhere on Earth recently. Now a contradiction to me appears. If he still thought he was wounded he would be in F 23 (right?). But the appearence of the two Helpers (one looking like Usama), and the feeling that the Helpers - were discarnates of their own, lead me to believe that the wounded man had arrived in his favorite BST system, but still feeling severely wounded by some reason, which seems to be a contradiction.

That's why I wondered if the help to the wounded man in fact could have been a retrieval?

At the same time I also have doubts about what I saw. It could be my mind playing tricks to me or my Interpreter performing poorly, as the scenes constantly shifted. There were more contradictions.

For example:

I got the feeling that the man was shoot in the chest and the stomach by a soldier with top-modern equipment, possible an American or ISAF soldier. But that would mean the wounded man most likely was a taliban. At the same time, I doubt a taliban would wear such white clothes on a battlefield, as he would be an easy target. Also, I would expect a taliban to carry some equipment of his own, but the wounded man looked like he was completely empty handed.

So my Interpreter started working and I remembered that a large number of Pakistanis had been killed by a suicide bomber the days after the execution of bin Laden. Still, I couldn't understand why I thought the wounded man appeared shot, instead of being hit by shrapnel.

My Interpreter also noticed that he looked like the regular village inhabitant, like the ones seen in the Danish documentary Amadrillo. That opened up the possibility that he had been killed by a U.S. drone, controlled by a soldier with "top-modern-equipment". There are numerous reports of civilians being killed by drones in those small villages, where talibans pass through and get blown to pieces. But that contradicts the feeling of gun shot wounds.

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I didn't get the impression of PUL specifically, I more got the feeling that the two persons pulling the wounded man into the building just wanted to help him, like a humanitary act, helping someone in trouble.

Also as a side note: The young man standing and facing the low sun was somehow related to bin Laden (see link in thread start). The young man's face looked like he only was half-Arabic, like he had had a European mother and an Arabic father.
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Reply #3 - May 15th, 2011 at 6:03am
 
I found this post from Ginny in the archives, where a man is moved from a BST Hell (F 24 or F 25?), to a BST Hollow Heaven (F 25?).

http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=44832999/177#177

Could it be that the wounded-man-event was initiated by Helpers from F 27, but the actual retrieval was performed by F 25 discarnates, under some kind of invisible supervision of F 27 guides?

This would mean that it's enough that discarantes are attuned in (religious?) belief to each other for a retrieval to be possible between Focuses. Or within the same Focus Level, from a Hell to a Hollow Heaven?

I also guess that the existence of such kinds of discarnates-retrievals would mean that "incarnate energy" can be utilized in a more effective way at other places, where BST (Hollow Heaven) discarnates can't reach F 23 or BST Hells.

Just guessing. Smiley
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